Shah Rukh Khan On ISLAM And RAMADAN

[khushal]

So, are you saying that no Muslim ever has committed any sin?

When did I say that?

And what happened to the knife questions

[*Mahzala*]

The guy can't even converted his wife to Islam lol, he is not a muslim.

I can't help but say we Muslims have made our lives so difficult for when in fact Islamic Law doesn't entertain any of our absurd ideas. Islam isn't as hard as we make it to seem. Read, broaden your horizons and change your lens through which you view this big and rapidly changing world.

Master Khan, you are saying he is Kaafir because he hasn't managed to influence someone to the extent of converting them? If that is the case, where do we lie on this twisted line you have just drawn? Clearly, according to your statement, we too are not Muslim. Think, think, then speak.

No the manufacturer of the knife doesnt have to be muslim, He can be shah rukhkhan, that would be OK.

The actions of a person is the most important aspect of that persons life. Your actions define you because your actions tell me whats in your heart.

I don't agree. Our actions often go against what lies in our heart. We often make sacrifices in life which make us put our faith, principles and morals behind. We all do it at one point, it is an undeniable fact. Think of women who sell their lives in the name of provision for their homes and families. Which woman desires such a thing upon herself? When we become helpless and hopeless victims to our circumstances, we do things that don't reflect the state of our hearts or faith. In no way am I suggesting anything about SRK. I just didn't find your statement acceptable, if I may say.

As far as SRK goes, we are no one to judge who is a Muslim and who is not. If anything, I commend his efforts (which are often done behind the scenes and not publicised like our Muslims leaders and folk - remember Musharraf kissing Hajre-Aswad? That kinda stuff ...). We're not here to draw a line and segregate people's potential based on their faith. If he is not a Muslim and shouldn't be heard, then I suggest we change our ideals and apply that to every case in our lives. Why are we living in Western worlds, subject to western laws, to western rule, to western ideologies, in western educational institutions, under 'non'-Muslim educators? Makes very little sense if you ask me. Like someone else said in the thread, if this was about another man, the argument would have been a lot less lighter. If you want, you can learn life lessons from anything, if you're eager to succeed and learn. If not, well that is a different story altogether.

And do know, not everything I have said above is directed at the both of you.

[Dust]

When did I say that?

And what happened to the knife questions

You did not. But you said that the actions show the inner self. If so, then I am pretty sure that no one would be left to call themselves a Muslim. How many Muslims follow Islam to the T?

With respect to the knife question, you basically agreed with the point that I intended to make: it does not matter who is the manufacturer of the knife. Initially you did imply that the manufacturer is important.

[khushal]

I can't help but say we Muslims have made our lives so difficult for when in fact Islamic Law doesn't entertain any of our absurd ideas. Islam isn't as hard as we make it to seem. Read, broaden your horizons and change your lens through which you view this big and rapidly changing world.

Master Khan, you are saying he is Kaafir because he hasn't managed to influence someone to the extent of converting them? If that is the case, where do we lie on this twisted line you have just drawn? Clearly, according to your statement, we too are not Muslim. Think, think, then speak.



I don't agree. Our actions often go against what lies in our heart. We often make sacrifices in life which make us put our faith, principles and morals behind. We all do it at one point, it is an undeniable fact. Think of women who sell their lives in the name of provision for their homes and families. Which woman desires such a thing upon herself? When we become helpless and hopeless victims to our circumstances, we do things that don't reflect the state of our hearts or faith. In no way am I suggesting anything about SRK. I just didn't find your statement acceptable, if I may say.

As far as SRK goes, we are no one to judge who is a Muslim and who is not. If anything, I commend his efforts (which are often done behind the scenes and not publicised like our Muslims leaders and folk - remember Musharraf kissing Hajre-Aswad? That kinda stuff ...). We're not here to draw a line and segregate people's potential based on their faith. If he is not a Muslim and shouldn't be heard, then I suggest we change our ideals and apply that to every case in our lives. Why are we living in Western worlds, subject to western laws, to western rule, to western ideologies, in western educational institutions, under 'non'-Muslim educators? Makes very little sense if you ask me. Like someone else said in the thread, if this was about another man, the argument would have been a lot less lighter. If you want, you can learn life lessons from anything, if you're eager to succeed and learn. If not, well that is a different story altogether.

And do know, not everything I have said above is directed at the both of you.

You may say, but the woman that sells herself for provisions should have more faith, there are other ways to get provisions. Some women are forced to commit such acts I know but their hearts arn't in their actions, because they are forced to do it. Im pretty sure those prisoners in Guantanomo were forced to say they repent in their beleif in allah just to break their spirits into full submission.

[Dust]

You may say, but the woman that sells herself for provisions should have more faith, there are other ways to get provisions. Some women are forced to commit such acts I know but their hearts arn't in their actions, because they are forced to do it. Im pretty sure those prisoners in Guantanomo were forced to say they repent in their beleif in allah just to break their spirits into full submission.

Are trying to say that there are no real "Muslim" prostitutes?

[khushal]

Are trying to say that there are no real "Muslim" prostitutes?

When did i say that?

[Dust]

Okay, I take it that there are. Wouldn't that be an oxymoron? According to you actions determine who is a Muslim and who is not.

[KhalsaWarrior]

Im not saying it is a crime, and I wouldnt say he is that intellegent, most actors ever are, he is just an actor and dancer but no singer or poet. My point is that actors are given more respect than is due to them. I didnt mean to disrespect you by disrespecting your idol.

Acting is not a lesser art form. And he's not my idol. As I said, I am not even a fan of his movies. I find them too unrealistic and overly emotional.

But what I find strange is when people judge him just because of his profession. I dont know about Islam and neither do I claim to, but I'll let God be the judge of who's a Muslim or not. And to me a being a good person is more important than being a Muslim, Hindu or a Christian. And he clearly seems like a good person to me.

[Haneef]

I can't help but say we Muslims have made our lives so difficult for when in fact Islamic Law doesn't entertain any of our absurd ideas. Islam isn't as hard as we make it to seem. Read, broaden your horizons and change your lens through which you view this big and rapidly changing world.

Master Khan, you are saying he is Kaafir because he hasn't managed to influence someone to the extent of converting them? If that is the case, where do we lie on this twisted line you have just drawn? Clearly, according to your statement, we too are not Muslim. Think, think, then speak.



I don't agree. Our actions often go against what lies in our heart. We often make sacrifices in life which make us put our faith, principles and morals behind. We all do it at one point, it is an undeniable fact. Think of women who sell their lives in the name of provision for their homes and families. Which woman desires such a thing upon herself? When we become helpless and hopeless victims to our circumstances, we do things that don't reflect the state of our hearts or faith. In no way am I suggesting anything about SRK. I just didn't find your statement acceptable, if I may say.

As far as SRK goes, we are no one to judge who is a Muslim and who is not. If anything, I commend his efforts (which are often done behind the scenes and not publicised like our Muslims leaders and folk - remember Musharraf kissing Hajre-Aswad? That kinda stuff ...). We're not here to draw a line and segregate people's potential based on their faith. If he is not a Muslim and shouldn't be heard, then I suggest we change our ideals and apply that to every case in our lives. Why are we living in Western worlds, subject to western laws, to western rule, to western ideologies, in western educational institutions, under 'non'-Muslim educators? Makes very little sense if you ask me. Like someone else said in the thread, if this was about another man, the argument would have been a lot less lighter. If you want, you can learn life lessons from anything, if you're eager to succeed and learn. If not, well that is a different story altogether.

And do know, not everything I have said above is directed at the both of you.

Masha~Allah khudai di khair darkee

[IamDZJ]

leave him alone

[KhalsaWarrior]

leave him alone

I knew our resident Bollywood fan-in-chief had to get in here. lol

[Dreamer]

the dudes hardly a muslim.... he is living in "sin" since his "marriage" is not recognised by Islamic law... his wifes a hindu and a muslim man can not marry anyone other than a muslim, Jewish or christian woman. He celebrates hindu festivals etc.... the list goes on

[*Mahzala*]

the dudes hardly a muslim.... he is living in "sin" since his "marriage" is not recognised by Islamic law... his wifes a hindu and a muslim man can not marry anyone other than a muslim, Jewish or christian woman. He celebrates hindu festivals etc.... the list goes on

What does it matter? Let him be.

[Dreamer]

What does it matter? Let him be.

point is hes hardly a muslim... a muslim male or female is forbidden from celebrating festivals of other religions and he has hindu "gods" in his house!

[*Mahzala*]

point is hes hardly a muslim... a muslim male or female is forbidden from celebrating festivals of other religions and he has hindu "gods" in his house!

So what? How should that bother us? Point is Dreamer that we should look at a problem and consider the extent to which it may harm us. The argument in this thread, or the way it started shall I say, is that one should be heard because of their beliefs and religious preferences which is absurd and holds no value in my eyes.