Do Jinnat exist?

[inqilab]

Ok so you guys reject the Quran?

[inqilab]

'Technically'...well 'technically' the outclassed groups and those--YOUR-FOOLs (There is a difference b/w your fools and my fools in this thread)--EXIST in material form and you negate their existence.And 'TECHNICALLY' you are acknowledging the existence of 'NON-EXISTING CREATURS'.??????????
but yeah, technically...

You do not make sense.

[PFgulalai]

I claimed? When?
I said according to religion, they do exist.
According to some PF'ers they do exist.
According to me they don't. I proved thier non-existence.

I think on this thread thier existence have been proved by someone...that Imam saib is the most intelligent person.He already has conversations with them.

Um, Gulalai claimed they exist. But she said she has not yet seen one.

According to Islam, Jinns exist. We are just not intelligent enough to catch there traces.

[hairan]

Ok so you guys reject the Quran?

Well, dear inqilab,

I earlier mentioned that I am not looking into this from a religious point of view. In all religious books there are things that can be interpreted in different ways with different meanings.

Can anybody tell me how they live in this world? What is their purpose? What system they have? What are their ways of living as mulsims and kafirs? How they convert each other? Do they fight with each other? Or are they of any usefulness for human beings? Why nobody can prove their existence?

[PFgulalai]

and so is the existence of Jinnat!

You do not make sense.

[JAMALUDEEN]

[PFgulalai]

Bring a Jin for us and prove it!

Ok so you guys reject the Quran?

[JAMALUDEEN]

I remember reading about the String Theory and the Extra Dimensions a few months ago. Maybe, that could explain it for you guys. I might be at fault though sharing this with you and it could be wrong, i am not a scholar so don't attack me (lol) but could be it be that the Jin live in perhaps one of the other dimensions, maybe the fourth dimension? There are people out there, who are seeing and talking to a race called "The Arcturians"? Could it be that these Arcturians are jin who have disguised themselves? We all know that the Jins can take any shape or form? well you tell me

[pir_Rokhan]

Salamoona,

Do you think Jinnat (Piriyan), as they are being described as an unseen creature, exist? If you think yes, do they also have religious groups like Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Jews, and then sectarian groups such as Wahhabis, Hanfis, Deobandis, Jihadis, Taliban, Haqqani Network, etc.?

The type of responses to your question is a simple litum test of what is working on the minds of our people and hence what is the probability that we will be able to make any progress.

[pir_Rokhan]

As long as humans dont cease to exist and can coexist ,iot does not matter whether what is called Djins exist or not.

BTW If a word is used in Quran it does not mean that Quran is referring to someone's misconceptions about that word.

[erlangner]

I claimed? When?
I said according to religion, they do exist.
According to some PF'ers they do exist.
According to me they don't. I proved thier non-existence.

I think on this thread thier existence have been proved by someone...that Imam saib is the most intelligent person.He already has conversations with them.

Gulalai I really appreciate your post. Here in this forum I am fed up from the religious fanatics. They are just proving each and every thing form their interpretation of Quran and as you said, for existance of Jinnat it is enough proff for them, that their bloody Imam has conversation with them. Useful logical conversation is needed. They just there is a verse in the Holly Quran, We did not creat human beings and Jinnat, but to worship Allah. If there is no material body of Jinn, then how you interprete this verse as per your wish what does the jinn mean?
Ajmal Khattak has one poem, Jannat, where he described Jannat (Paradise) as different people wish it. The same thing is about Jinnat. Minds of these fanatics are locked from hearing, seeing, thinking any logic except their owns. and a simple deviation from their point of view can give you a name of Kaafir?

Zar de sham la geeray, dagha swal da lewani wawra
Nom pe da kafir ma gada, da de ghazal jawab ke.

These dry mullahs destroyed and are destroying and keeping backward Pashtuns and we should get rid of them instead encouraging them, proving everything from their intrepretation of the Hollay Quran and Hadith as per their wish.
This trend should be strongly discouraged.

Is this a logic for the presence of jinnat, ya it is described in Quran, then the discussion is over.

[erlangner]

As long as humans dont cease to exist and can coexist ,iot does not matter whether what is called Djins exist or not.

BTW If a word is used in Quran it does not mean that Quran is referring to someone's misconceptions about that word.

Yarra Pir sahib manra pa tsa museebat awakhti you. Zama kho da de mazhabi bunyad parastop na toba, yarra de forum na ba tekhta kawoo.

Da mazhab bunyab parasto, da insan khoon rezi band krae
insianiat loe mazhab de, mohabbat loya sajda da

Sheikh che dersh rojay poora kray, no pa geera ye las rakhko,
de ta na gori, da lwaggo, cham ke harra wraz roja da,

(Mullah) Sta da hooro da dunya na, yawa bala dunya ham shta
lewani ta yawa peghla joona nasta pa aasra da

Yarra pir sahib pa weekend ba pa skye yawa tota lgawoo. cha zra mo spak shi

[erlangner]

I have an experience with IJT as an opponent. They are dry illogicla, yet so consistent, and dont get tired of a thing.
For example we had a Hostel Nazim in Punjab univesrity Lahore, he used to Order people to attend the dars-e-Quran, but after his nizamat he did not attend the dars himself. What a non-sense approach towards Quran?

However, I will say one thing, on our national assembly seat in 2002 election Major rtd Masood Sharif was contesting from PPPP and the strong opponent was Shah Abdul Aziz Mujahid MMA, and at finally Mullah won the seat. At that night, Major Masood Sharif was saying, if people do not want to change their luck and are stuck to Mullah, what I can do for them. They should lye their in darknesses of long beard and black turbans.

So I think, we should leave this forum to these long beard and black turbans and then to enjoy their logic with each other. Hhahhaha, and some of them have beard in their belly like Imran Khan.

[aftab.yusufzai]

Assalamoalikum,

yes Jinns Do exist .. its all Allah's creator and Allah has told us in His Book the essence from which the jinn were created. He says (interpretation of the meaning):

"And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame o fire." [al-Hijr 15:27]

"And the jinns did He create from a smokeless flame of fire." [al-Rahmaan 55:15].


Allah Knows better.

[erlangner]

Assalamoalikum,

yes Jinns Do exist .. its all Allah's creator and Allah has told us in His Book the essence from which the jinn were created. He says (interpretation of the meaning):

"And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame o fire." [al-Hijr 15:27]

"And the jinns did He create from a smokeless flame of fire." [al-Rahmaan 55:15].


Allah Knows better.

How you will prove it arguing scientifically. Or ok discussion is over, as it is mentioned in thsi verse.