Wahabism and Misyar

[Pakhtun_Policy]

1. It's hypocritical of you to call wahabis "takfeeris" when here you yourself are calling others "deviant" (and hence you become a "takfeeri" aka wahabi) LOL, sorry I just find this funny.

2. AHLE SUNNA are on haq? Okay, awesome. Could you tell me the criteria of being "AHLE SUNNI" (i.e. what makes one Sunni)? I have a few more questions if you don't mind answering the ones I already asked.

The Holy Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) left us a set of rules and guidelines.He (pbuh) told us :

"I have left two things behind me for you (the Ummah). You will never go astray as long as you follow these two things. One of these two things is Allah's Holy Book (the Holy Quran) and the other is the Sunnah of his Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam)." (Muwatta Imam Malik)

Follow the way of the largest group of Muslims! For, he who deviates from this group will be thrown into Hell!" (Ibn Majah)

"Seventy-two (of the 73 sects of the Muslim nation) will be in the fire, and only one will be in Paradise; it is the Jama'ah (i.e. Ahle Sunnah Wa Jamaah)." (Abi Dawud, Ad-Darimi, Ahmad)

There is another narration which states: "The Companions asked: 'Which sect will triumph (i.e. achieve salvation)?' The Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) replied: 'The sect which adheres to that (set of beliefs and practices) which I and my Companions adhere to.'"

http://www.nooremadinah.net/Document...tWalJamaat.asp


The following is the beliefs of AHLE SUNNAT WAL JAMAT :

Believes of the Ahle-Sunnah Wal Jamaat (58)


The above were exactly the same BELIEFS of the SAHABAH. If you dont follow those beliefs, then you are a deviant. Last I checked the wahabis do not follow that set of beliefs,therefore they are deviants. So are you Shias.

OPINION OF GREAT SCHOLARS AND SAINTS

1. Ghousal Azam, Hazrat Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani (radi allahu anhu) states: "There are 73 groups as foretold by Sayyiduna Rasoolallah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) and (bear in mind that), the Ahle Sunnat wal Jamaat was the rightful group". (Ghunyatut Taalibeen)
2. Imam Ghazzali (radi Allahu anhu) writes: "The Ahle Sunnat Wal Jammat is the successful Firqah (group) and it is this Firqa which weighs or determines its thoughts and its according to the scales of the Holy Quran". (Mujarribaate Imam Ghazal)
3. Shah Abdul Aziz Muhaddith Dehlawi (radi Allahu anhu) states in his book "Fatawa Azeezi" (Vol. 2, pg. 4) that: "The various parts of the Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat in Aqaa'id such as the Ash'ariya, the Maaturadi, in Fiqh such as the Hanifa, the Shafi'i, the Hambali, in Tassawwaf such as the Qaaderi, the Chisti, Naqshabandi, the Suhurwardi, this servant considers all of them to be the truth".

[Pakhtun_Policy]

anyway Id be more concerned with the abuse that goes on of little children by so called "pirs" that u ppl are so in favour of....

First of all those people that you call " pirs" who are abusing small children , are in fact not Pirs. True Pirs do not abuse small kids.

You should rather be worried about your own shia imams who sexually abuse kids. Here is what your khomini was doing to to small kids:

YouTube - Khomeini Sexually Assaulting Crying and screaming 4 year old Girl - with parental consent


Here you can read from Khoeminis book refrences where he says its ok to have sex with ANIMALS..ASTAGHFIRULLAH:


Khomeini's Teachings on sex with infants and animals

[unknownprince]

Pakhtun policy,

even if what you are showing is true, there exists nutcases in all religions. By no means do these few nuts represent the religion as a whole.

[Fahd]

Do you even know what that is? When I get time, I will try to MAKE you understand what that is, with the aid of SAHI AL BUKHARI. For now I will just leave with "HALALA", *tanga* *tanga*, rings any bells?
And here I was thinking you guys were different from "wahabis", but never mind, same ignoramuses, akhir da yow sangai (branch) guluna yo kana.

hahahaha OMG !!!!!
r u shiite ?
LOL

First of all those people that you call " pirs" who are abusing small children , are in fact not Pirs. True Pirs do not abuse small kids.

You should rather be worried about your own shia imams who sexually abuse kids. Here is what your khomini was doing to to small kids:


Here you can read from Khoeminis book refrences where he says its ok to have sex with ANIMALS..ASTAGHFIRULLAH:


Khomeini's Teachings on sex with infants and animals

OMG !!! dreamer is shiite too ?????
huh??
omg !!!!!
shiite hahaha (when i say shiite i can't stop ma self from loughing !! sorry hahaha )
shiite imam can't give u aproof always when u aske him aproof from quran or hadith he's give u a story ahahahahaha or give u poomes hahahaha or tell u ali said .... hahahaha
feel sorry about shiite life ?? how the hell can u belive in this mutah **** hahaha i would love to become shiite for hour (astghferallah im jokeing )

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

Yeah I know what HALALA is , but if you are even thinking about comparing MUTAH ( temporarily marriage to have sexual pleasure with a women i.e prostitution,for a time limit) with Halala, then you need to check your brains.

I don't need to check my "brains", but I will take your advice under consideration nonetheless. But why would I even think of comparing Nikah Al muttah (HALAL) with HALALA (the real prostitution)? You say mutah is prostitution? If so, then that means that those of your "holy" Sahabas who indulged in Nikah al Muttah during the times of Prophet (SAW) committed adultery, as proven from this narration from "sahi" Bukhari:
Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139:

Narrated Abdullah:
We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the Prophet ). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving her even a garment, and then he recited: "O you who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you."

Here is the source go check it


By attributing Nikah Al Mutah to prostitution are you saying that the Prophet(SAW) ordered his companions (RA) to indulge in adultery (mazallah), as is evident from the above narration?
Don't tell me that this narration is "zaeef".



Here is another narration about Nikah al Muttah; Nikah Al Mutah was done during the lifetime of the Prophet (SAW), reign of Abu Bakr and Umar:
Sahi Muslim Book 008, Number 3248:

Ibn Uraij reported: 'Ati' reported that jibir b. Abdullah came to perform 'Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about different things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifetime of theHoly Prophet (may peace be upon him) and during the tinie of Abi! Bakr and 'Umar.

Here is the source


Here another narration proving that Mutah was done in the time of Prophet (SAW), this one is from Sahi Muslim:
Sahi muslim Book 008, Number 3243:

Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported: We were on an expedition with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and we had no women with us. We said: Should we not have ourselves castrated? He (the Holy Prophet) forbade us to do so He then granted us permission that we should contract temporary marriage for a stipulated period giving her a garment, and 'Abdullah then recited this verse: 'Those who believe do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, and do not transgress. Allah does not like trangressers" (al-Qur'an, v. 87).

Here is the source


So Nikah Al Mutah, or in your words "prostitution" (MAZALLAH), was allowed in the lifetime of the Prophet (SAW), Abu Bakr (Caliph), and Umar (Caliph), then who are you to say otherwise? Surely, who ever banned Nikah Al Muttah reverted from the laws set forth by the Prophet (SAW) and Allah, and surely his (I am sure you know who this person is ;]) abode will be in Hell. All of these narrations are from your "SAHI" books. The same narrations have been repeated many times proving their authenticity. So Mr. Pakhtun_policy, are the words of your "era ghera" pirs more authoritative than those of the Prophet(SAW)?

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

hahahaha OMG !!!!!
r u shiite ?
LOL

Why, were you sleeping all this time, don't you know that I am a hardcore Shia MUSLIM, Alhamdolillah.

[Fahd]

Why, were you sleeping all this time, don't you know that I am a hardcore Shia MUSLIM, Alhamdolillah.

LOL
hummm im sunni alhmdolilah
so can i ask u alot of questions ?
mybe i will becom shiite if u make me belive ur shia deen ?
do u belive what quran said ?
what hadith said ?
and what u think about mutah ?
do u like mutah ?
do u love watch ur family do mutah ?
propht mohammed was shiite ??
ali was shiite ?
i have alot of questions
i will ask u more

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

The Holy Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) left us a set of rules and guidelines.He (pbuh) told us :

"I have left two things behind me for you (the Ummah). You will never go astray as long as you follow these two things. One of these two things is Allah's Holy Book (the Holy Quran) and the other is the Sunnah of his Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam)." (Muwatta Imam Malik)

Muwatta? Read Sahi Muslim:
Sahi Muslim Book 031, Number 5920:

Yazid b. Hayyan reported, I went along with Husain b. Sabra and 'Umar b. Muslim to Zaid b. Arqam and, as we sat by his side, Husain said to him: Zaid. you have been able to acquire a great virtue that you saw Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) listened to his talk, fought by his side in (different) battles, offered prayer behind me. Zaid, you have in fact earned a great virtue. Zaid, narrate to us what you heard from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). He said: I have grown old and have almost spent my age and I have forgotten some of the things which I remembered in connection with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), so accept whatever I narrate to you, and which I do not narrate do not compel me to do that. He then said: One day Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up to deliver sermon at a watering place known as Khumm situated between Mecca and Medina. He praised Allah, extolled Him and delivered the sermon and. exhorted (us) and said: Now to our purpose. O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family. He (Husain) said to Zaid: Who are the members of his household? Aren't his wives the members of his family? Thereupon he said: His wives are the members of his family (but here) the members of his family are those for whom acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. And he said: Who are they? Thereupon he said: 'Ali and the offspring of 'Ali, 'Aqil and the offspring of 'Aqil and the offspring of Ja'far and the offspring of 'Abbas. Husain said: These are those for whom the acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. Zaid said: Yes.

Two things: Quran and the Holy Household of the Prophet(SAW). Not your "era ghera". Now, tell me if all the sects except one will go to jahanum, and according to you, the one that will go to Jannah will be the one who followed the Prophet(SAW) and the Sunnah of his companions, then if Ahle Sunnah (although I dont know who exclusively is included in this) are the one who will go to janna, then where will the rest of the "sunni" sects go to? Don't the Wahabis, deobandis, brelvis, qadris, ahle hadeeth follow Sahaba? Matter of fact, wahabis are die hard followers of "companions" to the point that they even respect yazeed (LA) because he happened to the the son of a "caliph". So where will these sects go to, they all follow Prophet (SAW) and his companion? Here the vagueness in your argument is exposed. The real narration is that the sect that will go to Jannah is the sect that will follow Quran and the Ahlulbait of the Prophet(SAW), as is shown in the above narration. No one follow Ahlulbait as much as Shian E Ali (AS). All of your Sunni sects have 99% in common, so if one were to go to Jannah then all of the rest must all go to Jannah because as I said all of the "sunni" sects have 99% common beliefs, especially their beliefs about the "companions". Which, looking at the 73-sects narration, is not possible. So what does that leave you with? The Shias, Alhamdolillah.

I don't really have time right now or I would have gone in much details of this topic and Nikkah Al Muttah, but I provided enough material to disprove your absurd claim. Please do not reply with copy-paste answer; only your own answer will be read. I will try to post an article regarding Nikah Al Muttah in another thread soon, Inshallah.

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

LOL
hummm im sunni alhmdolilah
so can i ask u alot of questions ?
mybe i will becom shiite if u make me belive ur shia deen ?
do u belive what quran said ?
what hadith said ?
and what u think about mutah ?
do u like mutah ?
do u love watch ur family do mutah ?
propht mohammed was shiite ??
ali was shiite ?
i have alot of questions
i will ask u more

Go on ask, and see if I give a damn to any of your "questions"
Sa poishwe zargia.

[Fahd]

hahahaha
i asked u ????
i know alot of things more than
belive me LOL

[Pakhtun_Policy]

Brother FAHD, most of the " BANGASH" Pakhtuns are shias. They are mostly found in Kohat areas..

[Fahd]

thats relly sad !!!
do u know that shiite imam's when give a lessone to lil shiite (who want to become imam )
they told him if sunni imam ask u diffcult questions u should start screm and Dodge him all the time
LOL
and thats relly happen all the time u can see what he wrote to me
there was a program in tv and shiite imam talk with sunni imam
then someone shiite call the program in live
he said that he's become sunni because sunni give us aproof from quran and hadith always but our shiite imam give us pomes and story like proofs LOL and if he's don't have any STORY he s start screm in this sunni imam face and Dodge

i know ma english still bad

[Pakhtun_Policy]

I don't need to check my "brains", but I will take your advice under consideration nonetheless. But why would I even think of comparing Nikah Al muttah (HALAL) with HALALA (the real prostitution)? You say mutah is prostitution? If so, then that means that those of your "holy" Sahabas who indulged in Nikah al Muttah during the times of Prophet (SAW) committed adultery, as proven from this narration from "sahi" Bukhari:
Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139:

Narrated Abdullah:
We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the Prophet ). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving her even a garment, and then he recited: "O you who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you."

Here is the source go check it


By attributing Nikah Al Mutah to prostitution are you saying that the Prophet(SAW) ordered his companions (RA) to indulge in adultery (mazallah), as is evident from the above narration?
Don't tell me that this narration is "zaeef".



Here is another narration about Nikah al Muttah; Nikah Al Mutah was done during the lifetime of the Prophet (SAW), reign of Abu Bakr and Umar:
Sahi Muslim Book 008, Number 3248:

Ibn Uraij reported: 'Ati' reported that jibir b. Abdullah came to perform 'Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about different things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifetime of theHoly Prophet (may peace be upon him) and during the tinie of Abi! Bakr and 'Umar.

Here is the source


Here another narration proving that Mutah was done in the time of Prophet (SAW), this one is from Sahi Muslim:
Sahi muslim Book 008, Number 3243:

Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported: We were on an expedition with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and we had no women with us. We said: Should we not have ourselves castrated? He (the Holy Prophet) forbade us to do so He then granted us permission that we should contract temporary marriage for a stipulated period giving her a garment, and 'Abdullah then recited this verse: 'Those who believe do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, and do not transgress. Allah does not like trangressers" (al-Qur'an, v. 87).

Here is the source


So Nikah Al Mutah, or in your words "prostitution" (MAZALLAH), was allowed in the lifetime of the Prophet (SAW), Abu Bakr (Caliph), and Umar (Caliph), then who are you to say otherwise? Surely, who ever banned Nikah Al Muttah reverted from the laws set forth by the Prophet (SAW) and Allah, and surely his (I am sure you know who this person is ;]) abode will be in Hell. All of these narrations are from your "SAHI" books. The same narrations have been repeated many times proving their authenticity. So Mr. Pakhtun_policy, are the words of your "era ghera" pirs more authoritative than those of the Prophet(SAW)?

The concept of SHIA MUTAH is PROSTITUTION !

And what SAHABAH practiced at that time was something that was allowed for a while until it was banned by the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and those among authority ( Hazrat Omar).


What you should understand and as well as others is that the only reason some Sahabah might have done Mutah in the time of the Caliphs is all due to that all the Sahabah didnt live in one city or one place. Once Sahabah learnt Islam and becoem muslims they spread throughout the world. At that time distances were covered in weeks or months.

Example:

One /more Sahabah who lived in Madinah /Makkah practiced Mutah when it was legal ,he/they migrated to Yemen or another country or within the country far way from Madinah/Makkah, how would he know later that Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) had banned it if he wasnt present with the Prophet Mohammad(pbuh) at the time of banning it? Because at that time there were no telephones or internet communication as to inform of the update on the ban of Mutah.

So in that case the Sahabah /Sahabahs who wasnt in MAdina/Makkah but living other places would still do that practice until they would come to Madinah and when Hazrat Omar would know of them that they were doing still a banned practice ,he would ban it on them immediately ,and correct them and informing them of its ban done by the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). Remember Hazrat Omar R.A was a very pious and wise Sahabah that is why Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) said:

"If there was a Prophet after me, then it would be 'Umar"(Narrated by Al-Tirmidhi, vol. 2, pg. 293, and he said it was Hasan; (narrated) by Al-Haakim, vol. 3, pg. 85 and he said it was SaHeeH




So either way you look at it MUTAH is banned. Wether you like it or not. And as I asked one of the other Shias . Would you like it that someone made Mutah to ur sister for a week ,enjoying her and then give her talaq , so the next man can do the same thing to her? No I dont think so. I think you know how degrading that is to a woman.How hurthful it is to her feelings beeing "used" by a man/men for a small time .

[Pakhtun_Policy]

thats relly sad !!!
do u know that shiite imam's when give a lessone to lil shiite (who want to become imam )
they told him if sunni imam ask u diffcult questions u should start screm and Dodge him all the time
LOL
and thats relly happen all the time u can see what he wrote to me
there was a program in tv and shiite imam talk with sunni imam
then someone shiite call the program in live
he said that he's become sunni because sunni give us aproof from quran and hadith always but our shiite imam give us pomes and story like proofs LOL and if he's don't have any STORY he s start screm in this sunni imam face and Dodge

i know ma english still bad

Yes, I know shia Imam starts dancing and beating them selves like crazy .Look at this shia imam:

YouTube - Shia Party At The Mosque

[Fahd]

hahahaha naaas meh khog showh hahaha
thats not islam

how ur mind (shiite )can accepet this like a religine ??????