The Immorality of Child Abuse

[JAMALUDEEN]

Alchemist is spot on and the DaZahrooJAM is wrong.

Why do you even think so low of your people DaZahrooJaam? Isn't this how the west projects us? Backward terrorists? Is this your way of trying to fit in .. in whatever country you are living in right now? Isn't this a sign of being mentally colonised?

You want to focus on the issues in Afghanistan, while ignoring ..what caused the problem in the first place...

[IamDZJ]

i am a practical person jamaludeen. i don't feel guilty for pointing out faults in my own people and no i don't want to fit in anywhere. do you turn a blind eye on the faults of your own people because you are afraid you would be outcasted and referred to as a traitor if you spoke otherwise or do you seriously not see it as it is?

[JAMALUDEEN]

i am a practical person jamaludeen. i don't feel guilty for pointing out faults in my own people and no i don't want to fit in anywhere. do you turn a blind eye on the faults of your own people because you are afraid you would be outcasted and referred to as a traitor if you spoke otherwise or do you seriously not see it as it is?

Do you think...Afghans are terrorists..backward..psychos?

[IamDZJ]

Do you think...Afghans are terrorists..backward..psychos?

why would i think that? i think afghans are being misused/mislead and that they are doing nothing to prevent or stop it because they are overly emotional whimps. ten years of a lousy tag war. where is the glory? the venom of cobra, teeth of tiger and vengeance of a pukhtun??

once again, just because i am not wasting everyone's time by focusing on the west and pulling out fault's in it's culture instead of finding a solutions for my own issues, it's assumed that i think my people are terrorists.
stop acting like middle aged overly emotional 7 months pregnant women and start using your brains for a change.

o, and don't answer a question with another question.

[JAMALUDEEN]

why would i think that? i think afghans are being misused/mislead and that they are doing nothing to prevent or stop it because they are overly emotional whimps. ten years of a lousy tag war. where is the glory? the venom of cobra, teeth of tiger and vengeance of a pukhtun??

once again, just because i am not wasting everyone's time by focusing on the west and pulling out fault's in it's culture instead of finding a solutions for my own issues, it's assumed that i think my people are terrorists.
stop acting like middle aged overly emotional 7 months pregnant women and start using your brains for a change.

You are looking to fix the afghan social problems through foreign western solutions. This is a sign of being mentally colonised. The atheist who brought communism to afghanistan thought the same..

If Afghanistan was never invaded, and you were brought up and raised in the Afghan way of lif..in Afghanistan, you wouldn't consider many of the things you discussed with alchemist as wrong. The reason, you even speak of it and consider it over what shariah teaches is a clear sign of being mentally colonised.

I'm not acting like anything, and it is actually you..who has been acting like a middle aged overly emotional 7 months pregnant women..and you have admitted to this in one of the posts to alchemist...

[IamDZJ]

You are looking to fix the afghan social problems through foreign western solutions. This is a sign of being mentally colonised. by asking you to use your head? i am sorry, i didn't know you were boycotting that idea for being a westernized way of finding solutions for a problem. or did you wed off a 13 year old daughter to some 60 year old who is keeping her happy and all that?? i don't see how else i implied western solutions to afghan problems. The atheist who brought communism to afghanistan thought the same..you would know all about it. the same way you know about pedophiles, pornography and bestiality...i don't because it doesn't concern me.

If Afghanistan was never invaded, and you were brought up and raised in the Afghan way of lif..in Afghanistan, you wouldn't consider many of the things you discussed with alchemist as wrong. yeah and if you and alchemist were living in afghanistan, by now you would both be grandpas. heck, for all i know, you probably are.The reason, you even speak of it and consider it over what shariah teaches is a clear sign of being mentally colonised. yeah and you were brainwashed by osama. you don't see me supporting extra marital affairs or promoting vodka but i do see your buddy alchemist there justifying women getting burned alive and children sold off in to meaningless marriages because it's done in the presence of a mullah who recites a couple of verses of quraan he probably never bothered to learn the meanings for. who is mentally colonized now? what sharia are you talking about? go back 10 pages forward and read what i said about the sharia in afghanistan, then come back and wave your fist in front of me.
I'm not acting like anything, and it is actually you..who has been acting like a middle aged overly emotional 7 months pregnant women..and you have admitted to this in one of the posts to alchemist...no i did not.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

those who constantly excuse ones own failings on others are mentally inferior and insecure people

so what the west colonized you, and manipulated and interfered in your country? had your country been strong, this never would have happened

offer solutions, dont cry about the problem.

if a stronger entity oppresses you, you have to analyze what are your weak points that allow the oppression and what are the oppressors strengths that has over u

btw an islamic sharia utopia is just as much of a pie in the sky dream as communisms conception of a perfect society. just as how commies swear that we cant judge it as a system because no true commie govt ever existed, advocates of sharia say the same. but they ignore the reality, that no true perfect commie/sharia system has ever existed because it is in capable of existing

what the prophet muhamad was able to accomplish amongst the arabs of the arabian peninsula 1300 yrs ago will never be replicated, deal with it

[faye]

so, do we have any statistics of child sexual abuse by atheists? we can't just go around generalising.

[JAMALUDEEN]

by asking you to use your head? i am sorry, i didn't know you were boycotting that idea for being a westernized way of finding solutions for a problem. or did you wed off a 13 year old daughter to some 60 year old who is keeping her happy and all that?? i don't see how else i implied western solutions to afghan problems.

These are issues that must be solved internally through shariah. While, you are free to voice your opinion, it is another story whether these resolutions will be welcomed in Afghanistan by the people, especially when they are dramatised with western gibberish.

you would know all about it. the same way you know about pedophiles, pornography and bestiality...i don't because it doesn't concern me.

These are very important and real issues. You want to avoid them, i do not. Why is it that parents tell their kids, not to speak to strangers..or not to take candy off a stranger? Are you not going to educate your kids on these serious issues and the harms..of it..

Or will you just let them fall into the traps of a pedophile...

think.....

alchemist were living in afghanistan, by now you would both be grandpas. heck, for all i know, you probably are.

We are both young, and you consider us to have the wisdom and knowledge of a Pir. Call me Pir Jamaludeen, and alchemist... Pir alchemist.

yeah and you were brainwashed by osama. you don't see me supporting extra marital affairs or promoting vodka but i do see your buddy alchemist there justifying women getting burned alive and children sold off in to meaningless marriages because it's done in the presence of a mullah who recites a couple of verses of quraan he probably never bothered to learn the meanings for. who is mentally colonized now? what sharia are you talking about? go back 10 pages forward and read what i said about the sharia in afghanistan, then come back and wave your fist in front of me.

This is just childish "Oh you were brainwashed by osama". People getting burned alive is in Indian culture, which has nothing to do with Shariah. There is a lot of negative aspects of our culture, which people mistake for Shariah... and religion. Children are never sold off in meaningless marriages... you see.. people in Afghanistan live more of a collective life..not the independent individualistic life you see in the west, therefore.. family pride..honor..respect...values..religion come first.. therefore .. if someone marries at the age of 13 .. or 40 or even 80.. and the consent is given from both parties..the families agree.. and is all according to shariah then who the hell are you to object? Its none of your business..

Shariah Approve of it..
The families approve of it..
Both parties approve of it.

You want to follow shariah, then you wish to change the legal age for marraige? Its called holding two watermelons in one hand (Peh Yaw Las Ki dwa indwaney nissey)..which means you are bringing innovations...to shariah..

What qualifications do you have for this? some textbooks?

Another sign of mental colonisation..

As a matter of fact, define what a marriage is?

[faye]

google "atheists pedophilia"

its the first result

these crimes have been around for centuries, long before atheism was invented. stop crapping on with these ridiculous generalisations unknown. check out child sexual abuse in israel, where this dude comes from.

[IamDZJ]

[QUOTE=Jamaludeen;555392]These are issues that must be solved internally through shariah. While, you are free to voice your opinion, it is another story whether these resolutions will be welcomed in Afghanistan by the people, especially when they are dramatised with western gibberish.
listen jamalo, don't chew on my brains okay? i have not been discussing secularism all this while. don't argue with me against it because it frustrates me when someone acts like an idiot by coming up with his own ideas for an argument, makes it mine and then argues with me against them and i am not a very pleasant person when i am frustrated.
you can't stop killing each other or treat women and children like human beings because it's sounds too much of a westernized idea??

These are very important and real issues. You want to avoid them, i do not. yeah your type has been dealing with these issues for a very long time now. i see the wonders you have come up with already. a nation full of beggars...that is what you have created. go celebrate somewhere.. Why is it that parents tell their kids, not to speak to strangers..or not to take candy off a stranger? Are you not going to educate your kids on these serious issues and the harms..of it.. what are you talking about??

Or will you just let them fall into the traps of a pedophile...what??

think.....no i don't want to think. what the hell are you talking about??



We are both young, and you consider us to have the wisdom and knowledge of a Pir. Call me Pir Jamaludeen, and alchemist... Pir alchemist.

how about idiot1 and idiot2??



This is just childish "Oh you were brainwashed by osama". People getting burned alive is in Indian culture, which has nothing to do with Shariah. i didn't mean burned alive as part of a ritual, i meant as the result of domestic violence. and mind you, women in afghanistan did used to get burned in the similar manner that widows in indian culture are burned today. i have a book on it that i read about 3 months ago...There is a lot of negative aspects of our culture, which people mistake for Shariah... and religion. don't slap me in the face with my own point.Children are never sold off in meaningless marriages... you see.. people in Afghanistan live more of a collective life..not the independent individualistic life you see in the west, therefore.. family pride..honor..respect...values..religion come first..if you had the decency to read what i had written 6 pages ago before you declared me mentally colonized you would have found me saying that when women are given the choice of deciding who they don't want to marry (at least that if not who they do want to marry) they wouldn't end up getting beaten up, abused and beaten by their husbands and so there wouldn't be any reasons left for them to run away from home and bring shame upon their parents as well as their husbands. therefore .. if someone marries at the age of 13 .. or 40 or even 80.. and the consent is given from both parties..the families agree.. let me tell you what else a consent from both parties are given to that involves children of 13 years of age. children who are sold in to sex trafficking by their parents. does the consent of their children justify that?? i already explained why a child of 13 can't be a wife to an older man and to be honest, i am sick and tired of repeating myself over and over. and is all according to shariah then who the hell are you to object? i am dzj and i already discussed that too a few pages earlier.. Its none of your business.. some argument that is. it very much is my business.

Shariah Approve of it..sharia might approve of it but sharia doesn't stick around for the honeymoon to get over and the reality of it to set in which is why i don't approve of it.
The families approve of it..human beings are not cows. just because families approve of selling their children in to slavery doesn't mean we should stand back and watch.
Both parties approve of it. i don't care.

You want to follow shariah, then you wish to change the legal age for marraige? the legal age for marriage in afghanistan is 16 not 13. 11 and 13 year olds married to men 5 times their age is a crime according to the islamic emirate (what a joke) of afghanistan to begin with. there is your sharia right there... Its called holding two watermelons in one hand (Peh Yaw Las Ki dwa indwaney nissey)..which means you are bringing innovations...to shariah..thank you for clarifying that.

What qualifications do you have for this? some textbooks?
i don't need a text book, i have a brain. in case you forgot, text books were written by people who have nothing extraordinary asides from a functional brain. nod nod** yes, that is how it works jamaludeen.
Another sign of mental colonisation..

As a matter of fact, define what a marriage is? i already did that three times int his thread. where were you when that happened?? yaaaaawn***
i have a novel to finish reading.

[Afghanistan2010]

given the choice of deciding who they don't want to marry (at least that if not who they do want to marry) they wouldn't end up getting beaten up, abused and beaten by their husbands and so there wouldn't be any reasons left for them to run away from home and bring shame upon their parents as well as their husbands.

that is a clear problem in our society and we pray to Allah that he remove this and other errors from us.

because Shariah says something else.

[Soldat_Amir]

Hey unknown cool story bro

what about this, is this not child abuse too

[graveyardofempires]

^
government controlled propaganda.

you know how it works guys.

this sellout amir thinks he can fool us with mainstream propaganda.

yes there are pashtun kids who fight to liberate their country alongside their fathers.

[JAMALUDEEN]

listen jamalo, don't chew on my brains okay? i have not been discussing secularism all this while. don't argue with me against it because it frustrates me when someone acts like an idiot by coming up with his own ideas for an argument, makes it mine and then argues with me against them and i am not a very pleasant person when i am frustrated.
you can't stop killing each other or treat women and children like human beings because it's sounds too much of a westernized idea??

Listen Zoghal. You are chewing your own brain with your lack of rational and coherence thoughts. You said, you follow shariah..right? then if shariah approve of marriages between a 13 years old girl and a 60 years old..then who are you to tell people whats up... I'm just stating facts on where your allegiance lie. .. Your argument actually was..that 13 years olds shouldn't marry 60 years old..

yeah your type has been dealing with these issues for a very long time now. i see the wonders you have come up with already. a nation full of beggars...that is what you have created. go celebrate somewhere.

irrelevant..to our discussion.

what are you talking about??

what??

no i don't want to think. what the hell are you talking about??

You spoke about, how you are not bothered by pedophilia, pornography, etc..therefore you will not educate yourself on it..and remain ignorant..

and i provided you with a reason.. to study it.. up to you bro!

how about idiot1 and idiot2??

Have some manners emo kid...life is not really about you hating everyone.. its actually about everyone hating you.

i didn't mean burned alive as part of a ritual, i meant as the result of domestic violence. and mind you, women in afghanistan did used to get burned in the similar manner that widows in indian culture are burned today. i have a book on it that i read about 3 months ago...

I don't agree with this as well.. there might be people who may burn their women as a result of domestic..however not as a ritual...unless you can provide me with proof..then i am willing to have my view changed..

.if you had the decency to read what i had written 6 pages ago before you declared me mentally colonized you would have found me saying that when women are given the choice of deciding who they don't want to marry (at least that if not who they do want to marry) they wouldn't end up getting beaten up, abused and beaten by their husbands and so there wouldn't be any reasons left for them to run away from home and bring shame upon their parents as well as their husbands.

Domestic violence is wrong, but then again you are speculating...because what if they got married through love marriage? Through love marraige..The girl had the choice..made the choice? After a while, the husband beats her up..there is a break up and a divorce..very common as well...
What i'm saying...Its not much about whether the girl is given the choice or not to get married..but really depends on the man..and not every man beats up his wife...

there is no statistics on this.. and you cannot prove this..

To sum it up.. this is your argument..

Arrange Marraige = forced = Husband beat up wife..

let me tell you what else a consent from both parties are given to that involves children of 13 years of age. children who are sold in to sex trafficking by their parents. does the consent of their children justify that?? i already explained why a child of 13 can't be a wife to an older man and to be honest, i am sick and tired of repeating myself over and over.

sex trafficking is wrong...in Islam..and there is no justification for this...

and You are sick of repeating yourself? You actually don't mind sticking your nose in others business so cope with it. You are just stating your opinion in regard to it..and nothing more.. and you turned out to be liar..as you stated that you are all for shariah..but now.. you are having doubts...

i am dzj and i already discussed that too a few pages earlier.. some argument that is. it very much is my business.

I'm being honest.. its none of you business.. how would you like it if we all started sticking our noses in your business.. Would you like it? I'm sure.. your chill pill prescriptions will go skyrocketing...and the funny thing is.. you have no Islamic basis to back up your opinion..

1. Shariah Approve of it..sharia might approve of it but sharia doesn't stick around for the honeymoon to get over and the reality of it to set in which is why i don't approve of it.
2. The families approve of it..human beings are not cows. just because families approve of selling their children in to slavery doesn't mean we should stand back and watch.
3. Both parties approve of it. i don't care.

1. Speculating again... a love marriage could as well turn the same..where the girl has made a decision...
2. Appeal to ridicule...again you have no right.. to say anything..unless she is being sold for sex trafficking..then maybe you should do something about it..besides that its none of your business
3. you just care about winning a debate through spontaneous trolling..

the legal age for marriage in Afghanistan is 16 not 13. 11 and 13 year olds married to men 5 times their age is a crime according to the Islamic emirate (what a joke) of Afghanistan to begin with. there is your sharia right there..

Do you really think...Afghanistan is Shariah right now? are you serial? stop chewing on your brain..

i don't need a text book, i have a brain. in case you forgot, text books were written by people who have nothing extraordinary asides from a functional brain. nod nod** yes, that is how it works jamaludeen.

looool.. all you do is read text books and you think.. you are intelligent...

go to a university...

i already did that three times int his thread. where were you when that happened?? yaaaaawn***
i have a novel to finish reading.

Do you really think.. i read all your threads?...I don't find your posts as significant as others... try to use quotes next time...when separating text..