The Immorality of Child Abuse

[Manzareh]

Hypocrisy at its peak

[IamDZJ]

shut your face

[Afghanistan2010]

shut your face

be an example and do it first yourself.

what did immanuel kant said : Behave such that your doing can be a maxim.

[IamDZJ]

every doing is a maxim. so is mine...smartypants

smartypants===smartass

[Afghanistan2010]

every doing is a maxim. so is mine...smartypants

smartypants===smartass

maxim for women 50+ ?

or women with less education and only taught to insult ?

notSOsmartpants.

[IamDZJ]

maxim for women 50+ ?

or women with less education and only taught to insult ?

notSOsmartpants.

a woman of a certain age, a certain thought and a certain desire for certain insults.

either stick to the subject to get lost.

[Alchemist]

Zohra, you don't make sense.
You keep saying that we should not focus on western society. But western society focuses on Afghanistan constantly. They judge our culture and our way of life and they are constantly bombarding us with their values.

I thought this was obvious but now I am starting to realize that the majority of you appear to be totally blind to the real reason why Afghanistan is being targeted by all the Atheistic/Secular Nations of the world. Simply put, today's wars are a war of values. It was on the pretext of saving Afghan women from brutalities that the US and her allies mobilized their forces. The hype in the media was over burqas and every time there is a discussion its on "women's rights"...which is why the current Afghan parliament has to have 25% women.
The events of 9/11 were totally unrelated to Afghans and Afghanistan. There was no proof of any global ambitions from Afghanistan yet only a month after the incident Afghanistan was the first to be attacked. If it really was about Osama bin Laden, then Pakistan would have been wiped off the map by now for harbouring him only a mile away from their military bases...in a city filled with their top military brass!

Even though I tell the atheist pashtuns on this forum that if they were to declare their atheism in Afghanistan they would be hung...in reality they wouldn't be. Legally they should be hung for apostatizing but because America dictates the rules, it is their values that trump the discussions ...so most Afghans that leave Islam get asylum in secular countries because the quirky constitution of Afghanistan cannot merge secular values with Sharia. They contradict each other. The plan for the globalist is to unify the all the nations ..and in order to that they must make all values equal. Which is why a Muslim today is a target of severe criticism from every direction...and you are on their side. Because counter criticism of the culture that wants to subjugate and dominate our culture is forbidden by you. Even though you say that you want something better than the west and what is present in Afghanistan...the obvious fact of the matter is that the west is fairing off better than Afghanistan..so in order to surpass the west, Afghans must adopt the ways of the west? Isn't that the argument made by every atheist here? - "Abandon Islam and Sharia..stop following arabs...be secularists...let your women be independent...be individuals and pursue happiness..."
The title of the thread had it right Atheism LEADS to paedophilia...and Secularism LEADS to Atheism.


Unknown prince,
There were too other threads deleted - 300 impregnantd by mullah and some other thread by 'thegood' that was in retaliation to this thread. I suppose the moderators deleted those threads and to balance off the scales change the title of your thread. Atheists are the minority and an in a just society the majority protects the minority ...even if the minority spread harm. But I don't suppose those democratic values...in Athens Socrates was put to death for corrupting the youth by introducing a new god...Daemon.

[IamDZJ]

Zohra, you don't make sense.
You keep saying that we should not focus on western society. But western society focuses on Afghanistan constantly. They judge our culture and our way of life and they are constantly bombarding us with their values.

I thought this was obvious but now I am starting to realize that the majority of you appear to be totally blind to the real reason why Afghanistan is being targeted by all the Atheistic/Secular Nations of the world. Simply put, today's wars are a war of values. It was on the pretext of saving Afghan women from brutalities that the US and her allies mobilized their forces. The hype in the media was over burqas and every time there is a discussion its on "women's rights"...which is why the current Afghan parliament has to have 25% women.
The events of 9/11 were totally unrelated to Afghans and Afghanistan. There was no proof of any global ambitions from Afghanistan yet only a month after the incident Afghanistan was the first to be attacked. If it really was about Osama bin Laden, then Pakistan would have been wiped off the map by now for harbouring him only a mile away from their military bases...in a city filled with their top military brass!

the western society doesn't focus on afghanistan because it's concerned about afghans or the women in afghanistan. (if anything, it's the afghan men who are in desperate need of freedom from mental oppression...) you know that very well as i do. the western society gets something out of putting so much focus on us afghans but what to we get from focusing and judging their values or culture? is that our way of getting even with them?? does it help fix our situation? if our society wasn't a dysfunctional one, what would they be using as an excuse to come to our country, kill our people, rape our women, demand for their permanent bases to be set and still not be perceived as a joke?
Even though I tell the atheist pashtuns on this forum that if they were to declare their atheism in Afghanistan they would be hung...in reality they wouldn't be. that is not our issue. if someone says they don't believe in God, they are not going to automatically start believing in him just because they are about to get hanged by another human being who in no way obvious to him (the atheist) has anything better over him (the atheist). i know the sharia says they should be hanged and what not but if the sharia was applied properly, there wouldn't be any need for individuals to declare themselves as atheists in the first place. instead of searching for appropriate punishments, we ought to look for appropriate solutions... Legally they should be hung for apostatizing but because America dictates the rules, it is their values that trump the discussions ...so most Afghans that leave Islam get asylum in secular countries because the quirky constitution of Afghanistan cannot merge secular values with Sharia. They contradict each other. The plan for the globalist is to unify the all the nations ..and in order to that they must make all values equal. Which is why a Muslim today is a target of severe criticism from every direction...and you are on their side. Because counter criticism of the culture that wants to subjugate and dominate our culture is forbidden by you. Even though you say that you want something better than the west and what is present in Afghanistan...the obvious fact of the matter is that the west is fairing off better than Afghanistan..so in order to surpass the west, Afghans must adopt the ways of the west? Isn't that the argument made by every atheist here? why are you using an atheist's argument to prove yourself right?? "Abandon Islam and Sharia..stop following arabs...be secularists...let your women be independent...be individuals and pursue happiness..."i don't know, i don't pay any attention to them since they don't concern/interest me.
The title of the thread had it right Atheism LEADS to paedophilia...and Secularism LEADS to Atheism.
i don't think atheism is an obstacle that the muslims are facing today or at least not the ones in afghanistan. how many afghans or muslims do we have in afghanistan who hide behind that title and do everything that is entirely against even a 1/4th of what islam stand for? how often are they confronted?
when was the last time someone was hanged for misusing the title of islam?

you have muslim afghans who are killing, raping and murdering each other with no one stopping them and on top of that you are claiming that sharia can not be implemented properly because secularism comes in the way? why does it come in the way?? if a system does not provide the people justice, then it's pretty obvious that they would run up to the closest solution promised to them. no?
you can't expect every second person in a so called muslim population to be devout God fearing muslims if the sharia simply fails to provide them justice.

the americans didn't just land their planes in the middle of a desert and start taking over our country. someone allowed for that to happen. why? because they were promised hope. we ought to be ashamed of ourselves for letting it get to that point first and then point our fingers at others.

my name is not 'zohra'.

[Alchemist]

Zohra is a nicer name ...but whatever you are called...

You still lack rational.

I ll try simplifying this for you child:


Some pashtuns are atheists. True
Article is about Atheists. True
Therefore Article relates to Pashtuns. True

Your claims:
Article is unrelated to Pashtuns. False
Afghanistan is a dysfunctional Country. False
Muslim Afghans rape and murder each other, therefore Sharia is a failure. False.
Secularism is a better solution than Sharia. Secularism provides Justice. False.


I have presented my premise for the support of each conclusions in previous posts.
Please provide valid arguments with supportable evidence...or just stop trolling and trying to save face.

[randolph85]

pedophilia is subjective to cultures.

most of the the world came from pedo relationships.

[IamDZJ]

Zohra is a nicer name ...but whatever you are called...

You still lack rational.

I ll try simplifying this for you child:


Some pashtuns are atheists. True
Article is about Atheists. True
Therefore Article relates to Pashtuns. True

Your claims:
Article is unrelated to Pashtuns. False it's not false. it's just as related to pashtuns as your article on kate middleton'e friends special party was.
Afghanistan is a dysfunctional Country. False it has become the most dysfunctional civilization i have come across thanks to people like you.
Muslim Afghans rape and murder each other, therefore Sharia is a failure. False. crimes are committed and not an ounce of the criminals have had to worry about the consequences. i never said sharia was a failure, i said it's not applied with as much honesty as it should have been.
Secularism is a better solution than Sharia. i did not say that. Secularism provides Justice. False. if it did provide justice, afghanistan wouldn't be in the same mess today that it was in 10 years ago.


my objection to this article was simple. why is it that whenever our own faults are brought up in front of us, we run towards the stage and give out a long list of the wrong doings of the non muslims instead of providing answers for our own mistakes?? why should we waste our time over kate middleton'e friend's sex life or that of some immoral atheist somewhere out in the world rather than fixing our own issues??
you, unknown and some other people in here are simply playing a game with the west and the "kafirs". they hand pick our weaknesses and the faults of our people and use it against us, you do the same to them. they have made it to the point where they are taking over our country and you think throwing back insults at them by using the sex life of an atheist out there somewhere is the ultimate solution to that problem.
and then there are some of us here in the middle who are really really really fed up with both of you are very frustrated, not knowing what to do to get rid of either one of you. and because we are not with you, we are simply against you and are kafirs who are just ecstatic about the idea of a secularist afghanistan. yeah, **** off.

I have presented my premise for the support of each conclusions in previous posts.
Please provide valid arguments with supportable evidence...or just stop trolling and trying to save face. who do you suppose i am trying to save my face for in here?? i bought myself the freedom of not ever having to worry about my "face" in front of either one of you fine people in here when i said [---EDITED---] to every single one of you the very first time.

and while we are at it, what has your rationality given to anyone? isn't it just as useless as my "irrationality"?

[Alchemist]

"Yeah...[---EDITED---]" is a real show of your own civility and ability to have a meaningful dialogue.

If Afghanistan is a dysfunctional country, then which country isn't?
Where is this "middle" where are you are staying at?

I don't see why you are expressing outrage at the mention of atheist paedophilia and the elite of london having sex orgies, since these are the very same people perpetuating the false propaganda that has you thinking that we are the dysfunctional one.

Then again, you are the one who callously uses the word [---EDITED---] all the time and I am the shameless one? Do you know what that word even means?

Why don't you learn some manners and stop acting like some feral emo child.

[IamDZJ]

"Yeah...[---EDITED---]" is a real show of your own civility and ability to have a meaningful dialogue.

If Afghanistan is a dysfunctional country, then which country isn't?
Where is this "middle" where are you are staying at?

I don't see why you are expressing outrage at the mention of atheist paedophilia and the elite of london having sex orgies, since these are the very same people perpetuating the false propaganda that has you thinking that we are the dysfunctional one.

Then again, you are the one who callously uses the word [---EDITED---] all the time and I am the shameless one? Do you know what that word even means?

that phrase is an expression of extreme contempt. if you weren't so busy frying your brain with all the trash of keeping up with orgies and pedophiles and their dirty business, your first explanation for the phrase would have been the one i intended for, not the dirty one that popped up in your head.
don't change the subject.
once again, i don't care if the country where i live in is dysfunctional. i would like for the country to which i belong to to stop being dysfunctional so i can return to it as soon as possible.
Why don't you learn some manners and stop acting like some feral emo child. i don't feel like it. why don't you stop lying?

[Alchemist]

Your country will remain dysfunctional as long as it is occupied and influenced by the rest of the dysfunctional world.

[IamDZJ]

i blame you. thanks to your contribution towards that cause.