Islamic reaction to radical Muslims

[Master Khan]

But you don't have to beileve what media say all the time.
you can't just judge a place that you never been to.

[imb706]

That's actually a false criteria. You don't need to go somewhere to actually make an informed opinion about the place. Reality relies on third party factual perspective, and certainly that's the case here. Also, the UAE is a tiny urbanized oil country, it doesn't face the same conditions as other countries, it'd be like saying Hong Kong is an economic model for Canada.

[tor_khan]

It's true I've never been to the Middle East, and I'm no expert on the region

That pretty much comes out in your postings.

[ozymandias]

In Dubai their is no Crime at all, we use to walk around at 2 am with our bags etc.
Islamic laws is the best.

I think you owe me a new keyboard over that one -- I spit my coffee out laughing.

[ozymandias]

But you don't have to beileve what media say all the time.
you can't just judge a place that you never been to.

I've never been to either of the poles -- but I can judge them 'cold'. I have never been to many cases, and thanks to the news I *CAN* make an informed judgment about then. I know Somalia is a place I don't want to go for vacation. I know things about countries based on them making the news for current events -- or medival laws still being enforced -- or the rioting over some cartoons.

I can judge. I might be wrong, but I can judge -- and I can usually get fairly close based on the news.

If a place is on the news for out of control crime -- I can judge that. If a country is arresting people for kissing in public -- or a rape victim for 'having illegal sex' I know a lot about that country and how they treat due process and human rights.

For the record, where I live, I usually don't bother to even lock the door, and have not for over a decade, unless my wife and I are going to be out of town for a few days.

[pekhawar]

I think you owe me a new keyboard over that one -- I spit my coffee out laughing.

[Master Khan]

I think you owe me a new keyboard over that one -- I spit my coffee out laughing.

Alot of Americans, British people go there.
For me it was the safest country I been to, I didn't see one crime there.
I must admit that its sucks to be poor there.

[ozymandias]

Alot of Americans, British people go there.
For me it was the safest country I been to, I didn't see one crime there.
I must admit that its sucks to be poor there.

Safety is not the only thing to look at when assessing laws -- you also have to consider human rights, justice, due process, and punishments to name a few.

You can have insanely safe and clear streets if littering or shoplifting resulted in the immediate death penalty. I would argue that those laws would not be 'best'.

I would argue that a law that allows a rape victim to be arrested for "illegal sex" ( http://http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/08/british-woman-arrested-in_n_416690.html ) or eating during daylight ( http://http://business.maktoob.com/20090000372590/Dubai_arrests_3_for_breaking_Ramadan_rules/Article.htm ) or arrested for a couple kissing eachother on the cheek -- and getting *ONE MONTH* in prison ( http://http://celebrifi.com/gossip/Dubai-Kissing-Couple-Jail-Sentence-Upheld-For-UK-Couple-Arrested-For-Kissing-2133555.html ) is not 'best'. I would argue that those laws are downright terrible.

How do any of those laws improve 'safety'? I mean other than for rapists?

Now before people get upset -- I am not arguing that they cannot have those laws. I am simply arguing that it is hard to call those laws 'best'.

The argument over whether those laws should exists is another debate, but in short you can justify any law as long as it is supported by the population -- which is easiest to prove in a place that is democratic with an educated population where all adult members are allowed to vote, and allowed the free speech of political opinions.

[ozymandias]

Why are you an athiest Ozymandias. What led you to become an athiest?

a nice bio would help.

I'll give a brief overview: I never became an atheist. I have always been one. I have never really bought into any of the reasons people accept for religion -- and believe me, I tried. I spent a significant amount of time and effort studying religion trying to understand it. At one point I even attended seminary, but the more I learned and the more I studied, the less logical and more faulty religion seemed.

I am more than fine living in a word with religious people, but I am interested in finding out why and how they can believe, and forcing them to investigate the what and why can only help them, myself, and the world as a whole.

[abubaker]

[QUOTE=imb706;18053]Um...I walk at 2 am here in California. Is there no crime here? Someone saying it doesn't make it so. Only if you were one of those rioters, of which I did not accuse you of. It's true I've never been to the Middle East, and I'm no expert on the region, but I have an okay grasp of what goes on there. Well, Iraq is poor mostly by the US's making. Saddam may have been a brutal dictator, of which there can be no excuse for his actions, but he was making Iraq "the Japan of the Middle East" and he made it so iraqis could get free education and health care. Then the 90s come along and it all goes straight to hell. It has a long history of secularism. Yes, poverty creates differences and creates rifts, poverty should be battled, but it's not the reason people want to blow up a country over a cartoon. Not true, a craphole is a craphole, has nothing to do with the ethnicity. It's economics and social settings. The Middle East just happens to be a unproductive piece of backwater crap, it has nothing to do with the arabs or with any other racial group. I only censored because I don't know the rules of using the word. It's not a word I like obviously, but Fox News and Tea Partyers have called him that word in the past. It's sad. Lol, what? No it's not. There's no hate speech laws here and thank goodness. Sure, I'm no racist or sexist or have any hatred, but I support the right to hate. KKK, Nazis theyre all allowed here. They are terrible but it's their rights. There you go again with that state media... Being that it originates in Qatar, not the UAE, and that it's mostly pro arabic (not that I have anything against the network), it's a bad example. Good for them, I support that. Though they base a lot of their stuff in the US and Iceland, so does that really count? I don't even watch arab media, why would I bother? If it wasn't for the Bible thumping idiocy and racism, I'd probably move to the South :P But I have to settle with Vermont to get the classic american experience, and the good health care. Anyway, that's not offensive to me.

Most bloggers per population of people, are in fact just across the waters from here, in Iran. The US, despite being the biggest internet users, cannot boast the same quota. Why? Pretty low...(The US along with the rest of the West is 99 percent literate. don't get me wrong, I criticize US education very much, but that doesn't mean Iran is better) and what does that have to do with anything? Unless you mean 60 percent of iranians write, and uh...so? I'm sure they're very proud to be writing praises of their supreme leader and such. Whoopidee do. But don't go on Facebook and complain, because then you'll go to jail. Anyway, what evidence is that Iran blogs the most? And if so, who even cares? Europeans are sure, I'm sure Stephen Hill would sing praises of that. I sure do. Not middle easterners, I mean unless you count all that terrorism XD. Though the Tea Party, as bad as they are, shows theres not much trust in the US government. Yeah, israel, uh jews...er, nevermind. Yeah but I don't care what Fox News says. Just go to Media Matters to see all their bull**** debunked.

see that the problem with you guys you might have an ''okay grasp'' of the midle east, yet you act like your experts, you are in no position to criticise a place you have not even been, the people you have not seen or spoken to or lived amongst or experienced thire culture

[ozymandias]

see that the problem with you guys you might have an ''okay grasp'' of the midle east, yet you act like your experts, you are in no position to criticise a place you have not even been, the people you have not seen or spoken to or lived amongst or experienced thire culture

Some things are universal, like human rights.

[ozymandias]

The boundary should be established. Disrespecting our holy prophet is a bit too much.

There is a boundary: does the speaker want to say it?

I'll say it *AGAIN* you have a right to free speech. You do *NOT* have a right not to be offended.

[imb706]

Some things are universal, like human rights.

Well, they should be anyway.

yet you act like your experts,

What?

I would argue that a law that allows a rape victim to be arrested for "illegal sex" ( http://http://www.huffingtonpost.com..._n_416690.html ) or eating during daylight ( http://http://business.maktoob.com/2...es/Article.htm ) or arrested for a couple kissing eachother on the cheek -- and getting *ONE MONTH* in prison ( http://http://celebrifi.com/gossip/D...g-2133555.html ) is not 'best'. I would argue that those laws are downright terrible.

Thanks for the information. Along with being a slave hub and criminal hub, it has stupid things like that!

For me it was the safest country I been to, I didn't see one crime there.

Well, unless international business crime and indentured servitude aren't crimes.

I think one of the major things Ozymandias fails to realize is the amount of hate it creates in the Muslim hearts when they see such a thing. Just like how non-Muslims get offended, Believers consider making the fun of our prophet equal to alot of crimes you might find offensive.

Give me a break, it's a cartoon. If you get so offended by it to the point of a violent rage, you have mental issues.

[Master Khan]

Well there was this story about this priest in England, he thought muslims were bad people, islam is bad etc, he want to Egypt and came back a muslim because he said the people were so nice and kind.
violent and in****ing other gets you no where.
There are nice people in all of us, but all the media show is the bad muslims and not the good ones.
I don't consider these Terrorist as muslim, the "word" Taliban" means "studant of islam" of Islam and these people are not Taliban but they terrorist who use Islam.

[imb706]

Anecdotes like that don't really mean much though. Anyone can tell stories, plus I couldn't care less what some british priest thinks on something XD