why Creationism is farcical and Evolution is a meritable Scientific Concept

[Alchemist]

Ironic how you don't take Allah's word literally, but take Kesh's word literal.

[کیش]

Yes, I am brainwashed by God, through his completed Quran. As well as the saying of the Prophet (PBUH). I am NOT influenced by Dajjal, and his ways.

Off course god is all-Knower, but don't we still have 2 angels by our shoulders who count our deeds? Are ye denying this.

It also seems as I made a error on my last post. The one you bolded, I meant to say:

God created Dajjal, to test humans to see how much deen they have. The weak ones will fail, while the real strong ones will not fall for his tricks (which will be hard, since he is going to be real crafty.)

Do you deny this?
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Yusuf Ali: (Iblis) said: "I am not one to prostrate myself to man, whom Thou didst create from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape."

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Yusuf Ali: (Iblis) said: "O my Lord! because Thou hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on the earth, and I will put them all in the wrong,-

[ScimitarXEdge]

Yes, I am brainwashed by God, through his completed Quran. As well as the saying of the Prophet (PBUH). I am NOT influenced by Dajjal, and his ways.

Off course god is all-Knower, but don't we still have 2 angels by our shoulders who count our deeds? Are ye denying this.

It also seems as I made a error on my last post. The one you bolded, I meant to say:

God created Dajjal, to test humans to see how much deen they have. The weak ones will fail, while the real strong ones will not fall for his tricks (which will be hard, since he is going to be real crafty.)

Do you deny this?
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Yusuf Ali: (Iblis) said: "I am not one to prostrate myself to man, whom Thou didst create from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape."

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Yusuf Ali: (Iblis) said: "O my Lord! because Thou hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on the earth, and I will put them all in the wrong,-

You're brainwashed by interpretations of people who are afraid of science.

[کیش]

What the hell are you saying? Are you saying Yusuf Ali's translation is incorrect, because he is afraid of science? Are you saying Muhammad Muhsin Khan's translation of Bukhari, and Abdul Hamid Siddiques translation of Sahih Muslim are all incorrect as their scared of science?

So you do not belief in the Quran, as you belief Evolution is has more "scientific" evidence. You even going to say that the translation of the Quran is deliberately misstranslated, because of the fear of science.

Habibi Sahib, your the example 15:39

[ScimitarXEdge]

Yusuf Ali did translation and he never claimed his translations have literal concepts, just basic linguistic meanings, you're doing what's called interpretatiion and it's mainly the interpretation of Mullahs who are ignorant of Arabic and reject science who's interpretation you rely on

Evolution DOES have more scientific evidence; they did studies and research and TESTED relationships between genes, it's not just made up interpretations it's observed data.

Your INTERPRETATIONS of the Qur'an, notice I say that and not the Qur'an itself; Qur'an is broad minded, some stuff is literal some stuff isn't. Adam and Eve can't be literal.

[کیش]

Your picking and choosing what parts of the Quran you want to belief. Since you claim Evolution has a more "Scientific" evidence, you are ignoring the verses about Adam and Eve.

Your no different then the 95% of Muslims who pick and choose what part of the Quran they want to belief, and don't want to belief.

Look not believing in Evolution, will not cause me any harm in Akhira. Believing in Evolution, and ignoring Quranic evidence can be a grave-sin.

May god have mercy on your soul. Or god's mercy shouldn't be taken literal?

[ScimitarXEdge]

No I'm going by what is the truth; since Evolution has ACTUAL evidence; this means that Adam and Eve cannot be literal; since Allah(swt) has no actual form, which it says in the Qur'an, this means Allah(swt) does not have hands, but is just using this as a metaphor. Allah(swt) made nature so nature cannot contradict the Qur'an and Qur'an cannot contradict nature. If we believed that means that either God didn't write the Qur'an or God is not the Creator of the Universe. That's partly why the animus against evolution is a flawed premise.

you have to read with your mind, not just blindly read the Qur'an; the Qur'an is deep, very very deep.

Also start respecting Natural Knowledge; if it's there in nature and we have evidence for it, then it would be ignorant to reject it. After all Islam is about seeking the truth.

and you're being extremely foolish I said SOMETHINGS are Literal SOMETHINGS are not; I didn't say everything isn't literal. ...USE YOUR BRAIN instead of being a blind follower of ignorant people.

[کیش]

Somethings are literal, while somethings are not? So you like to pick and choose what is literal? Anything referring to Creationism, should be ignored you say?

So you belief Man, evolved from Apes and not from Adam and Eve. But! God, and His messengers never even mentioned anything like this. Why? How come.

[ScimitarXEdge]

No what's not literal is demonstrated by the nature of the verses, verses which refer to God having hands and eyes, aren't literal because God is not a physical being. Plus hands and eyes are creations of God, and God said "wa lam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad" which indicates these cannot be actual features of God.

God describes Adam and Eve being made by "hands" so this cannot be literal either.

there's no "picking and choosing" it's not random; you have to USE YOUR BRAIN and understand Logically.

Furthermore in Arabic there's mutashabbah and muhakamah, mutashabbah refers to analogies, and they have a certain structure and muhakamah refers to statements and commands, they're very direct no special language is used.

God did mention it, "we created all things from water".

"It is He Who has created man from water: then has He established relationships of lineage and marriage: for thy Lord has power (over all things). (The Noble Quran, 25:54)"

"And God has created every animal from water: of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. God creates what He wills for verily God has power over all things. (The Noble Quran, 24:45)"


so it is because you don't read the Qur'an completely that you think he did not.

[کیش]

The human body is made up of 75% of water. No where did I deny that. god also said man is created by sperm as well.

Let's bring the topic to Adam, do you not belief in Adam literally? Did god create apes first, then they miraculously turned to humans after X amount of years.

I would also like the Minions who Thank you answer this Question; you too Scimitar:

Do you deny Adam being the Father of Humans?

Do you deny ibliss tricking Adam and Eve from eating the apple, from the forbidden tree? Did Ibliss not trick Adam, even after god warned him?

The 2nd Question is asked to see if you belief that Ibliss can decieve you, even when the circumstances (The juicy apple. evolution) appear to make so much sense.

Wouldn't the Prophets of God, mention Evolution? Your saying "it's not their job" while it is. The concept of Evolution is a theory on how animals/organisms transformed. Surely, such a topic if true would have been talked by the Prophet (PBUH).

[ScimitarXEdge]

The human body is made up of 75% of water. No where did I deny that. god also said man is created by sperm as well.

Let's bring the topic to Adam, do you not belief in Adam literally? Did god create apes first, then they miraculously turned to humans after X amount of years.

I would also like the Minions who Thank you answer this Question; you too Scimitar:

Do you deny Adam being the Father of Humans?

Do you deny ibliss tricking Adam and Eve from eating the apple, from the forbidden tree? Did Ibliss not trick Adam, even after god warned him?

The 2nd Question is asked to see if you belief that Ibliss can decieve you, even when the circumstances (The juicy apple. evolution) appear to make so much sense.

Wouldn't the Prophets of God, mention Evolution? Your saying "it's not their job" while it is. The concept of Evolution is a theory on how animals/organisms transformed. Surely, such a topic if true would have been talked by the Prophet (PBUH).

hahhaha that's not what the verse said, the verse isn't saying human body is made of 75% water but that he created man from water. and same with all other beings.

No it's NOT their job, their main job is to teach religion and how to live; but they occassionally left clues sure, but the details is up to us to discover.

Did Prophets mention that when two particles are smashed together they emit radioactive radiation, It is also important, but those details never were never mentioned by Any Prophet.

The word 'ADAM" comes from Arabic roots " Ayn, Daal Meem" which means ground or foundation; so yes in a way Adam is the father, because he was the ground for which humans came to exist; but not in the way you think he way, of course.

What Iblis deceiving Adam and Hawa means is that the consciousness of man was mislead by false impulses and desires; which caused them to go against their human nature. So yes I believe that too, but just not how you understand it.

Your argument is faulty

but Islam mentions evolution; just indirectly, because

a.) Qur'an means "recitation" so Allah(swt) made things recitable for easy memorability.

b.) Qur'an has several layers of meanings in each verse.

c.) Sometimes people need simple stories to understand complex things like evolution, which the human mind doesn't understand without direct evidence.

so there it answers all of your concerns


God didn't make apes miraculously turn into humans, it was gradual over time with genetic changes due to environmental stress and natural selection. But they all came from water, they originated from primordial basis of liquid soup.

And no it's NOT possible for Iblis to deceive people with evolution; because Iblis is not God, and he cannot change God's creation to seem different; we're talking about SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, not just some people making up some random philosophy; we're talking about things which can be TESTED IN LABORATORY experiments.


Please PAY ATTENTION ...instead of looking for a scapegoat .

[کیش]

^^^^

Your advance science is the "religion" of Dajjal. It is "Wordly life", and you will be deceived by him.

The Prophets message was a way to go to Heaven. These other things can lead you to the hell-fire.

[torkham]

The human body is made up of 75% of water. No where did I deny that. god also said man is created by sperm as well.

Let's bring the topic to Adam, do you not belief in Adam literally? Did god create apes first, then they miraculously turned to humans after X amount of years.

I would also like the Minions who Thank you answer this Question; you too Scimitar:

Do you deny Adam being the Father of Humans?

Do you deny ibliss tricking Adam and Eve from eating the apple, from the forbidden tree? Did Ibliss not trick Adam, even after god warned him?

The 2nd Question is asked to see if you belief that Ibliss can decieve you, even when the circumstances (The juicy apple. evolution) appear to make so much sense.

Wouldn't the Prophets of God, mention Evolution? Your saying "it's not their job" while it is. The concept of Evolution is a theory on how animals/organisms transformed. Surely, such a topic if true would have been talked by the Prophet (PBUH).

no i don't deny that. to remind you, I said Adam may refer to mankind as opposed to a singular person. why? well, Arabic is not my language, and doubt arises as different translators have used different words for same aya, in some cases. different words lead to different meanings.

now my question to you is (for your self only, as I really don't care for your opinion or others of your ilk, having sensed the arrogance, egotism and base language used by a few members)


do you know arabic of the quran to such level that you may engage in a debate without any doubt, and if you have such knowledge of arabic of the quran, have you read the quran in arabic and analysed the language, the multiple meanings of some arabic words in certain context?

[ScimitarXEdge]

^^^^

Your advance science is the "religion" of Dajjal. It is "Wordly life", and you will be deceived by him.

The Prophets message was a way to go to Heaven. These other things can lead you to the hell-fire.

that's just what ignorant people say to deceive people into staying ignorant...people who fear knowledge.

[کیش]

Torkham/Scimitar/other Minions

Laugh at me all you want. Yes I am ignorant. Dont say I did not warn you. I will try one last time.

During the time of Prophet Sulaymon, Weren't his people involved with sorcery? Did not he warn his people that if they continue with this act, they would be of the wrong? Who was right? If Sorcerism is of the devil, what difference does it make to science? The people who practice Sorcery don't do anything wrong, They are trying to get knowledge. Isn't that the purpose of "Modern Science"? They have the same excuses you do, to continue their quest for worldly "Knowledge"

Practicing Sorcery can help/harm people can they not? modern science can help/harm people can they not?