Some AuliaAllah from Around the World

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[شمله ور خراساني]

How do you know that they are awliya? Are you allah who knows who is and who is not a waliullah?

Or did these people claim to be awliya?

In quran no where does it say that some people are wali others are not and it is up to people to decide who is and who is not a wali.

Being a wali is something between a person and his rab. It is not something that people claim for themselves and start demanding prostrations and money from their blind followers.

This Sufi culture of wali-worshiping is nothing but hinduism in disguise. These Sufis who are obsessed with their walis are just regular hindus. No distinction between the two.

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HOW TO RECOGNISE A WALI

The method of recognizing a Wali and a non-Wali is to rectify one’s heart and mind, and to adopt his company. Thereafter if you find that his company generates the thought and love of Allah in your heart, then he is a Wali. On the contrary, if the heart indulges in worldly thought, then he is not a Wali, because it is said, “The heart is a mirror of another heart”.


Imam Nawawi Radi Allahu Anhu, and also Ibn Maja Radi Allahu Anhu report that when Rasoolallah (Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam) was asked about the characteristics of the Awliya, he declared, “Allah is remembered when they are seen.”





Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab (RA):

reported the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) as saying: There are people from the servants of Allah who are neither prophets nor martyrs; the prophets and martyrs will envy them on the Day of Resurrection for their rank from Allah, the Most High.

They (the people) asked: Tell us, Apostle of Allah, who are they? He replied: They are people who love one another for the spirit of Allah (i.e. the Qur'an), without having any mutual kinship and giving property to one. I swear by Allah, their faces will glow and they will be (sitting) in (pulpits of) light. They will have no fear (on the Day) when the people will have fear, and they will not grieve when the people will grieve.

He then recited the following Qur'anic verse: "Behold! Verily for the friends of Allah (AuliaAllah)there is no fear, nor shall they grieve." (Surah Yunus:62)

(Abu Dawud: Book 23 : Hadith 3520)

[شمله ور خراساني]

HOW TO RECOGNISE A WALI

The method of recognizing a Wali and a non-Wali is to rectify one’s heart and mind, and to adopt his company. Thereafter if you find that his company generates the thought and love of Allah in your heart, then he is a Wali. On the contrary, if the heart indulges in worldly thought, then he is not a Wali, because it is said, “The heart is a mirror of another heart”.


Imam Nawawi Radi Allahu Anhu, and also Ibn Maja Radi Allahu Anhu report that when Rasoolallah (Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam) was asked about the characteristics of the Awliya, he declared, “Allah is remembered when they are seen.”





Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab (RA):

reported the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) as saying: There are people from the servants of Allah who are neither prophets nor martyrs; the prophets and martyrs will envy them on the Day of Resurrection for their rank from Allah, the Most High.

They (the people) asked: Tell us, Apostle of Allah, who are they? He replied: They are people who love one another for the spirit of Allah (i.e. the Qur'an), without having any mutual kinship and giving property to one. I swear by Allah, their faces will glow and they will be (sitting) in (pulpits of) light. They will have no fear (on the Day) when the people will have fear, and they will not grieve when the people will grieve.

He then recited the following Qur'anic verse: "Behold! Verily for the friends of Allah (AuliaAllah)there is no fear, nor shall they grieve." (Surah Yunus:62)

(Abu Dawud: Book 23 : Hadith 3520)

So what? we could apply this to allot of people. Why should we believe that these heretics and these hindus in disguise are closer to allah than regular average muslims who do not claim to be holy nor do they collect money from their followers.

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So what? we could apply this to allot of people. Why should we believe that these heretics and these hindus in disguise are closer to allah than regular average muslims who do not claim to be holy nor do they collect money from their followers.

SubhanAllah!, "you are dumb,deaf and blind".

The Prophet(pbuh) mentioned a certain category of people who fits into the category of beeing "friend of Allah". Not everyone fits into this category. These people are special people.Therefore in Hadiths its been specified even more who these people are.

‘Abdullah ibn Mas’ud radiyallahu ta'ala 'anhu narrates that Rasulullah sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam said:

“There are 300 friends of Allah in the creation whose hearts are like that of Prophet Adam ‘alaihis salam. There are 40 whose hearts are similar to the heart of Musa ‘alaihis salam and 7 whose hearts are similar to the heart of Ibrahim ‘alaihis salam. There are 5 whose hearts are like that of Jibra’il and 3 whose hearts are like that of Mika’il and one whose heart is like the heart of Israfil. When he (whose heart is like Israfil) dies, then one of the three whose heart is like Mika’il replaces him and one of the five (whose hearts are like Jibra’il) replaces him. One of the seven replaces one of the five, one of the forty replaces one of the seven and one of the three-hundred replaces one of the forty and a normal Muslim replaces one of the three-hundred. It is due to these 356 awliya that creation are given life and killed, due to them rain falls, vegetation grows and difficulties are removed”.( Imam Abu Nu’ayn al-Isfahani in his Hilyat ul-Awliya (The Beauty of the Saints) and mentioned by Imam ibn Asakir)

In Tasawwuf we learn:

• At any given time, there are 124000 Awliya living on Earth. They are not recognized by the general public. In fact, amongst them, one does not know the other depending on their spiritual rank, and some of them are themselves not aware of the validity of their actions and devotion.
• 300 from this group are statesman, involved in the administration of this world. They control all transactions that take place. They are known as the “Akhyaar”.
• Amongst these 300, 40 are known as “Abdaal”.
• Amongst the 40, 7 are “Abraar”.
• Amongst this 7, 4 are “Autaad”.
• Amongst these 4, 3 are “Noqabah”.
• From these 3, 1 is the “Ghaus” or “Qutub”. He is the most senior of them all, and head of the spiritual assembly.

Sheikh Abdul Qadir al-Jilani (Rahimuhullah) is amongst those scholars who is respected highly by all Muslim thinkers. Sheikh Abdul Qadir al Jilani (Rahimuhullah) in the book attributed to him i.e. Al-Ghuniya tut Talibeen did not dedicate one page, nor 20 nor a chapter rather dedicated the last whole section to “Tassawuf” and praised Sufis immensely, he also advocated to have followed their path himself (rather is amongst the greatest Sufis known to Muslim Ummah)



3. Sheikh Abdul Qadir al Jilani (Rahimuhullah) In beginning of Section 5 writes on Page No. 449:

The Truthful Fuqara are those people who walk the path of Sufis, They clean themselves from the evil desires. They are amongst the Abdaal and Awliya… [Al-Ghuniya Tut Talibi Fi Tariq al Haqq, Page No. 449]

Hadiths on Abdals on below link:
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http://ahlussunnahwaljamah.blogspot.com/

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Kiramat (Miracles) Of AULIAE KIRAM ( Sufis)


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[Abu Hurayrah]

The aqtaab and abdaal in Sufi thought

I have heard and read about what are known as abdaal and aqtaab etc. Do they really exist amongst us? Is the hadeeth, “Do not revile the people of Syria, for there are abdaal among them” saheeh or not?.

Praise be to Allaah. Firstly:
According to Ahl al-Sunnah, the wali (in the sense of being a close friend of Allaah) is as defined by Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, in His holy Book, where He says (interpretation of the meaning):
“No doubt! Verily, the Awliya’ of Allaah, no fear shall come upon them nor shall they grieve.
63. Those who believed, and used to fear Allaah much (by abstaining from evil deeds and sins and by doing righteous deeds).
64. For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present world, and in the Hereafter. No change can there be in the Words of Allaah. This is indeed the supreme success”
[Yoonus 10:62-64]
This verse states that the wali (close friend) of Allaah is the pious believer who fears Allaah, who loves Allaah and supports His Religion, and seeks to please Him, who adheres to the limits He has set and supports His law and His religion. He is one of the slaves of Allaah, and is not beyond His control and authority, rather he does not even have the power to benefit or harm himself, and he does not know what Allaah has decreed for him. This is the wali of Allaah according to Ahl al-Sunnah.
The way in which a person may attain the status of being a wali is to perform obligatory duties, then start to perform naafil acts of worship until Allaah loves him, then when He loves him, he will be a true wali of His. In the saheeh hadeeth it says:
“When Allaah loves a person, He calls Jibreel (A) and says: ‘I love So and so, so love him.’ So Jibreel loves him, then he calls out to the people of heaven, ‘Allaah loves So and so, so love him.’ So the people of heaven love him and he finds acceptance on earth”


Narrated by Muslim (2637)


Secondly:
With regard to the definition of the wali among the Sufis, it has another, innovated meaning that is different from that understood by Ahl al-Sunnah. Among them the wali of Allaah is one who has been chosen by Allaah, even if he does not have the characteristics of righteousness and piety that qualify him to be loved by Allaah. The status of wali, in their view, is a kind of divine gift that is given for no reason and with no wisdom. Hence they believe that some wrongdoers, evildoers, insane and immoral people etc are awliya’ simply because they perform extraordinary feats, such as hitting their bodies with knives, playing with snakes and fire, and so on. They even include among their awliya’ people who drink alcohol and commit zina, and they say: The true wali can never be affected by sin.


And they do not stop there in their definition of a wali; rather they say that the wali controls the universe; he says to a thing “Be!” and it is. In their view, every wali has been appointed by Allaah to control some aspect of creation. Four awliya’ are holding the earth by its four corners, and they are called al-awtaad (lit. tent pegs). Seven other awliya’ each control one of the seven continents of the world, and they are called al-abdaal (because when one of them dies, another takes his place – badalahu). There are a number of awliya’ in each region: thirty or forty in Egypt, and a similar number in Syria and Iraq, each of whom is appointed in charge of something. Above all of them is one wali who is called the al-qutb al-akbar (lit. great pole or axis) or al-ghawth (source of help), and he is the one who is running the affairs of the entire realm.



Thus they believe in an unseen realm which controls the affairs of mankind like a political state. This state is led by the qutb or ghawth, followed by two imams or ministers, then the four awtaad, then the seven abdaal.
This is the concept of awliya’ according to the Sufis, and it has nothing to do with the



Islamic concept of awliya’ that is mentioned in the Qur’aan. The wali in Islam is a person whom Allaah has guided and helped, and he has earned his Lord’s pleasure by following the rules of His sharee’ah; he fears that he may fall into hypocrisy and meet a bad end, and he does not know whether Allaah will accept his deeds or not. Whereas they have given the Sufi wali divine characteristics by means of which he controls some aspect of the universe, and he ignores whatever he wants of the laws of Allaah, and the angels are subject to his will.




The basic principles of Sufi concept of awliya’ are taken from ancient Greek philosophy

which is based on the idea of polytheism. The first one to propose the idea of the Sufi concept of awliya’ at the end of the third century AH was Muhammad ibn ‘Ali ibn al-Hasan al-Tirmidhi, whom they call al-Hakeem (the wise). He is not the same as the imam who wrote the well known collection of hadeeth which is called Sunan al-Tirmidhi. Then after that their views became well known and the books of their leaders are filled with these ideas. If we start reporting all that they have said about this issue and all their false notions, it would take too long. But so that no one will think that we are attributing to them things that are not true, there follow the names of some of their sources, and you will find that what we have mentioned is the least abhorrent of their ideas. See: al-Futoohaat al-Makkiyyah by Ibn ‘Arabi (2/455, 537); al-Yawaaqeet wa’l-Jawaahir by ‘Abd al-Wahhaab al-Sha’raani (2/79); al-Mu’jam al-Sufi by Su’aad al-Hakeem (189-191, 909-913). For references of Ahl al-Sunnah see: al-Fikr al-Sufi by Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ‘Abd al-Khaaliq (343-383).




Thirdly:
The hadeeth mentioned by the questioner is a da’eef (weak) hadeeth, which is not saheeh at all. There is nothing narrated via any saheeh isnaad which mentions any of the degrees of awliya’ as known to the Sufis.
Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Manaar al-Muneef (136):
The ahaadeeth about the adbaal, aqtaab, aghwaath, nuqaba’, nujaba’ and awtaad are all falsely attributed to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The closest of them is the hadeeth which says “Do not revile the people of Syria, for among them there are abdaal; every time one of them dies, Allaah replaces him with another man.” This was narrated by Ahmad, but it is not saheeh either, because it is munqati’. End quote.




For more information on the ahaadeeth which have been narrated concerning that and an explanation of why they are da’eef please see al-Maqaalaat al-Qisaar by Abu Muhammad al-Alfi (69-81).
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about the hadeeth that was narrated about the abdaal – was it saheeh or munqati’, and were the abdaal only in Syria or were there abdaal wherever Islam was established according to the Qur’aan and Sunnah, in Syria and elsewhere? Was it true that a wali could be present among a group although his body was absent? What did the ‘ulama’ say about the names used by some of those who claim to be religious and virtuous, and who say this is Ghawth al-Aghwaath, this is Qutub al-Aqtaab, this is Qutub al-‘Aalam, this is al-Qutub al-Kabeer, this is Khaatim al-Awliya’?
He (may Allaah have mercy on him) replied:


As for the names that are in circulation among many of the pious people and common folk, such as the ghawth who is in Makkah, the four awtaad, the seven aqtaab, the forty abdaal and the three hundred nujuba’, these are names that are not found in the Book of Allaah, nor are they narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) via any saheeh or da’eef isnaad, except the word abdaal, concerning whom there is a Syrian hadeeth whose isnaad is munqati’; it is narrated from ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him) and attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), that he said: “…for among them [the people of Syria] there are abdaal; every time one of them dies, Allaah replaces him with another man.” These names are not found in the words of the salaf in the manner mentioned there, nor are they narrated in this manner and with these meanings from the Shaykhs who are accepted by the ummah in general. They are narrated in this form from some of the middle shaykhs, who mentioned them either quoting from others or without confirming (that they are true). As for the phrase al-Ghawth and al-Ghiyaath, no one deserves this title except Allaah, who is the helper of those who seek help (ghiyaath al-mustagheetheen), so it is not permissible for anyone to seek help from anyone else, not from any angel who is close to Him or from any Prophet who was sent. Whoever claims that the people of earth can refer their concerns, such as asking to be spared harm or asking for mercy from the three hundred, and the three hundred refer that to the seventy, and the seventy refer that to the forty, and the forty refer that to the seven, and the seven refer that to the four, and the four refer that to al-ghawth, then he is a liar who has gone astray and is a mushrik. And Allaah tells us about the mushrikeen (interpretation of the meaning):
“And when harm touches you upon the sea, those that you call upon vanish from you except Him (Allaah Alone)”
[al-Isra’ 17:67]

“Is not He (better than your gods) Who responds to the distressed one, when he calls on Him”
[al-Naml 27:62]

How can the believers refer their concerns via many intermediaries when Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them by My Knowledge). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me (without any mediator or intercessor). So let them obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be led aright”
[al-Baqarah 2:186]


All the Muslims know that neither the common folk of the Muslims nor their well known shaykhs conveyed their concerns to Allaah, whether outwardly or inwardly, via these intermediaries. Exalted be Allaah above any resemblance to His creations such as kings, and far above what the wrongdoers say. This is akin to the Raafidi claim that in every age there must be an infallible imam who is the proof of Allaah (Hujjat-Allaah) against those who are accountable, and that perfect faith cannot be attained otherwise. Rather this sequence and number of intermediaries is in some ways like the Ismaili and Nusayri etc belief in intermediaries (such as al-saabiq, al-taali, al-naatiq, al-asaas, al-jasad, etc) for which Allaah has not sent down any authority.
With regard to the awtaad, some say that So and so is one of the awtaad, meaning thereby that by means of him Allaah establishes faith and religious commitment in the hearts of those whom Allaah has guided through him, just as the earth is made firm by its “pegs” (mountains). This meaning applies to every scholar who met this description. Every person by means of whom knowledge and faith became established among the masses is like the awtaad and great mountains. Whoever has less knowledge is a lesserk inf of watad. But that is not limited to four or more or less than that, rather limiting the number to four is akin to the astrologers’ idea that the earth should have four awtaad.

With regard to the qutub, this is also found in their words: So and so is one of the aqtaab, or So and so is a qutub. Everyone who is the focal point of some religious or worldly matter, whether secretly or openly or outward, is the qutub and focal point of that matter. This is not limited to seven or more or less than that. But the one who is praiseworthy in this regard is one who is a focal point for maintaining soundness in religious and worldly matters, not simply maintaining soundness worldly matters. This is the qutub according to them.
The same applies to the word badal, which is mentioned by many of them.


With regard to the marfoo’ hadeeth, it is most likely that these are not the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), for faith existed in the Hijaaz and Yemen before the conquest of Syria. Syria and Iraq were kaafir lands, then during the caliphate of ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him), it was proven that he (peace be upon him) said: “A group will split away from the main body of the Muslims and they will be fought by the one of the two groups that is closer to the truth.” ‘Ali and his companions were closer to the truth than the people of Syria who fought them. It is well known that those of the Sahaabah who were with ‘Ali, such as ‘Ammaar ibn Yaasir, Sahl ibn Hunayf and the like, were better than those who were with Mu’aawiyah. So how can it be believed that all the abdaal, who are the best of creation, were all in Syria? This is definitely false, even though there are well known reports which speak of the virtue of Syria and its people, because everything has its own characteristics and limits. One should only speak on the basis of knowledge and justice.
Those who speak of the badal explain it in several ways, such as saying that they are substitutes for the Prophets, or that every time one of them dies, Allaah replaces him with another man, or that they change their bad attitudes, deeds and beliefs into good ones. None of these characteristics can be limited to four people or more or less than that, or to the people of one region of the earth. End quote from Majmoo’ Fataawa Ibn Taymiyah (11/433-444)

Fourthly:


It is mentioned in the words of some of the salaf and some of the later scholars: So and so is one of the abdaal. For example, in al-Tareekh al-Kabeer by al-Bukhaari (7/127), in the biography of Farwah ibn Mujaalid, it says: They did not doubt that he was one of the abdaal. End quote. As narrated by al-Daaraqutni in al-‘Ilal (6/29), Imam Ahmad said: If anyone in Iraq was one of the abdaal, it was Abu Ishaaq Ibraaheem ibn Haani’. End quote.
But they did not mean thereby what the Sufis mean in their innovated baatini terminology, rather they meant it in the linguistic sense. Whoever among the scholars is spoken of in such terms is one of the heirs of the Prophets by virtue of the shar’i knowledge that he has, and it is as if he is their substitute in conveying the message of the Revelation and teaching it to the people.


Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (4/97):
As for the scholars, they used to say that they were the abdaal, because they were the substitutes of the Prophets, and they took their place in a real sense. They were not people who had no knowledge or who were unknown. Each of them took the place of the Prophets in the field in which he excelled, whether knowledge or worship. They said that they were the group that would continue to prevail until the Hour begins, because they are following guidance and the true religion with which Allaah sent His Messengers, the religion which Allaah promised would prevail over all other religions, and sufficient is Allaah as a witness. End quote.
See also question no. 10527.
And Allaah knows best.

[Mujib]

With regard to the definition of the wali among the Sufis, it has another, innovated meaning that is different from that understood by Ahl al-Sunnah. Among them the wali of Allaah is one who has been chosen by Allaah, even if he does not have the characteristics of righteousness and piety that qualify him to be loved by Allaah. The status of wali, in their view, is a kind of divine gift that is given for no reason and with no wisdom. Hence they believe that some wrongdoers, evildoers, insane and immoral people etc are awliya’ simply because they perform extraordinary feats, such as hitting their bodies with knives, playing with snakes and fire, and so on. They even include among their awliya’ people who drink alcohol and commit zina, and they say: The true wali can never be affected by sin.

This is the exact opposite of what the Sufis believe and teach. This is baseless slander. These false and misleading fatwas are why islam-qa should be avoided. Find scholars who speak with truth and justice, and who are qualified and reliable.

The great Sufi and Shafi`i imam, Imam `Izz ibn `Abd al-Salam (ra) said:

The Sacred Law is the scale upon which men are weighed and profit is distinguished from loss. He who weighs heavily on the scales of the Sacred Law is of the friends (awliya') of Allah, among whom there is disparity of degree. And he who comes up short in the scales of the Sacred Law is of the people of ruin, among whom their is also disparity of degree. If one sees someone who can fly through the air, walk on water, or inform one of the unseen, but who contravenes the Sacred Law by committing an unlawful act without an extenuating circumstance that legally excuses it, or who neglects an obligatory act without lawful reason, one may know that such a person is a devil Allah has placed there as a temptation to the ignorant. Nor is it farfetched that such a person should be one of the means by which Allah chooses to lead men astray, for the Antichrist will bring the dead to life and make the living die, all as a temptation and affliction to those who would be misled. (Reliance of the Traveller)

[muhsina]

If you have put your effort to bring progress to a community or humanity at large in the past and you are sure that your effort will contribute to the evolution of humanity then you will not have any grief about the past nor any fear of the future.


The below organogram specified by sufis is self conceived and might exist in Plato's "Alam-e- Misaal" or in their dreams only not in the real world.

300 from this group are statesman, involved in the administration of this world.
They control all transactions that take place. They are known as the “Akhyaar”.
Amongst these 300, 40 are known as “Abdaal”.
Amongst the 40, 7 are “Abraar”.
Amongst this 7, 4 are “Autaad”.
Amongst these 4, 3 are “Noqabah”.
From these 3, 1 is the “Ghaus” or “Qutub”. He is the most senior of them all, and head of the spiritual assembly.

Which idiot amongst these is controlling Pakistan? I need to talk to him on issues of mutual interest.

[شمله ور خراساني]

SubhanAllah!, "you are dumb,deaf and blind".

The Prophet(pbuh) mentioned a certain category of people who fits into the category of beeing "friend of Allah". Not everyone fits into this category. These people are special people.Therefore in Hadiths its been specified even more who these people are.

‘Abdullah ibn Mas’ud radiyallahu ta'ala 'anhu narrates that Rasulullah sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam said:

“There are 300 friends of Allah in the creation whose hearts are like that of Prophet Adam ‘alaihis salam. There are 40 whose hearts are similar to the heart of Musa ‘alaihis salam and 7 whose hearts are similar to the heart of Ibrahim ‘alaihis salam. There are 5 whose hearts are like that of Jibra’il and 3 whose hearts are like that of Mika’il and one whose heart is like the heart of Israfil. When he (whose heart is like Israfil) dies, then one of the three whose heart is like Mika’il replaces him and one of the five (whose hearts are like Jibra’il) replaces him. One of the seven replaces one of the five, one of the forty replaces one of the seven and one of the three-hundred replaces one of the forty and a normal Muslim replaces one of the three-hundred. It is due to these 356 awliya that creation are given life and killed, due to them rain falls, vegetation grows and difficulties are removed”.( Imam Abu Nu’ayn al-Isfahani in his Hilyat ul-Awliya (The Beauty of the Saints) and mentioned by Imam ibn Asakir)

In Tasawwuf we learn:

• At any given time, there are 124000 Awliya living on Earth. They are not recognized by the general public. In fact, amongst them, one does not know the other depending on their spiritual rank, and some of them are themselves not aware of the validity of their actions and devotion.
• 300 from this group are statesman, involved in the administration of this world. They control all transactions that take place. They are known as the “Akhyaar”.
• Amongst these 300, 40 are known as “Abdaal”.
• Amongst the 40, 7 are “Abraar”.
• Amongst this 7, 4 are “Autaad”.
• Amongst these 4, 3 are “Noqabah”.
• From these 3, 1 is the “Ghaus” or “Qutub”. He is the most senior of them all, and head of the spiritual assembly.

Sheikh Abdul Qadir al-Jilani (Rahimuhullah) is amongst those scholars who is respected highly by all Muslim thinkers. Sheikh Abdul Qadir al Jilani (Rahimuhullah) in the book attributed to him i.e. Al-Ghuniya tut Talibeen did not dedicate one page, nor 20 nor a chapter rather dedicated the last whole section to “Tassawuf” and praised Sufis immensely, he also advocated to have followed their path himself (rather is amongst the greatest Sufis known to Muslim Ummah)



3. Sheikh Abdul Qadir al Jilani (Rahimuhullah) In beginning of Section 5 writes on Page No. 449:

The Truthful Fuqara are those people who walk the path of Sufis, They clean themselves from the evil desires. They are amongst the Abdaal and Awliya… [Al-Ghuniya Tut Talibi Fi Tariq al Haqq, Page No. 449]

Hadiths on Abdals on below link:
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http://ahlussunnahwaljamah.blogspot.com/

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Kiramat (Miracles) Of AULIAE KIRAM ( Sufis)


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Again, you fail to produce any evidence that can prove that the charlatans and demagogues in your initial post are actually awliya.

Just by calling me names you dont achieve strengthening your arguments.

You just reveal your frustration.

[Abu Hurayrah]

This is the exact opposite of what the Sufis believe and teach. This is baseless slander. The great Sufi and Shafi`i imam, Imam `Izz ibn `Abd al-Salam (ra) said:

The Sacred Law is the scale upon which men are weighed and profit is distinguished from loss. He who weighs heavily on the scales of the Sacred Law is of the friends (awliya') of Allah, among whom there is disparity of degree. And he who comes up short in the scales of the Sacred Law is of the people of ruin, among whom their is also disparity of degree. If one sees someone who can fly through the air, walk on water, or inform one of the unseen, but who contravenes the Sacred Law by committing an unlawful act without an extenuating circumstance that legally excuses it, or who neglects an obligatory act without lawful reason, one may know that such a person is a devil Allah has placed there as a temptation to the ignorant. Nor is it farfetched that such a person should be one of the means by which Allah chooses to lead men astray, for the Antichrist will bring the dead to life and make the living die, all as a temptation and affliction to those who would be misled. (Reliance of the Traveller)

These false and misleading fatwas are why islam-qa should be avoided. Find scholars who speak with truth and justice, and who are qualified and reliable.

I don't know the imam, the narration he gave as evidence was dha'eef. The image he is drawing could well be the truth, since a lot of people who actually do believe in those dogma's call themselves sufi's. What we need here, is a reference of Rasul allah sallalahu aleyhi wasalam.

[Mujib]

I don't know the imam, the narration he gave as evidence was dha'eef. The image he is drawing could well be the truth, since a lot of people who actually do believe in those dogma's call themselves sufi's. What we need here, is a reference of Rasul allah sallalahu aleyhi wasalam.

What are you talking about, brother? Did you read the islam-qa answer before posting it? Did you read my response before replying to it? What narration is da`if? There is no narration in the quote I cited.

The author of the answer you posted claimed that Sufis believe that wilaya is not tied to righteousness and that even an evildoer could be a wali. This claim is absolutely false. The words of Imam al-`Izz ibn `Abd al-Salam (ra) represent the true position of the Sufis.
Shaykh al-Islam Imam al-`Izz ibn `Abd al-Salam al-Sulami (d. 1262) - Allah be well pleased with him - is known as Sultan al-`ulama (the Sultan of the Scholars). He is of the greatest scholars of Islam. Knowing him is far more important and beneficial than reading void answers from islam-qa.

[Pakhtun_Policy]

Again, you fail to produce any evidence that can prove that the charlatans and demagogues in your initial post are actually awliya.

Just by calling me names you dont achieve strengthening your arguments.

You just reveal your frustration.

You have been prooven wrong time after time , and your only escape is to call us other for "hindus". You just have to face it one day ,your wahabi ideology is going to be uprooted once and for all in the future.

[Abu Hurayrah]

What are you talking about, brother? Did you read the islam-qa answer before posting it? Did you read my response before replying to it? What narration is da`if? There is no narration in the quote I cited.

The author of the answer you posted claimed that Sufis believe that wilaya is not tied to righteousness and that even an evildoer could be a wali. This claim is absolutely false. The words of Imam al-`Izz ibn `Abd al-Salam (ra) represent the true position of the Sufis.
Shaykh al-Islam Imam al-`Izz ibn `Abd al-Salam al-Sulami (d. 1262) - Allah be well pleased with him - is known as Sultan al-`ulama (the Sultan of the Scholars). He is of the greatest scholars of Islam. Knowing him is far more important and beneficial than reading void answers from islam-qa.

Why is the answer all of a sudden void? The narrations the sufi's put forward to support their claim of abdal etc, is weak. Even If I where to agree with you on this point, where is the rest? Let's say, Al munajjid made a mistake their in his fatwa, and that sufi 'awliya' are not chosen, and they should have qualities. what about the rest?

It just doesn't make sense to show me the exit door because you disagree with one point. If there is prove for the fundamental believe of the sufi order in the sahih ahadith, we would like to know about it.

[Haneef]

What are you talking about? Why don't you show statements from Sufi Ulama who state what you state that a wali can be "choseN" even if he is evil, can you show this proof? if not then be quite, because Mujib showed you "proof" in that's not what people believe. how dumb can one be to think that someone who openly transgresses Allah Tala's law is a wali...even a child would not believe such a thing.

[Abu Hurayrah]

What are you talking about? Why don't you show statements from Sufi Ulama who state what you state that a wali can be "choseN" even if he is evil, can you show this proof? if not then be quite, because Mujib showed you "proof" in that's not what people believe. how dumb can one be to think that someone who openly transgresses Allah Tala's law is a wali...even a child would not believe such a thing.

Why are you guys attacking this one point. Lets say I agree, even tough this order is stated very cleary in various books by al hakim at tirmidhi for instance, , I will even agree, What about the rest? Where is the prove for the fundaments of this order and system?

The nuqaba, awtaad , abraar/abdal, qutb/ghawt, where is the hadith which states, the world will be controlled by 7 or 6 , more or less, pious helpers of Allah by its corners, each responsible for a region, where? because Ibn al Arabi (rah) said it, does it mean it is prove? Who chose the akhyar, abraar and the men controlling the corners of the earth? You guys should be the last persons to accuse me of something, since I am, simply asking where Muhammad (s.a.w.) introduced this system. I am just asking for evidence. I don't want a fight. And if in my fatwa, shaykh munajid made a mistake, may Allah forgive him.