why Creationism is farcical and Evolution is a meritable Scientific Concept

[Alchemist]

Very informative post Alchemist.

Khusal
Black-Magic has been around for a very long period of time. You don't have to belief it, but it's their like Science. Those two examples I used on how the Ibliss can deceive people to fall from the straight path.

Scimitar
Your a fool, I thought you were a smart man. You bolster how educated you are, then go ahead. Preach how Man envolved from apes to humans. I wanna know how they transformed.

When you have an idiot like Kusal telling you that "believing in Black Magic" is shirk ... when in Fact Allah affirms the existence of Magic, as He had sent two of His angels to the People of Babylon to teach it to those who wanted to go stray...then what luck will you have of convincing him of anything else?

See how Swordy manipulates your words constantly and makes strawman arguments against you. You never said Shaitan is the source of black magic ..or that black magic has anything to do with Shaitan even ...but he makes that your argument. In essence sword boy believes that Allah is not a perfect creator, because he thinks that other races of Humans, who have existed for over 500,000 years ago weren't even Human, but "proto type" humans... that is "Failed experiments". Even though archeologist have found proof of human consciousness..there is no reason to believe that these earlier races where any less intelligent than our race, he likes to believe that they were "less suited" for the enviornment ...when there is no reason to believe so. He literally believes in the story of evolution of man from primates...which is why more than half of his arguments are ad homiem...he can't show you proof or evidence ...so he says that you are too stupid for his proofs and evidence...that mullahs are too stupid for him.
You are doing a good job still ....it shows because he repeatedly says you are "uneducated" ...that is his excuse for failing to answer your questions and he will stick to it to appease his own ego.

[کیش]

It's good to know that at least one Muslim, doesn't belief in Ibliss. I thought I nailed it on the Coffin, with the comparison of Magic and Science. It seems "Muslims" aren't ready to hear that. They also deny the story of Sulaymon, and black Magic. I like to show this video of the verses about this subject. They don't understand complete, in a COMPLETED Quran.

YouTube - ‪Quran: The story of Solomon, Magic and the Demons‬‏

Best of luck with your businesses, haters going to hate.

[ScimitarXEdge]

You never said Shaitan is the source of black magic ..or that black magic has anything to do with Shaitan even ...but he makes that your argument.

Black-Magic is today's Modern Science. Obviously theirs going to be differences in the fields, but their both plots by Ibliss. If you fail to figure it out, it's your lose. Science is so strong that it has "smart" people like Hawkings, claim that god doesn't exist; as theirs no evidence of him. Stephen Hawkings is proclaimed the "smartest man in the world"
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In essence sword boy believes that Allah is not a perfect creator, because he thinks that other races of Humans, who have existed for over 500,000 years ago weren't even Human, but "proto type" humans... that is "Failed experiments".

talk about straw man argument; I never argued they were failed experiments, that's your interpolation.

Even though archeologist have found proof of human consciousness..there is no reason to believe that these earlier races where any less intelligent than our race, he likes to believe that they were "less suited" for the enviornment ...when there is no reason to believe so. He literally believes in the story of evolution of man from primates..

another straw man, the even if we factor this in it does not trump evolution from primates. Evolution is simply speciation, nothing more; it is not a measure of who is more or less intelligent. Even if generally the more intelligent are the ones who have evolved compared to their ancestor species.

.which is why more than half of his arguments are ad homiem...he can't show you proof or evidence ...so he says that you are too stupid for his proofs and evidence...that mullahs are too stupid for him.

someone who claims scientific proofs are essentially a form of black magic isn't interested in proof. None of my arguments are ad-hominem; I just add ad-hominem to the end of my evidence based statements as a summary of what motivates such ignorance despite evidence; ALL of your arguments are some type of ad-hominem, with meager evidence in support of them.

You are doing a good job still ....it shows because he repeatedly says you are "uneducated" ...that is his excuse for failing to answer your questions and he will stick to it to appease his own ego.

he believes that modern science is a form of black magic; this is an appeal to unfalsifiable claims

jumping in and giving a pat on the back wont validate his argument

especially considering is that you dont have a college degree and work for a fast food restaurant chain. you simply have no credibility


Enlightened Science Minded patrons of Islam 20, jahil anti science perverters of Islam 0

[ScimitarXEdge]

Kaish keeps yapping about black magic yet Alchemist thinks that Kaish's argument has nothing to do with Iblis and black magic.

lol


Is it stubborness and arrogance that's driving you or stupidity or all three?

[کیش]

I never said Science was a form of Black-Magic. I said they are both fields of Ibliss's plot to deceive mankind; to bring them with him to hell. You are misunderstanding my statements, and playing with words.

And this is all Allah's will, as he already written destiny. I already gave you references of God, granting permission to Ibliss so he can deceive mankind.

In this whole discussion, I have proofed that Ibliss has the authority to deceive mankind. I have brought up an excellent comparison between Black-Magic and Science. How both are quests for wordly knowledge, and benefits. You have done nothing, to proof your stance.

What part of a completed Quran do you not comprehend?

Who needs a college degree? Congratulations for all your 10 Phd's, but that won't do nothing for you in the after-life.

[ScimitarXEdge]

You might think because Alchemist is cheering you on that you have someone who knows what they're talking about and speaks knowledgeably, despite the fundamental ignorance that rules over these ideas.

But just because Alchemist jumps in and hands you an excuse to scapegoat but these are your words

Black-Magic is today's Modern Science. Obviously theirs going to be differences in the fields, but their both plots by Ibliss. If you fail to figure it out, it's your lose. Science is so strong that it has "smart" people like Hawkings, claim that god doesn't exist; as theirs no evidence of him. Stephen Hawkings is proclaimed the "smartest man in the world"

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you can back peddle all you want


If you didn't mean to imply that black magic is modern science; then explain how exactly is Modern Science deceiving people when it shows proofs and evidences which support it? How exactly does Shaitan deceive people by using scientific evidence?

I'm waiting to hear this.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Who needs a college degree? Congratulations for all your 10 Phd's, but that won't do nothing for you in the after-life.

it's thinking like that , which has made Muslims weak and slaves of kufar; maybe if we thought about being educated first than blindly following

even Qur'an emphasizes knowledge not blind belief. So if you follow blind belief you aren't following Islam

[کیش]

^^^
What part of that statement did you not understand? Do you need a "For Dummies" version?

What proofs and evidence of Science? Aren't most scienctist Atheist, because their is no "evidence" of god, "Scientifically"?

You are going back and forth, asking me the same Questions all over again. I have showed you all the evidence you need. You choose to ignore, for wordly benefits, and "Knowledge"

I don't care if Alchemist respects my arguments or not, him not letting Ibliss deceive him is all I care about.

Answer ONE of my questions:

What part of completed Quran, do you not understand?

[کیش]

it's thinking like that , which has made Muslims weak and slaves of kufar; maybe if we thought about being educated first than blindly following

even Qur'an emphasizes knowledge not blind belief. So if you follow blind belief you aren't following Islam

Like I said it's the unbelievers world to play. You can follow with great education To Ibliss.

[ScimitarXEdge]

^^^
What part of that statement did you not understand? Do you need a "For Dummies" version?

What proofs and evidence of Science? Aren't most scienctist Atheist, because their is no "evidence" of god, "Scientifically"?

You are going back and forth, asking me the same Questions all over again. I have showed you all the evidence you need. You choose to ignore, for wordly benefits, and "Knowledge"

I don't care if Alchemist respects my arguments or not, him not letting Ibliss deceive him is all I care about.

Answer ONE of my questions:

What part of completed Quran, do you not understand?

you're trying to evade.

explain to us how Shaitan is using scientific evidence to deceive us?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Like I said it's the unbelievers world to play. You can follow with great education To Ibliss.

If it's unbelievers world, then why are believers here? Why is your friend Alchemist selling pork in their fast food restaurants for them? Shouldn't he abandon this and just live like a slave all day? Why are you using a computer, shouldn't you abandon all these facilities of the dunya?

[کیش]

you're trying to evade.

explain to us how Shaitan is using scientific evidence to deceive us?

Your evading the whole thread, you haven't responded to any of my question. All in the meantime I have answered yours.

Answer this:
What part of a completed Quran, can you not comprehend?

What scientific evidence? evolution is just a theory, a conspiracy one at the best.

For your other post, that is going off-topic. You are running away, and bringing another matter to this.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Your evading the whole thread, you haven't responded to any of my question. All in the meantime I have answered yours.

Answer this:
What part of a completed Quran, can you not comprehend?

What scientific evidence? evolution is just a theory, a conspiracy one at the best.

For your other post, that is going off-topic. You are running away, and bringing another matter to this.

I didnt ask you any questions before though except the "you can't be serious"

I'm not bringing another matter you introduced this subject, I'm going by what you introduce.

I answered every one of your questions; your response is "it's black magic"

now explain how Shaitan tries to deceive people with scientific evidence?

and evolution "theory" does not mean it lacks evidence, it just means that the entire billions of years of evolution cannot be reproduced in a laboratory, but evidence for it can be.

you should look up what theory means, because you clearly speak based on ignorance.

[کیش]

Your calling the Quran, not complete as it doesn't have your views of evolution in it. You do not think it's complete. That is why you are frightened to answer this question.

For you it's "Scientific Evidence", for me it's a ticket to Hell. That is how Ibliss decieves you. You will fall quick to the ways of Dajjal.

[ScimitarXEdge]

the Qur'an is only complete when it comes to how to live our life and it DOES have evolution in it; I already explained by verses of the Qur'an. Qur'an doesn't contain every detail about Nature in it; there's nothing about how chemical bonds work and how the sun gives us its radiation and these things. This is for humans to discover.where does the Qur'an explain how computers work?

so see you said I didnt answer your questions when in actuality you just IGNORE my answers. Like a jahil would.




now explain how Shaitan is using scientific evidence to deceive people?