why Creationism is farcical and Evolution is a meritable Scientific Concept

[khushal]

the problem is that muslims see science and technology as "secular sciences" and don't realize that mastering and observing the laws of god is/should be a religious obligation.

Its people with Kaish's mentality that preach this. It is in his interest to preach such foolishness because it keeps him on top of the "pyramid" in the society.

[ScimitarXEdge]

see, this is where your brainwashing really kicks in. this is you mimicking your teacher like a robot. earth air fire and water..lovely that'll do for us ignorant primitives. quite like the ozzie aboriginal 'rainbow serpent' creator too..colour and energy stick to your books and the indoctrination, oh hardwired one. another perfect robot along the lines of mdresden, coming up.

You want to talk about brainwashing, Earth, Water and Air, aren't even "elements"; and Fire isn't composed of anything (elemental) it is simply what occurs when energy is released from molecular bonds (although perhaps you can argue subatomic photons here, but still no elements). Sure perhaps people speak of these as elements; but your attitude that they're somehow fundamental is example of how you're merely mimicking the ignorance of your teachers.

I'm sure you'll respond otherwise but that's mainly because you've been on this constant bid to save face.

I think what you fail to remember is this stuff has been verified by experiments and TESTED. not some gobbly goop of stories.

I have no problem with primitivity, In fact ultimately that is the ultimate ends of humanity to return to a more basic, purified life, this is even Islam's theory. But ignorance and the wisdom of primitive life cannot be in the same category; you are simply the peddler of ignorance.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I have warned you clowns enough, if you want to add things up to Islam go on ahead. You clowns have done nothing but feed your own egos.

Evolution was brought in the 18th Century by Lamarck, and Darwin. If it suites your ego, and bring in A-Rab as the founder then good for you. That man, including you clownes are only born "Muslim", but are not believers.

The only slave is, people who suck up to his white mans Philosophy.

Soon you losers, will deny god's existence. I'm sure "Scientific Evidence" will proof their is no god. Like Hawkings did, but you ignored that. If an A rab comes with it, your clown asses will believe him.

Slaves of Dajjal.

I EVEN SHOWED YOU AL JAHIZ, a MUSLIM Zoologist figured out the idea of Evolution CENTURIES before Darwin.

You're merely spreading propaganda to perpetuate ignorance; the fact you IGNORE such information and keep spreading LIES: blatant falsehood is what defines a Servant of Dajjal

Dajjal is a deceiver right? Well that's what you're doing, deceiving others of what really happened by perpetuating this falsehood.

[ScimitarXEdge]

the problem is that muslims see science and technology as "secular sciences" and don't realize that mastering and observing the laws of god is/should be a religious obligation.

Our Prophet (saw) said seek Knowledge even if you have to go to China "istalab 'ilmun idha tasfarouna li sin"

and these individuals just want to keep us weak and at the kufar's submission

notice Faye ...the White Australian is involved now ...that is not a coincidence.

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What should be done is combine the teachings of the Quran and the study of Science and Mathematics similar to the time of the "Golden Age" of Islam, both were implemented together for the betterment of humanity, but the west has implemented the latter for selfish reasons and has no moral ground to stand on. They are morally corrupt using Science and Mathematics for the destruction of humanity.

One of the reasons that the Muslim Societies are behind is because people like Kaish have interests to hold the societies back because people like him prosper materially and politically. Instead of enlightening their society with knowledge of the Quran, they keep them ignorantly enslaved by teaching them superstition and black magic which is Shirk.
The English and the French have figured it out by duplicating their own societies as it was during their dark ages where the belief in superstition and black magic flourished and put those foolish ideas in the Muslim World.

Exactly the only reason the west was able to prosper is because of what they learned from ISLAMIC SOCIETy

It is unbelievable that people like Kaisha have been sooo brainwashed that they think THEIR OWN heritage is the product of Kufar, when it is the other way around.

[کیش]

I apologize, my debate and comparison is to much for Wordly slaves. So you couldn't understand what I was saying.

You scientific fools, I hope your wordly knowledge of Evolution gets stronger. The stronger your faith in Evolution, will lead you to question god's existence. That will make you easy prey for Dajjal.

Me and you people are not the same. Enjoy Dajjals kingdom, you will be the bests of people in this world. Right know, you can't even imagine, Dajjals power. So study more modern science, so you can help Dajjal kill the believers.

None of you will accept Isa, when he returns. You will not help the Revival of the believers.

I'm done. No more warnings. I have only been brainwashed by god, and his messengers. I do not attend sermons, I do not listen to sheiks, I do not belong to any sects. My knowledge comes from the All-Mighty lord.

[khushal]

Exactly the only reason the west was able to prosper is because of what they learned from ISLAMIC SOCIETy

It is unbelievable that people like Kaisha have been sooo brainwashed that they think THEIR OWN heritage is the product of Kufar, when it is the other way around.

The brainwashing is on both sides. The kufar society have been brainwashed to believe that Science and Mathematics are their heritage. High Schools in the west don't teach kids about the Golden Age of the Islamic Society. They only teach them about the Renaissance era in Europe and that it was the era where man kind first innovated Science and Mathematics to get its own society to accept these studies. If they teach their children about Al Jahiz, Avicenna, Al Kindi, Al Farabi, it is possible that those children would shun Science and Mathematics much like this idiot Kaish has.

Kaish, you idiot, you must realize that the Renaissance era in Europe was a direct product of the Golden Age of the Islamic Society.

[faye]

You want to talk about brainwashing, Earth, Water and Air, aren't even "elements"; and Fire isn't composed of anything (elemental) it is simply what occurs when energy is released from molecular bonds (although perhaps you can argue subatomic photons here, but still no elements). Sure perhaps people speak of these as elements; but your attitude that they're somehow fundamental is example of how you're merely mimicking the ignorance of your teachers.

I'm sure you'll respond otherwise but that's mainly because you've been on this constant bid to save face.

I think what you fail to remember is this stuff has been verified by experiments and TESTED. not some gobbly goop of stories.

I have no problem with primitivity, In fact ultimately that is the ultimate ends of humanity to return to a more basic, purified life, this is even Islam's theory. But ignorance and the wisdom of primitive life cannot be in the same category; you are simply the peddler of ignorance.

tell someone that caresmr TESTED.

[Alchemist]

The Nabi (saw) only said Adam (as) was 60 Cubuts Tall, IN JANNAH, keyword, so this height isn't a "real height" but supernatural reference. Therefore it has nothing to do with our physical reality. Which is what science is focused on.

I do preach this; I tell Muslims we need to stop being blind and backwards and depend on kufar, we need to develop science for ourselves too. But science is nature.

You're just so stubborn in your jahalat.

I even proved the evolution idea existed with Muslims over 1000 years ago and you're still stubborn and ignorant.

lol


jannah is some metaphysical unreal and untangible "nothingness" to you ...even though it is described as a garden with rivers and living organisms. You make religious facts appear more abstract in order to make your evolutionary delusions more real.

The exact arabic word for 90 "cubits" is in reference to the length of one's hand - from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger...so his reference of Adam was to himself. And what about the reference where Allah speaks directly to Adam, teaching him, talking to him and the narration of Ibliss speaking to him and the angels prostrating to him ...all "allegorical". You make a mockery of the Qur'an by comparing it's reading to the reading of greek mythologies...or worse, another Zeitgeist religion that has passed it's time and now must be molded to the premise of the new religion - Evolution.

science is just a description of nature based on researched evidence oh ignorant one. And yes there is plenty of evidence that Evolution is real; look at genetic data which shows genetic codings existing in humans from ancestral species. Doh guess you weren't think of that eh?

Absolute Bull****.

We already looked at the genetic coding. You are the stupid and arrogant one doesn't want to look at it...did you read the article that I posted earlier? Of course not....all foam.

Your answer is wrong; there are tests done on the gene sequences of humans and apes and finding that apes and humans share gene sequences, we have gene codings for things like tails, this wouldn't exist if we didn't evolve from them.

No Evolution is a theory of nature; the white man didn't invent evolution; evolution was there apart of nature long before humans realized it.

Also Muslims knew about evolutions before whites did, Look uip Al Jahiz and Evolution; he is one of the first thinkers to propose evolution.


do some reading instead of being brainwashed by ignorance, God is against ignorance.


Chimps, Humans 96 Percent the Same, Gene Study Finds

I already disproved that link ...Why do you keep posting it over and over.

Why are you so stubborn and bullheaded? Even though I showed you the program assumes the phylogenetic tree first and then looks for matches in the sequence coding based on the assumption that matching SHOULD be there. It's rigged son. Why don't you understand. Why are you so stupid?

LOL

Can't teach an old dog new tricks eh?


And we already went through this you moron.

Al Jahiz was never a proponet of Evolution...he never made the claim that one species changes into another species. I should you how the quote that is on wikipedia is based on a faulty paraphrasing done in another author's article ...and no such line actually exists in the arabic manual ...which isn't even complete.


You keep rehashing old arguments over and over. It's like nothing get's through to your thick skull despite the evidence thrown at your face.

How can you be such a numb skull?

This is what really bothers me about you ...that even after you are proven wrong you weasel out your way and stick to your mugged rhetoric. You are fool who refuses to admit fault and revise his misconceptions. Grow up. Show some character.

Kaish, you speak from ignorance without any knowledge of basis; have you actually read or researched the evidence regarding evolution????

You make a claim assuming it is true when THE world around you shows the evidence exists.

Your problem is fear, fear of reality and this fear is how Iblis manipulates your brain

for you again; this is EVIDENCE we evolved

Chimps, Humans 96 Percent the Same, Gene Study Finds

You think like the Christians do.

You are literally retarded.

You keep saying the same thing over and over "If you don't believe in evolution - you are uneducated and a christain" like WTF. Seriously?
Is that why you won't abandoned this delusional and fallacious belief system? Because you want to be considered educated? You are shallow. Just pomp. You are not interested in the Truth. You are in school just to boost your ego. Which is pathetic and sad.

A.) doesn't list the base pairings comparatively

B.) has no reference that supports your statement

C.) Article deals with the fallacy of Mitochrondrial Eve in contrast to Y-Chromosomal Adam, not that human gene sequences don't share relationships; and it doesn't say that those sequences are older than chimps


again an example of how you cite evidence which says something contrary to your claims.

Perhaps you should reread it again?


Nice try trying to scapegoat actually having to give a sound scientific explanation

I know your weaknesses in this area and I play on them.

WOW

You are such a dumbass.

Either that...


or you are a lying ****bag.

Right on the top corner of the FIRST page...there is figure 1 staring you right in the face.

COMPARISON:




WOW


This is exactly what happened last time.

I photocopied pages right out of the MANUAL. I even showed you the Formula used in the program and how it calibrated for the range based on the tree itself (A PRIORI). And now what do you say? You say I never did that. You go into denial


Are you really that stupid?

Do you want me to read the figure for you ...OK ShiitXedge.

The long rectangle box is the sequence of human DRP1 gene and chimpanzee.... the lines mean differences. More lines means More difference. Can you think of the rest?

You idiot!

You pathetic stupid monkey!


I have lost total respect for you ... I already had lost respect for you ....


but now ... ur just a lying ****bag who is here to just put on a show for his own ego. Get real!

and stfu.

[Alchemist]

"Not to stir any animosity...but I am going to do what mountain goat did because I have nothing better to do so I will repeat my tired old fallacious argument 50 more times and go into straight up denial then prove my self correct by showing that religious people are farcical and I am a wannabe scientist...because my skull is thick"

You are a real piece of work buddy ...

Everyone said on AF that something was off about you ... but I wanted to believe otherwise ...made excuses for you... no expectations no disappointments. My own fault.


Yeah...ur too predictable. I know what ur next argument will be even. Lame
I am done here.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I'm done. No more warnings. I have only been brainwashed by god, and his messengers. I do not attend sermons, I do not listen to sheiks, I do not belong to any sects. My knowledge comes from the All-Mighty lord

and you claim to receive revelations from Allah(swt) and then you're saying others are fooled by Dajjal

ooook

[Alchemist]

^ pathetic response

considering you are the one who says he doesn't need any Alim or even a Prophet to tell him what Allah reveals because you receive it from Nature.

[ScimitarXEdge]

lol


jannah is some metaphysical unreal and untangible "nothingness" to you ...even though it is described as a garden with rivers and living organisms. You make religious facts appear more abstract in order to make your evolutionary delusions more real.

The exact arabic word for 90 "cubits" is in reference to the length of one's hand - from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger...so his reference of Adam was to himself. And what about the reference where Allah speaks directly to Adam, teaching him, talking to him and the narration of Ibliss speaking to him and the angels prostrating to him ...all "allegorical". You make a mockery of the Qur'an by comparing it's reading to the reading of greek mythologies...or worse, another Zeitgeist religion that has passed it's time and now must be molded to the premise of the new religion - Evolution.

ORGANISMS grow and decay; the creatures in jannah do not, thus cannot be organisms. You're merely interpolating your own ignorance; doing precisely what you accuse others of. You're trying to fit Islam to cater to your fear of Knowledge and Fear of Truth, because knowledge and truth are responsibilities; one which your pedophilic boy raping charlatans who hide under the guise of religion try to avoid so they can carry on in their intellectual laziness and lack of real solutions for real world problems. It is just cowardice

But allow me to demonstrate that Muhammad(saw) by his own admission speaks about Jannah in metaphoric language.

Sahih Al-Bukhari 5.227
So when I went (over the seventh heaven), there I saw Abraham. Gabriel said (to me), 'This is your father; pay your greetings to him.' So I greeted him and he returned the greetings to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious son and pious Prophet.' Then I was made to ascend to Sidrat-ul-Muntaha (i.e. the Lote Tree of the utmost boundary) Behold! Its fruits were like the jars of Hajr (i.e. a place near Medina) and its leaves were as big as the ears of elephants. Gabriel said, 'This is the Lote Tree of the utmost boundary.' Behold! There ran four rivers; two were hidden and two were visible. I asked, 'What are these two kinds of rivers, O Gabriel?' He replied, 'As for the hidden rivers, they are two rivers in Paradise and the visible rivers are the Nile and the Euphrates.'
Then Al-Bait-ul-Ma'mur (i.e. the Sacred House) was shown to me and a container full of wine and another full of milk and a third full of honey were brought to me. I took the milk. Gabriel remarked, 'This is the Islamic religion which you and your followers are following.' Then the prayers were enjoined on me: They were fifty prayers a day. When I returned, I passed by Moses who asked (me), 'What have you been ordered to do?' I replied, 'I have been ordered to offer fifty prayers a day.' Moses said, 'Your followers cannot bear fifty prayers a day, and by Allah, I have tested people before you, and I have tried my level best with Bani Israel (in vain). Go back to your Lord and ask for reduction to lessen your followers' burden.' So I went back, and Allah reduced ten prayers for me. Then again I came to Moses, but he repeated the same as he had said before. Then again I went back to Allah and He reduced ten more prayers. When I came back to Moses he said the same, I went back to Allah and He ordered me to observe ten prayers a day. When I came back to Moses, he repeated the same advice, so I went back to Allah and was ordered to observe five prayers a day.

Milk as demonstrated as a representation of Islam; rivers are "hidden" , meaning they are not physical entities. Your ignorance on these matters is only a reflection of blind indoctrinated dogma by people who appointed themselves authorities without qualification. You're merely a slave of their brain's incompetence. Not the true words of God or His Prophet(saw).

Absolute Bull****.

We already looked at the genetic coding. You are the stupid and arrogant one doesn't want to look at it...did you read the article that I posted earlier? Of course not....all foam.

You think by acting histrionically that you can smokescreen and peddle intellectual dishonesty here but my whole quotes are in these but I specifically asked YOU to demonstrate EACH SINGLE BASE PAIRS AND COMPARE THEM. Not some Thumbnail graph. Your Article albeit a nice one which doesn't even support your claim; but rather reaffirms evolution- does not supply that information

Your intellectual laziness and thinking this thumbnail graph in the article suffices for what i requested; only demonstrates further, you're completely unlearned in the subject and are speaking out of blind dogma as usual.

So unless you're going to actually do what I requested; stay hush and tend to selling pork at Subway, the only thing you're qualified for.

I already disproved that link ...Why do you keep posting it over and over.

Really? Show us a research scientific study You have done in a PEER REVIEWED Scientific Publication, which shows you shows you "disproved" the material in the Link. Until you have done that, you have only spewed rhetoric, which in your own mind deluded yourself into believing you disproved something.

What's whacky is that you claim you have disproved evolution yet you refuse to actually take your alleged findings PUBLIC and debating actual researchers with Evidence based data on this. Yet somehow you have disproved the material contained in these links? ...You're only fooling yourself here.

You haven't disproved crap; your arguments demonstrate poor understanding of what's being discussed, which if anything, shows how your arguments lack strength, not disproof of the material you're arguing against.

I'll be waiting for your peer reviewed research....which will probably be never.

Al Jahiz was never a proponet of Evolution...he never made the claim that one species changes into another species. I should you how the quote that is on wikipedia is based on a faulty paraphrasing done in another author's article ...and no such line actually exists in the arabic manual ...which isn't even complete.

You can repeat that jargon all you want; but you're basing your conclusion on some USER EDIT that wikipedia or similar type of Wikipedia-esque websites hold. The article I have presented is from Salaam.co.uk, NOT Wikipedia. You're confusing the USER EDITED comment on a Wiki-site which is unsubstantiated, which rejects the material in the Mehmet Beykir Article. Until then the research by Mehmet Beykir holds. Al-Jahiz did in fact propose evolution; albeit in a more rudimentary understanding.

Deal with it ....

This is what really bothers me about you ...that even after you are proven wrong you weasel out your way and stick to your mugged rhetoric. You are fool who refuses to admit fault and revise his misconceptions. Grow up. Show some character.

Poor understanding and misanalysis of material you site as support of your arguments isn't "proving someone wrong"; it's rather demonstrating you're not competent in discussing these matters. I have demonstrated how most of your "proofs" actually supports Evolution; yet it is you who accuse others of blindly ignoring evidence. The irony? You google search stuff hoping for something that sticks and it bakfires.

You keep saying the same thing over and over "If you don't believe in evolution - you are uneducated and a christain" like WTF. Seriously?

Well gee whiz, kind of hard not to label you christians when your entire argument is basically plagiarization from CHRISTIAN Creationist doctrines. It's funny how you're trying to defend Fat Mullahs who can barely read or write, using a propaganda wing of Christianity to accomplish it.
If that isn't jahalah, nothing is.

Is that why you won't abandoned this delusional and fallacious belief system? Because you want to be considered educated? You are shallow. Just pomp. You are not interested in the Truth. You are in school just to boost your ego. Which is pathetic and sad.

Firstly your rhetoric and commentaries demonstrate your sheer ignorance and lack of knowledge. Evolution is not a belief system. It's not a set of ideas regarding how to behave or what sort of governments we should operate by. It's a description of how life on Earth has branched into different species. Your constant Dogmatic Mantra of "belief system"; only reflects your distortion and propagandizatiion of the issue. The last refuge of the ignorant of course.

When you can actually go public with your claims and show researched data , which is peer reviewed which shows these things false Then we can say this is a fallacious I don't mean trying to lurk out Perceived "inconsistencies" in the Evolution Theory ; which is basically your Lack of Knowledge regarding how these studies are run and what the data represents. Because I have observed the problem isn't that these things show inconsistencies; they show you dont comprehend the material.

WOW

You are such a dumbass.

Either that...


or you are a lying ****bag.

Right on the top corner of the FIRST page...there is figure 1 staring you right in the face.

COMPARISON:






Once again; this Thumbnail graph fails to do what I REQUESTED YOU TO DO; show EACH AND EVERY Nucleotide parings and compare them side by side; and demonstrate HOW this supports your claim.

This thumbnail itself doesn't support your claim. Which was that showing how the differences between two humans demonstrate a divergence greater than that of Chimpanzees. if they don't support your claim or assertion that you haven't sufficiently made a meritable argument.

The end.

You're dismissed.

This is exactly what happened last time.

I photocopied pages right out of the MANUAL.

That's the problem; you Pork Eating fraud Crypto-Christian fraud.

You post stuff which DEBUNKS your argument; they show more or less the OPPOSITE of what you're claiming. Take that thumbnail; they're showing that Humans and Chimpz share DNA. Which in essence pisses all over your dogma.

The long rectangle box is the sequence of human DRP1 gene and chimpanzee.... the lines mean differences. More lines means More difference. Can you think of the rest?

yeah and if you look there aren't THAT many lines of difference; the similarities equate to nearly 98%....

you shoot yourself in the foot once again.

I have lost total respect for you ... I already had lost respect for you ....

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you're a moron; desperate to get back at me; for calling you out as an ignorant dimwit. Look at how you took something I said two months ago and looking for a chance to say it back to me. Wimp. This is not about truth for you, but all a futile attempt to compensate for your wounded ego. I knew you had megalomania when you were on Afghanforums. but I didn't think this was this much of a problem for you.

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tell someone that caresmr TESTED.

haha the expected response for some who gets intellectually defeated.

try not to trip over your tail between your legs Faye.

[Alchemist]

; show EACH AND EVERY Nucleotide parings and compare them side by side; and demonstrate HOW this supports your claim.

BAsically ShiiitXedge is saying that he doesn't believe the word of scientists who have compared EACH AND EVERY nucleotide pairing side by side. This jack ass keeps asking people to jump through his loops as if he is the faroh of this forum ...but the burden of proof for evolution has always been on him.

He is sooo freaking stupid that he can't even make sense of a simple diagram that shows that human genes are more dissimilar than human genes to monkies...which if we follow the logic of, would mean that humans evolved from each other before they evolved from monkeys. Yet all this time this moron keeps telling you guys "look at the genetic markers, they are the holy grail." But the holy grail is flawed because if the method was true then the above proof wouldn't exist...because intuitively you know it doesn't make sense!



Nevermind ShiitXedge...he is a heratic pantheist who has no knowledge of biochemistry. His actual field of study is rocks. Dead, inanimate objects. He thinks he can challenge me by asking me to make comparisons of the nucleotide, because in truth that would be a challenge to himself...

but look how easy it is for me to find the nucleotide sequences off this site:

HLA-DRB1 major histocompatibility complex, class II, DR beta 1 [Homo sapiens] - Gene result
HLA-DRB1 major histocompatibility complex, class II, DR beta 1 [Homo sapiens] - Gene result

list of all alleles:

Nucleotide for Gene (Select 3123) - Nucleotide result

it took me a good half hour just to find HS HLA DRP1 *0302:
Homo sapiens voucher Coriell Cell Repository DNA s... - Nucleotide result
(<99572..>109441) ...not like you know what that means but just so you don't make up more stupid excuses despite my efforts.


but big deal?
We know it is on a peer reviewed journal so it's obviously not a fake since it has been "reviewed by peers". So why should I waste my time for this ass clown SHiitXEdge? Even if I do put the nucleotide side by side for this oaf, he is just going to make more excuses and ask me to jump higher for him. Why bother with this buffoon? I am just letting you know that I can...no problem. I am not like you ****tXEdge. I don't care for your sophistry....you stick to your delusions...because that is all you have but I can't waste my time for you son.


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