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  • I think you are educated enough to know that a Pakistani pornstar is not the responsibility of every Pakistani out there. You do that because you are too lazy to steer that argument a different way and dispute it on fair grounds. That is a very cheap trick and a nasty fault.

    You don't mention pornstars because that's the only example you can give at given times, you do it because you get a thrill out of playing cheap tricks. People of good character don't do things like that.

    I am not convinced..

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    • And I'm also educated to know when someone is pulling a classic "bait and switch". Sorry but, I'm not biting this time. Good Luck.

      Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


      Originally posted by ذو الفقار
      don’t try to be smart.

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      • Sigh.. nothing to live for anymore..

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        • Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
          And I'm also educated to know when someone is pulling a classic "bait and switch". Sorry but, I'm not biting this time. Good Luck.
          How is it bait and switch?

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          • Originally posted by Elite Pakhtun View Post
            How is it bait and switch?
            read the first reply he made and then follow the replies there after,

            Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


            Originally posted by ذو الفقار
            don’t try to be smart.

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            • Mahmoud,

              When exactly did homo erectus evolve to humans? Was Adam (to whom be peace) birthed?

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              • Originally posted by کیش View Post
                Mahmoud,

                When exactly did homo erectus evolve to humans? Was Adam (to whom be peace) birthed?
                When exactly was Muhammad(saw) born? the exact date and time, if we don't know this, was he really born?

                Adam(as) as the first human being was birthed, Adam(as) as the spiritual archetype was made in heaven.

                Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                don’t try to be smart.

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                • Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                  read the first reply he made and then follow the replies there after,
                  Doesn't seem like much of a switch. Although the first one was about porno stars, that and the other responses were all with the same theme of why you don't talk "about good things".

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                  • Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post

                    Adam(as) as the first human being was birthed, Adam(as) as the spiritual archetype was made in heaven.
                    So you're saying Adam (to whom be peace) was birthed by parents (homo erectus) and grew from a baby to an adult. Eve comes from?

                    The garden of Eden where Adam and eve (peace and blessing to them) supposedly lived and where deceived by Ibliss, are you hinting it is allegorical? How about when Allah, Lord of the Universe commanded the angels and Ibliss to prostrate to Adam (to whom be peace)? Please elaborate.

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                    • Originally posted by Elite Pakhtun View Post
                      Doesn't seem like much of a switch. Although the first one was about porno stars, that and the other responses were all with the same theme of why you don't talk "about good things".
                      I gather you see me as an adversary here. So I'm not going to break it down for you.

                      Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                      Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                      don’t try to be smart.

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                      • Originally posted by کیش View Post
                        So you're saying Adam (to whom be peace) was birthed by parents (homo erectus) and grew from a baby to an adult. Eve comes from?

                        The garden of Eden where Adam and eve (peace and blessing to them) supposedly lived and where deceived by Ibliss, are you hinting it is allegorical? How about when Allah, Lord of the Universe commanded the angels and Ibliss to prostrate to Adam (to whom be peace)? Please elaborate.
                        Eve, was born to parents too. Her archetype in heaven.

                        Allegorical, maybe not, but the event describes something that happened in some spiritual state. How else do you think Adam and Eve "landed" on Earth?

                        Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                        Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                        don’t try to be smart.

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                        • Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                          Eve, was born to parents too. Her archetype in heaven.

                          Allegorical, maybe not, but the event describes something that happened in some spiritual state. How else do you think Adam and Eve "landed" on Earth?
                          But the Shaitan made them both fall from it, and caused them to depart from that (state) in which they were; and We said: Get forth, some of you being the enemies of others, and there is for you in the earth an abode and a provision for a time. (2:36)

                          The same way people will go to Heaven or Hell in the Day of Judgement. Adam and eve (peace and blessing to the both) went from heaven to Earth.

                          Do you think Humans will evolve to their forms in Heaven or Hell?

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                          • Originally posted by کیش View Post
                            But the Shaitan made them both fall from it, and caused them to depart from that (state) in which they were; and We said: Get forth, some of you being the enemies of others, and there is for you in the earth an abode and a provision for a time. (2:36)

                            The same way people will go to Heaven or Hell in the Day of Judgement. Adam and eve (peace and blessing to the both) went from heaven to Earth.

                            Do you think Humans will evolve to their forms in Heaven or Hell?
                            Yes, so their spiritual archetype went from Heaven to Earth, makes sense.

                            Heaven and Hell are spiritual realms, So perhaps not?

                            Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                            Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                            don’t try to be smart.

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                            • Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                              Yes, so their spiritual archetype went from Heaven to Earth, makes sense.

                              Heaven and Hell are spiritual realms, So perhaps not?
                              When you say spiritual you're not referring to physical? I'm just asking questions.

                              Adam and Eve (peace to the both) were the first creations with free will.

                              So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of My Spirit, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him. (15:29)

                              How would free will be evolved, if Adam and Eve (peace and blessings) were birthed by humanoid parents?

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                              • Originally posted by کیش View Post
                                When you say spiritual you're not referring to physical? I'm just asking questions.

                                Adam and Eve (peace to the both) were the first creations with free will.

                                So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of My Spirit, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him. (15:29)

                                How would free will be evolved, if Adam and Eve (peace and blessings) were birthed by humanoid parents?
                                Well they didn't will themselves into existence right?

                                Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                                Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                                don’t try to be smart.

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