Islamic reaction to radical Muslims

[ozymandias]

. so its ok for you to insult islam, but its not ok for us to insult you.

I did not say that. I didn't even ask you to stop. I said I was offended to make a point. I have been saying all along that people do not have a right not to be offended. I was pointing out that it is possible to be offended with out being violent.

If I was truly, and terribly offended, I would simply stop posting, or ask a moderator to review what you have said and see if it is inline with the site's terms of use.

As I have repeatedly stated, free speech does not stop when you offend someone. You have every right to attempt to offend me, just as you have every right to be angry -- just be adult adult about the issue and do not resort to illegal activities, which include violence. That is where free speech ends.

Insult atheism. Insult me. Insult my family. All you will do is lower my opinion of you further -- and presumably the opinions of other readers that see you acting childish and having issues discussing things rationally.

[Master Khan]

I did not say that. I didn't even ask you to stop. I said I was offended to make a point. I have been saying all along that people do not have a right not to be offended. I was pointing out that it is possible to be offended with out being violent.

If I was truly, and terribly offended, I would simply stop posting, or ask a moderator to review what you have said and see if it is inline with the site's terms of use.

As I have repeatedly stated, free speech does not stop when you offend someone. You have every right to attempt to offend me, just as you have every right to be angry -- just be adult adult about the issue and do not resort to illegal activities, which include violence. That is where free speech ends.

Insult atheism. Insult me. Insult my family. All you will do is lower my opinion of you further -- and presumably the opinions of other readers that see you acting childish and having issues discussing things rationally.

Sta da khabaro ado pio gam na.
So wait, So if someone Insult my religion, I should just stand there and ignore it?...nope

This will be their face

[ozymandias]

Sta da khabaro ado pio gam na.
So wait, So if someone Insult my religion, I should just stand there and ignore it?...nope

You can ignore it. You can go away. In the cases of these cartoons, you can simply *not go out of your way to view the images*. You can use your words to discuss the issue. You can ask the people to stop. You have many things you can do that are moral, legal, and within your rights -- without violating their rights.

Violence and terrorism are not in that list.

This will be their face

And that is the problem, sadly.

This is exactly why the world tends to view muslims as violent. Look at what your self proclaimed first reaction to something that you do not like -- and then you, and the fellow people on this forum act surprised that people call you violent, and act offended that you are 'demonized' -- when you do exactly what you are describing that you claim is 'demonizing'.

I am very interested in continuing this conversation, but I would really like some mature conversationalists to step in. Attempting to hold a discussion with you is irritating as you do the very things you are pretending to be against -- and constantly lie and make false claims. You are not helping the case of the non-violent muslim very much, and I am not interested in talking to a living parody of a stereotype.

If anyone would like to show me that Master Khan, and terrorists in general do not represent your religion, I am looking forward to hearing from you. I have many questions about your faith, and would love to get honest answers from rational people.

[Master Khan]

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You call us a terrorist anyway so we don't care if we act violent.
We muslims already told people to Stop it but they still do it.
Telling them to "stop it" won't help, that danish cartoonist got what he deserve.
just leave us alone and this won't be their faces

[ozymandias]

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You call us a terrorist anyway so we don't care if we act violent.
We muslims already told people to Stop it but they still do it.
Telling them to "stop it" won't help, that danish cartoonist got what he deserve.
just leave us alone and this won't be their faces

Such a peaceful religion you are representing.

[Master Khan]

Such a peaceful religion you are representing.

Thank you very much.
We peaceful when you are nice to us.
if you are making fun of us, Disrepecting us etc then why should we be peaceful to them.

[ozymandias]

Thank you very much.
We peaceful when you are nice to us.

It's easy to be nice to those that are nice to you, isn't it? It would take a strong man to be nice to those that are rude, wouldn't it?

if you are making fun of us, Disrepecting us etc then why should we be peaceful to them.

I would presume that would be part of any religion calling itself peaceful.

I would also assume because your parents should have taught you better than that.

Perhaps because you wanted to be treated as an adult.

Or because you are actually tired of being 'demonized' and truly wanted to end the reputation your religion has for violence.

Perhaps because you don't want to play a role in the stereotyped 'violent muslim' role?

Perhaps so you did not come across as an ignorant fool?

Perhaps so that you can impress other people with how deep and rational your religion is, which would give you an opportunity to discuss it with them and potentially convert them.

Maybe, just maybe, you want to act like more than a mere animal. Just maybe.

[Master Khan]

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I don't care what you think of our Religion.
I got non-muslim friends and I respect them and they respect me for who I am.
And you are the one thats acting like a child by saying its alright to insult others, so Your parents should have taught you to respects others...Which I think they didn't.
So stop speaking from your arse.

[ozymandias]

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I don't care what you think of our Religion.

Then you cannot complain that non-muslims think negatively of your religion.

I got non-muslim friends and I respect them and they respect me for who I am.
And you are the one thats acting like a child by saying its alright to insult others, so Your parents should have taught you to respects others...Which I think they didn't.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and guess that English is not your first language, or that you are very young -- or both.

It's either that or assume you are being deliberately malicious and lying when you repeatedly make false claims about me.

Not once did I say it is right to insult others -- I said that it is their right, as a human, to exercise their free speech, even if it does insult you. You are getting two completely separate meanings of the word 'right' confused, as well as muddying what I have said.

Let me try again: As a human being, they have the freedom to say and publish political and religious comments without restriction, even if the things they say are wrong (false), wrong (morally), wrong (ethically), or wrong (bad manners).

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So stop speaking from your arse.[/QUOTE]

Hey, I'm the one trying to have a rational conversation, and you are the one resorting to name calling and threats of violence.

[Master Khan]

Then you cannot complain that non-muslims think negatively of your religion.



I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and guess that English is not your first language, or that you are very young -- or both.

It's either that or assume you are being deliberately malicious and lying when you repeatedly make false claims about me.

Not once did I say it is right to insult others -- I said that it is their right, as a human, to exercise their free speech, even if it does insult you. You are getting two completely separate meanings of the word 'right' confused, as well as muddying what I have said.

Let me try again: As a human being, they have the freedom to say and publish political and religious comments without restriction, even if the things they say are wrong (false), wrong (morally), wrong (ethically), or wrong (bad manners).

Hey, I'm the one trying to have a rational conversation, and you are the one resorting to name calling and threats of violence.

I don't care about English, My lauguage is more important for me.

you made make false claims about me saying that my Parents taught me nothing.

[ozymandias]

I don't care about English, My lauguage is more important for me.

That's fine. It's just frustrating when you make mistakes that appear to be deliberate.

you made make false claims about me saying that my Parents taught me nothing.

Did I say nothing? All I know is that you are acting as if your parents didn't bother to teach you manners or common sense. They may have, you just don't act like it.

That's fine, it's the internet -- I had low expectations.

[Pakhtunzai]

Ozymandias,
What exactly is your problem with Muslims asking for their religion to be respected and left alone?

ahh ignore him, hes just another jahil idiot who wants to cause trouble, if we dont react to him then how will he get the satisfaction kana??

[ozymandias]

Ozymandias,
What exactly is your problem with Muslims asking for their religion to be respected and left alone?

Absolutely nothing.

My problem has to do with people (including people here) supporting terrorism when they don't get special treatment.

Use words, not violence to ask, no matter what you are asking for, and we do not have a problem.

[ozymandias]

He is now part of the Pashtun community, He asked a question and I will try my best to answer him and not give up.

Thank you. We might be able to get somewhere.

[ozymandias]

Before I even reply.

Who here supports terrorism? I read the whole thread and I did not see a single person commending terrorism.


No one here supports it. Death to anyone who kills innocent people for their own purposes.

Let's get something straight before I start going copy/paste on the whole thread:

Saying anything to the effect of "Just give the terrorists what they want, and they won't attack" is supporting terrorism. Anyone that says the Danish newspaper was wrong for printing the cartoons, and not the rioters, and terrorists making death threats, is supporting terrorism.

Any time you support giving the terrorists what they want, you are justifying their actions.

Any time you make excuses for them, you are supporting them.

Any time you refuse to admit what they did is terrible and unjustifiable, you are supporting them.

Hell, one page ago, "master" Khan said "that danish cartoonist got what he deserve". Considering that Kurt Westergaard, the artist that did those cartoons now has to live under 24/7 security by the Danish Secret Service, has to have a panic room in his house, is escorted to and from work under police protection, has suffered home invasion, and attempted murder, attacks on his relatives, including his 5 year old grand daughter, an attempt by 3 muslims to assassinate him that was foiled by the Danish PET, I would say that it is *very* clear that at least one user is supporting terrorism.