Afghan police pledge justice for Taliban stoning

[qunduz92]

unknown besharma you go around thanking any post but mine...

my posts were the most truthful and enlightening of all yet you skip over them

[IamDZJ]

the "controversy" was not about that which inspired you to choose what you have chosen as a user name. i don't like being reminded of my grandmother every time i come across your nonsense. if you must, then consider that the "controversy".

[qunduz92]

Although I'm not on Babo's side in this debate, that's a weak analogy

what the prophet did do and didn't do are two distinct variables.

The Prophet (saw) punishing adulterers with capital punishment is a legal ordinance not merely some personal script he followed for himself alone. The ordinance was carried out by his followers and was dictated to from the Prophet(saw).

The penalty for stoning in Islaam for marital adultery cannot be denied by anyone who is intellectually honest in regards to Islamic Textual and Legal Matters. Although people are trying, they fail due to having at best merely circumstantially based rebuttals.

What's open for debate however is the methodology in which criminal offenses were handled. Never was there ever an act in which the Nabi (saw) merely acted on the impulse of rage. Every act was deliberate and thought out insomuch as legal order is concerned. Every process was a check on possible insufficiencies that could undermine justice.

This is a stark contrast from the Taliban method which is impulse driven and without appropriate concern for salient features which would justify when and how a penalty as severe as Rajm (stoning) can and should be administered.

it is so weak that it's not even worth discussing..the argument she made was quite pathetic. that's the kind of stuff that does justice to the word obtuse, scimitar.

as far as your allegations against the proceedings are concerned, you really have no proof that the proper methods were not used in the conviction.

the narrator had spoken words along the lines that the two "lovers" were not even ashamed of their behavior, they still seemingly continued to profess their perverted from of love for one another.

now that i recollect the story, it makes more sense; they may as well have been banished to across the border to pakistan the first time. when time was up and they went back to kunduz they presumably returned to their vile act again without remorse, thus the capital punishment. this seems like a more logical piecing together of the events narrated.

the gunshot may or may not have been fabricated seeing as how it wasn't shown. it probably was included to make the point that the taliban are so disorderly.. in any case, it is my belief Allah (swt) will forgive him as he was only trying to do what he thought was right.

also, according to my understanding, the shar'i way is to keep stoning until death overtakes the individual. i dont understand what would circumstances would constitute the notion that 'they survived the stoning'. perhaps you can elaborate to clarify this.

[qunduz92]

the "controversy" was not about that which inspired you to choose what you have chosen as a user name. i don't like being reminded of my grandmother every time i come across your nonsense. if you must, then consider that the "controversy".

okay in that case, kindly keep whatever you have against my name to yourself.

[qunduz92]

^ i bet you are secretly jealous of my name..

yours is long and ugly sounding whereas mine is so simple and cute.

[IamDZJ]

okay in that case, kindly keep whatever you have against my name to yourself.

you and your silly suggestions woman...why don't copyright your name?? that way you can sue me whenever i mention it in future. go away already...
jealous of your name?? four letter words don't do me justice. get lost now.

[qunduz92]

you and your silly suggestions woman...why don't copyright your name?? that way you can sue me whenever i mention it in future. go away already...
jealous of your name?? four letter words don't do me justice. get lost now.

i am not a technically a woman in colloqial usage of the term. i am a lot younger than you. anywho, stop being such a "shrew"... i feel so sorry for your future husband.

[ScimitarXEdge]

you are more than welcome to accept or deny whatever you wish just as long as you don't falsely attribute things to Allah(swt)'s religion without evidence-- a crime considered by scholars to be 2nd in severity to shirk.

the authentic hadith in which our beloved nabi (SAW) ordered for convicted adulterers to be stoned have already been posted by me.

the prophet (Saw) was quoted to have said in various hadith that there will be people like you one day in the ummah reclining on couches who will say we didn't find such and such in Allah(Swt)'s book , therefore we reject it. the holy prophet(Saw) warned us abstain from that evil behavior. he (Saw) said that there have been many actions made compulsory solely through his (Saw) sunnah which are as important if not more important for us to follow. he (Saw) also said, that those who turn away from and reject his established sunnah are disbelievers and have nothing to do with him (Saw). the above hadiths were all quoted by me previously with their sources. many of them have been compiled in not one source but the same narrations exist in different compilations as well. in addition, there are numerous ayats in the qur'an al majid where Allah (Swt) tells the believers to emulate the prophet (Saw) and follow his (Saw) path.

so as i said, you esapzai, scimitar, ralph etc have been informed as to the reality of the situation based upon the sunnah of Nabi (SAW) which you are free to accept or reject. and there is nothing more i can tell you except that.

a good majority of afghan-americans or afghans living in other foriegn countries wake up to the sounds of church bells instead of the adhan, -attend nightclubs instead of masjids, drink, fornicate, dress provocatively and what not and then criticize the muslim people of afghanistan of how they conduct their lives adhereing to the sunnah of rasulullah (saw) as was practiced 1400 years ago. it is stupid to say the least.

Your intellectual dishonesty is an insult to Allah(swt) and the Prophet (saw) as you have taken it upon yourself to speak in their name. I have repeatedly stressed to you in every post so far that I am aware and accept the penalty of Rajm for Adultery as apart of Islamic Legal Penal System as established by Nabi (saw) by orders of Allah 'azza wa jall.

why do you insist on suggesting that I am implying otherwise?

Are you really so blindsided by irrationality and Deviant Saudi teachings being masked as the sunnah.

Do you need it posted to you in large letters so that the brainwashed zombie thought process that operates in your mind is awakened?

Here it goes; I HAVE ALWAYS ACCEPTED AND HAVE NEVER DENIED THAT RAJM FOR ADULTERERS IS PROVEN BY THE SUNNAH.

Now you have absolutely zero excuse to regurgitate your diversionary rant about the validity of Rajm to me.

With that said the issue here is not the issue of Rajm; but the issue of the legal processes in the Taliban justice system; that is what's being opposed insomuch as my argument.

In that regards they're not following the Prophetic Sunnah or applying the method he applied in dealing with issues of Penalty, since there were so many details as made evident by the references that I posted, before the application of a penalty was administered. This is more than merely having four alleged witnesses, even then, none of the established requirements has been made evident in the Taliban's judicial convictions. They don't even have a judiciary committee for criminal offenses, what does that tell us?

Suggesting that they're merely righteous Muslim Brothers doing what the Prophet (saw) instructed when it's plainly evident that they left out CRUCIAL DETAILS in what would be required to administer such ordinances is disingenuous to say the least. They are either following the established precepts of Islamic Law which are derived from the Sunnah, or they aren't. Simple as that. There is no such thing as a "minor" deviation so long as the desire to follow Islamic ordinances is invoked; that's a contradiction, since in the process one is breaking Islamic law which defeats the purpose. It's a serious matter because peoples lives are at stake. Such dodgy approaches to justice are neither justice nor are they Islam.

A good majority of the deviants who peddle such ideas as "shooting a woman who survived stoning is a minor abberation as long as their intention was to follow Islamic Law" are Hypocrites who hide under a religious disguise of claiming to follow Islam and the Sunnah, while engaging in boy-rape/pederasty, indulging in chars and bang, raping women, engaged in vile acts of sexual exploitation of women which rival that of Western society, toss acid on women to fisgure/mutilate them (not a sunnah by the way). While they sit and criticize and falsely accuses others of being seduced by church bells and nightclubs simply for Objecting against Abuses and distortions of Islamic Law.

[IamDZJ]

i am not a technically a woman in colloqial usage of the term. i am a lot younger than you. anywho, stop being such a "shrew"... i feel so sorry for your future husband.

my bad..in future, i will replace the word woman with kiddo. okay?? my insanity evades my beloved. he for whom i do not care does not deserve my sympathy. you have the liberty to feel whatever you want to feel for who ever you want to feel it. good night.

[qunduz92]

my bad..in future, i will replace the word woman with kiddo. okay?? my insanity evades my beloved. he for whom i do not care does not deserve my sympathy. you have the liberty to feel whatever you want to feel for who ever you want to feel it. good night.

being younger than you does not necessarily translate into a kid either.

[qunduz92]

A good majority of the deviants who peddle such ideas as "shooting a woman who survived stoning is a minor abberation as long as their intention was to follow Islamic Law" are Hypocrites who hide under a religious disguise of claiming to follow Islam and the Sunnah, while engaging in boy-rape/pederasty, indulging in chars and bang, raping women, engaged in vile acts of sexual exploitation of women which rival that of Western society, toss acid on women to fisgure/mutilate them (not a sunnah by the way). While they sit and criticize and falsely accuses others of being seduced by church bells and nightclubs simply for Objecting against Abuses and distortions of Islamic Law.

have you gotten all this information out of the kite runner?

if you want to criticize for strict interpretation of islam, no one is stopping you. but don't resort to going to the level of lying.

i am beginning to view you as a dubious man filled with evil and hatred. i am actually quite spooked by you now after i saw this strange uncalled for emotional aggressiveness characteristic of those affected by devils. it is to the point you are using a shouting tone. it may as well be the case that your hidden agenda is to malign islam altogether without admitting. i don't understand why you are so attached to this community, trying to learn pashto and fit in, etc even though you are not pashtun. at the same time, your posts seem to be centered around maligning islam in hidden ways. these are simply my observations. it is my belief that there is a real chance, depending on the circumstances i obersve, that you may not even be a muslim but are simply out here to infiltrate and malign our religion and people. you may as well be getting paid for it.
i hope you do not come in my nightmares because you seem to be spiritually possessed. i dont think i will come to this forum again. we do not know who we really are dealing with behind their pc's; they can be anyone projecting a completely false persona. its better not to caught up with this imaginary world. it has far transgressed its limits if it allows perverted slander of the sort nonsensically spewed here.

[ScimitarXEdge]

have you gotten all this information out of the kite runner?

if you want to criticize for strict interpretation of islam, no one is stopping you. but don't resort to going to the level of lying.

i am beginning to view you as a dubious man filled with evil and hatred. i am actually quite spooked by you now after i saw this strange uncalled for emotional aggressiveness characteristic of those affected by devils. it is to the point you are using a shouting tone. it may as well be the case that your hidden agenda is to malign islam altogether without admitting. i don't understand why you are so attached to this community, trying to learn pashto and fit in, etc even though you are not pashtun. at the same time, your posts seem to be centered around maligning islam in hidden ways. these are simply my observations. it is my belief that there is a real chance, depending on the circumstances i obersve, that you may not even be a muslim but are simply out here to infiltrate and malign our religion and people. you may as well be getting paid for it.
i hope you do not come in my nightmares because you seem to be spiritually possessed. i dont think i will come to this forum again. we do not know who we really are dealing with behind their pc's; they can be anyone projecting a completely false persona. its better not to caught up with this imaginary world. it has far transgressed its limits if it allows perverted slander of the sort nonsensically spewed here.

I dont want to criticize a strict interpretation of Islam, because clearly they aren't interpreting Islam strictly since they arent following ALL OF IT'S GUIDELINES. I'm criticizing a clearly erroneous interpretation of Islam.

The reason you're getting bent out of shape is that the same ludicrous suggestions manifested in the form of labeling people as "westernized" and seduced by "church bells" and "night clubs" has been turned around against those who pervert and misuse Islam, such as the Taliban. Such Logically False suggestions can easily be made for those with extremist mentalities as well. You saw no problem in peddling your own hypocrisy with your own slanderous suggestions; but cry in disdain, imploring the power of devils and spirituality as a defense when such tactics are responded to with similar tactics. All I did was give you a taste of your own medicine, so whatever devil's you perceive or spiritual darkness or evil and hatred is all but your own just being thrown back at you. You can stereotype, so can we; deal with it.

I was thinking the same thing about you!, The Irony, here I was thinking you're a Disinformation Operative trying to create a scenario of entrapment by instigating clearly corrupt views of Islamic law, both trying to tarnish the fairness, rationality and level headedness for impulsive, blind sided and destructive qualities.

As for who I am or am not, what would suggest that I'm not Pashtoon? and What does that have to do with Islam and Islamic Law? are you implying to be Pashtoon one must be an irrational lemming clueless about Islamic Law? And what would suggest I'm not Muslim? Do you also suggest to be Muslim one must be a bloodthirsty sicko, hell bent on looking for reasons to brutalize people?


Get your head checked, stop reading Khariji interpretations, they're rubbish and more over use your brain.

[randolph85]

i believe babo is infact a disinfo agent. the alex jones of this forum.

they come in many forms, noorzai for example who is blatant and on the other side of the coin, babo. both secularism and extremism are poison to the islamic cause. notice i dont call it islamic extremism because it has no basis in islam.

his/her salafi way of thinking has not taken root in the gulf despite being born from there and it has been hundreds of years. they then try to spread their bs to other nations they see as accepting to the ideology, poor and politically disorganized as afghanistan. again, it has not taken root in afghanistan, unless u want to count the taliban who were more ignorance than islam, not to mention their un salafi ways.

with the amazing zeal babo promotes here on the forum, u would think he/she would be in afg fighting the kufar instead of spreading tall tales with no proof to backup his/her claims.

[شمله ور خراساني]

So if people stick up with the facts suddenly they are labeled as extremists.

At least, Babo is the only one who is being consistent and not behaving like some kind of CNN muslim.

[randolph85]

So if people stick up with the facts suddenly they are labeled as extremists.

At least, Babo is the only one who is being consistent and not behaving like some kind of CNN muslim.

consistantly stupid and devoid of facts.

if he isnt a cnn muslim than he is a muslim who blows himself up in a bazar and then blames it on the occupation.

acting like there arent extremist elements in the ummah who harm the cause of islam is being willfully blind.