The Immorality of Child Abuse

[JAMALUDEEN]

alchemist you are a coward. As I said, I would like to see you follow sharia and wed off your daughter at 13. Same goes to jamalo and anyone else thinking I am insane for being against.

If your daughter at the age of 13, walks up to you one day and says..mommy.. i want to marry this 60 years old man?

would you still be against it? look..she has decided..

see how one sided your argument is...

[IamDZJ]

If your daughter at the age of 13, walks up to you one day and says..mommy.. i want to marry this 60 years old man?
would you still be against it? look..she has decided..
see how one sided your argument is...

my daughter is not marrying at the age of 13 no matter who decides. It's good to know how your brain works though. I have never come across a 13 year old who wanted to get married to anyone let alone a 60 year old man. No wonder it's so difficult to make you people understand.

[Alchemist]

If your daughter at the age of 13, walks up to you one day and says..mommy.. i want to marry this 60 years old man?

would you still be against it? look..she has decided..

see how one sided your argument is...

she is still not married her self...so God knows what age is actually appropriate for marriage for her then?

The average age of brides in canada is 31.5 years...so go figure.

What's better? Marry a man that will die soon at an early age...or have some permiscuous relationships with boys your own age that will last no longer than a fortnight? Hmm...what a moral dilemma.

[Alchemist]

my daughter is not marrying at the age of 13 no matter who decides. It's good to know how your brain works though. I have never come across a 13 year old who wanted to get married to anyone let alone a 60 year old man. No wonder it's so difficult to make you people understand.

yeah...because your hanging out with her maybe


Maury show: 13 year old says sex gives her more energy - YouTube

MAURY 13YR OLD HAD SEX WITH 15 GUYS - YouTube

oh there is more...

[IamDZJ]

There are two type of women who are married at a young age. The type that were forced in to it and the type that are afraid they will end up lonely once they age because no one would want them once the twinkle of youth leaves their eyes. I would appreciate it if you leave my personal life out of it alchemist.

I have told you that the alternative of a girl being married before the age of 16 in Afghanistan is not ending up in the same situations are the contestants of your favorite tv shows do. How difficult of a sentence is that to understand?? Take your mullah nasrudeen mentality to hell with you. You are saying girls in Afghanistan should be punished for a sin they might commit if they were to not be married before their brains fully develops.


If anything, feeding idiots to grow up and be so dumb should be a crime with a severe punishment.

[faye]

i love the way some of you guys know where to find all the crap youtubes. dead giveaway guys!!!

[Soldat_Amir]

Alchemist and Jamaludeen

Child abuse gets addressed in the west hence we have charities, groups and a well organised police force that protects children, on the other hand, Afghanistan and Pakistan has no real protection of children who are abused and you can see it for yourself when you walk on the streets.

Child brides are accepted in Afghanistan and Pakistan, actually by most of the Muslim world. Girls get forced to marry elderly men and killed if they are raped for bringing shame and dishonor.

The reason why your mother and father brought you to the west is so you can avoid it but instead Alchemist you defend the same abusive system while you sleep in your cosy bed and other peoples daughters are married off to men whom they have no relation nor understanding with.

[Afghanistan2010]

If your daughter at the age of 13, walks up to you one day and says..mommy.. i want to marry this 60 years old man?

would you still be against it? look..she has decided..

see how one sided your argument is...

Don't reply to the childish questioning,we had that numerous times , and she is repeating the same words over and over again to convince herself.

We have agreed that there is a problem,and it is a problem inside the mind of the people who do such things but she has no right to generalize it or proclaim it as problem of shariah while there is no shariah and to discuss this here is contrary to the topic of this thread.

And Soldat Amir is trollling again,with different topics.He is pretty much backward or he can't read thread titles.

I discuss men and women friendship he starts with abuse and rape cases in Afghanistan , Pakistan.

[JAMALUDEEN]

my daughter is not marrying at the age of 13 no matter who decides. It's good to know how your brain works though. I have never come across a 13 year old who wanted to get married to anyone let alone a 60 year old man. No wonder it's so difficult to make you people understand.

How does my brain work?

You don't make sense and you contradict what you said before.... you said.. give her a choice..and i gave you a possible scenario..where she is given the choice..then you disagree..again...

Like I told you before, there is a world outside of that little room you are hiding..in

[JAMALUDEEN]

Alchemist and Jamaludeen

Child abuse gets addressed in the west hence we have charities, groups and a well organised police force that protects children, on the other hand, Afghanistan and Pakistan has no real protection of children who are abused and you can see it for yourself when you walk on the streets.

Child brides are accepted in Afghanistan and Pakistan, actually by most of the Muslim world. Girls get forced to marry elderly men and killed if they are raped for bringing shame and dishonor.

The reason why your mother and father brought you to the west is so you can avoid it but instead Alchemist you defend the same abusive system while you sleep in your cosy bed and other peoples daughters are married off to men whom they have no relation nor understanding with.

Soldat Amir,

you are again speculating...

You think... that arrange marraige = forced = husband beats wife..

its like saying..

an 18 years old girl gets married and finds the love of her life, therefore her husband will not abuse her..what is the likelihood that she may end up with a wife beater? The probability is about the same..

Neither you... or this dazahrooclowness are married so you wouldn't know..what even marriage is.. let alone discuss it..

Most of your knowledge comes from movies and books such as twilight..and other crap...instead of coming here wasting our time.. go cheerlead for your teams..

And you know..well how our society is way different...than other societies..

DaZahroclowness..... work on your manners... you are not 12..i'm sure..

but when you curse.. you seem no older than 12.. I bet in reality .. you are just a quiet little soul..

[JAMALUDEEN]

There are two type of women who are married at a young age. The type that were forced in to it and the type that are afraid they will end up lonely once they age because no one would want them once the twinkle of youth leaves their eyes. I would appreciate it if you leave my personal life out of it alchemist.

I have told you that the alternative of a girl being married before the age of 16 in Afghanistan is not ending up in the same situations are the contestants of your favorite tv shows do. How difficult of a sentence is that to understand?? Take your mullah nasrudeen mentality to hell with you. You are saying girls in Afghanistan should be punished for a sin they might commit if they were to not be married before their brains fully develops.


If anything, feeding idiots to grow up and be so dumb should be a crime with a severe punishment.

are you really sure ..there are two types of women? What about the type of women who love women? What about the type of women ..who are into younger men (I'm not talking about faye)? What about the type...who end up no where in life..and try to spoil it for others? What about the bitchy type? What about the type who dont want to get married but want to spend their entire life with a man? What about the type.. who are retarded? etc..etc...

So thats it huh? 2 types...bunti aur bubli

Okay, so your argument is that their brains do not fully develop now? Seriously... Trying to save a face now...

[IamDZJ]

are you really sure ..there are two types of women? What about the type of women who love women? What about the type of women ..who are into younger men (I'm not talking about faye)? What about the type...who end up no where in life..and try to spoil it for others? What about the bitchy type? What about the type who dont want to get married but want to spend their entire life with a man? What about the type.. who are retarded? etc..etc...

So thats it huh? 2 types...bunti aur bubli

Okay, so your argument is that their brains do not fully develop now? Seriously... Trying to save a face now...
alright, don't worry. everything will be alright...i am here now. take a deep breath, drink a full glass of water and then get your behind back in your chair and finish reading the rest of that sentence.
in case you didn't notice, the second part of that sentence was "there are two type of women who are married at a young age." i didn't say there were two type of women, period. what about the rest of the types of women??
what about men who love other men or are rapists? child molesters?? killers?? what about them?? what are you trying to prove??
yes, the human brain is not fully developed until one reaches the age of 25 jamalo. and even by then some people don't learn how to use it properly.

How does my brain work? guaaaaa! don't bother...it hurts my brain to even think about it.

You don't make sense and you contradict what you said before.... you said.. give her a choice..and i gave you a possible scenario..where she is given the choice..then you disagree..again...yeah, when i said give her a choice, i didn't mean ask her if she wants to get married or to whom she wants to get married while she is 13. i meant, wait for her to grow up and then give her a choice.
honestly jamaludeen, i have never come across a girl who has wanted to be married at the age 13. and if i ever do come across one, i would most likely whack her on the head, not run over to the first man i can find and then get her married to him. i am not sure about you though....even those videos that alchemist posted were about girls who wanted to have sex with men. girls who were paid to participate in that show and claim they wanted to have sex with men. girls who were raised in a messed up society where it is okay for them go be hanging around with their "boyfriends" till the middle of the night as long as they get home at some point before morning.
that is not how it works for afghan girls. you guys make it seem like 13 year old afghan girls run towards the first sight of a man they see if they are not married by that age. which makes me wonder how awkward and difficult it must make you feel to be in the same room with your sister or daughter some day. it's like a pimple on your face that you desperately want to get rid of as soon as possible..
that is not right. if i was in power, i would seriously forbid some of you from having children. i would seriously not trust your type with a human life.
Like I told you before, there is a world outside of that little room you are hiding..in i am sorry, was i supposed to be standing somewhere in the yard with a red flag waving in my hand?? i am not hiding, i live in my room.

[JAMALUDEEN]

alright, don't worry. everything will be alright...i am here now. take a deep breath, drink a full glass of water and then get your behind back in your chair and finish reading the rest of that sentence.
in case you didn't notice, the second part of that sentence was "there are two type of women who are married at a young age." i didn't say there were two type of women, period. what about the rest of the types of women??
what about men who love other men or are rapists? child molesters?? killers?? what about them?? what are you trying to prove??
yes, the human brain is not fully developed until one reaches the age of 25 jamalo. and even by then some people don't learn how to use it properly.

You said.. "There are two type of women who are married at a young age."

Define what a woman is? its an adult..an adolescent..so i gave you a response to that..

you are changing goal posts...

At first you took the moral ground ..that it is wrong that a 13 years old marries an old.....even though alchemist proposed..that biologically speaking...a girl the age of 13 is ready to reproduce...so now.. you are taking the biological stance as well.. by saying that their brain hasnt developed yet..

you are just changing goal posts..and as i said..you are trying to save a face..by grabbing at whatever..excuse..you can find..

guaaaaa! don't bother...it hurts my brain to even think about it.

define hurt?

eah, when i said give her a choice, i didn't mean ask her if she wants to get married or to whom she wants to get married while she is 13. i meant, wait for her to grow up and then give her a choice.
honestly jamaludeen, i have never come across a girl who has wanted to be married at the age 13. and if i ever do come across one, i would most likely whack her on the head, not run over to the first man i can find and then get her married to him. i am not sure about you though....even those videos that alchemist posted were about girls who wanted to have sex with men. girls who were paid to participate in that show and claim they wanted to have sex with men. girls who were raised in a messed up society where it is okay for them go be hanging around with their "boyfriends" till the middle of the night as long as they get home at some point before morning.
that is not how it works for afghan girls. you guys make it seem like 13 year old afghan girls run towards the first sight of a man they see if they are not married by that age. which makes me wonder how awkward and difficult it must make you feel to be in the same room with your sister or daughter some day. it's like a pimple on your face that you desperately want to get rid of as soon as possible..
that is not right. if i was in power, i would seriously forbid some of you from having children. i would seriously not trust your type with a human life.
Like I told you before, there is a world outside of that little room you are hiding..in i am sorry, was i supposed to be standing somewhere in the yard with a red flag waving in my hand?? i am not hiding, i live in my room

so you want to take her right away now? see the contradiction in your argument...

Whats the difference between you..and the person who forces her to get married now.. both of you are imposing...what you think feels right..on someone... You want her to make a choice..make a decision..and then if she still wants to carry on with it.. you object.. as it doesn't fit in with your own little agenda...

Its like the criminal justice system.. in the UK.. where juveniles are put on anti social behavior orders... which further incriminates them..as it widens the net.... and as a result they are punished more harsher..

These are not simple issues, and while i do not agree with many issues that we have which are cultural...however.. i won't let you bash islam...through imposing western concepts of age legality over shariah..

If you were in power, you would take everyone rights away...therefore you are no better..

You argue for the sake of arguing..and you mistook the point alchemist was making when he posted the video...

[Alchemist]

^forbid us like you have forbidden yourself?

Our imaginary daughters are ok for you to talk about your out of bounds?

You define the wordy "batty".

"There are only 2 types of girls that get married young: retards and desperados...good girls are like me" Its called a FALSE DICHOTOMY! (google it...you are arguing with guys here...not your blonde hairdresser so I'd appreciate it if you could avoid the fallacies)

"You make it sound like 13 year olds will have sex with 200 men if they aren't married off young. Those girls are from a dysfunctional society....Afghanistan is a dysfunctional society...BUT the girls there don't want to get married...unless they are retards or desperados".

We should make a wall for you - Bibi DaZahrooJam's Wise Sayings: "Human brain isn't developed until 25 years of age"..

LOL

Yours maybe...

But regurlar folks can think critically and abstractly by age 11+...

you looney toon..

The point of the video was to show you that INDEPEDENTED minded 13 year old girls CAN and DO choose to be with men. Maybe...JUST maybe if they were from a dysfunctional society...they could be married off to a man...of their own choosing ...maybe he'll be 38 like Celine Dion's husband. And start a family...

You keep pulling crap out of thin air without any reference...where do you get all this from anyway? "Cosmopolitin"?

[IamDZJ]

jamaludeen i am not bashing islam, i am bashing you. i know better than blaming islam for your behaviour. don't flatter yourself. in my opinion, you stand very far away from islam regardless of what you claim.
define a woman for you so you could redefine it for me by squeesing in the translation of forming boobs in to the defination of womanhood?? a woman is not a woman until she has reached the age of 21. i know that because i went throught that phase and i realize how naive i was before that age and how my view of the people and things around me changed drastically. you probably started growing a beard around that time so you don't even have a clue as to what age a woman becomes a woman by. there are two type of women who get married at a young age and one type of a child that gets married at a young age. end of the story on that subject.
just because i said growing breasts is not a good enough of an excuse as to why someone should be married doesn't mean i boycott biology or the full growth of a brain. (i swear you people will give me a hemorrhage one of these days)

i don't want to define hurt.

so if i am telling a girl who is younger than 18 years of age to wait until she is older before she decides to get married, then i am contradicting myself because i too like those who are out to get her married at the age of 13 am imposing my views on her??
are mothers who are holding on to thier children's hands while crossing the road also imposing on their children? why shouldn't they let go of their child's hand and let him go off to where ever he wants to go?? so they are not just as evil and imposing as some stranger who might take away with the child and do with his future as he pleases?? what kind of an argument is this??
don't they hold on to their children because children don't know what is right or wrong for them until a certain age and then let them cross the road on their own??

i never bothered myself with alchemist's videos. i have raised four siblings from the ages of 6 to 18 and not once have i felt as frustrated with either one of them as i have been feeling with the two of you the last four days. if there are 4 other idiots like you out there then there is no point. afghanistan is not going to be fixed any time soon. we are doomed.

and please, don't remove the font color or quotations from my posts when you reply to them the way i reply to yours. i do it because it's clear with my font color as to where i start and where you end. it's confusing when you do it.