Infinite punishment for a finite sin?

[randolph85]

I share your distaste at the idea that the atonement was about transferring punishment from the guilty to the innocent. But that idea is merely a theory to explain the atonement. Not all Christians agree with it. What the Bible teaches is that the Messiah's sacrifice was an act of love to rescue sinners and bring them to God.

As a result, Christians are full of hope and assurance. There is no despair. We have a great Savior!

if it was a sacrifice to rescue sinners, then its an atonement.

christians have false hope and assurance, which is why you will see them living non religious lives while still thinking they will enter paradise for simply believing in jesus. thats as lazy as religion gets, and its why christians have been duped into accepting a state where church is separate from politics and criticize the islamic concept of religion encompassing all aspects of life be it private or public.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Greetings, friends old and new!

Fascinatingly (in my view), Christianity did not borrow from paganism but inherited the sacrificial tradition of the Temple, Moses, Abraham, all the way back to Adam. The Messiah's sacrifice fulfills all those ancient sacrifices, which served as a kind of dramatic prophecy pointing forward to Him and His work.

I share your distaste at the idea that the atonement was about transferring punishment from the guilty to the innocent. But that idea is merely a theory to explain the atonement. Not all Christians agree with it. What the Bible teaches is that the Messiah's sacrifice was an act of love to rescue sinners and bring them to God.

As a result, Christians are full of hope and assurance. There is no despair. We have a great Savior!

Human sacrifice is purely Pagan, and that's the problem, Christians only provide hopes to those who buy the sales pitch of Christianity, In Islam, EVERYONE , eventually goes to heaven, now Infidels like Christians, Atheists and so on may stay in hell for a billion years to serve their sentence and purify their sins, but eventually once cleaned off will enter heaven according to Islamic doctrine.

[Kushan Prince]

Greetings, friends old and new!

Fascinatingly (in my view), Christianity did not borrow from paganism but inherited the sacrificial tradition of the Temple, Moses, Abraham, all the way back to Adam. The Messiah's sacrifice fulfills all those ancient sacrifices, which served as a kind of dramatic prophecy pointing forward to Him and His work.

I share your distaste at the idea that the atonement was about transferring punishment from the guilty to the innocent. But that idea is merely a theory to explain the atonement. Not all Christians agree with it. What the Bible teaches is that the Messiah's sacrifice was an act of love to rescue sinners and bring them to God.

As a result, Christians are full of hope and assurance. There is no despair. We have a great Savior!

Christans are apocalyptic nutcases, they try to scare people with "the rapture" this why a lot of my friends have left Christianty.

[Afghanistan2010]

well we are promised an infinite paradise for an islamic life lived well, so i don't see the problem with the opposite.

while driving home i thought about this whole infinite and finite situation....

as long as you live and this is a finite situation,the doors of mercy,forgiveness are wide open for everyone who has even a seed or an atomweight of believe in his heart will enter paradise,as long as you seek forgiveness and blessings of God,he will countinue to forgive you and vanish your sins,but if you are living in arrogance and ignorance and never seek forgiveness your will be held accounted for your actions.

Yet this is the infinite situation,that the forgiveness and mercy is for all and infinite and has no borders,and Allah the most high there is no other God beside him says in the Book which is on his throne,

my mercy is bigger than my fury.

but for those whos heart are open and recognize and distinguish between sin and good deeds he will find this and never be in Hellfire for entirety,yet those who never sought the forgiveness or the mercy of their lord and has shut their hearts,Allah don't want to know them.

[یاسمینه]

Greetings, friends old and new!

Fascinatingly (in my view), Christianity did not borrow from paganism but inherited the sacrificial tradition of the Temple, Moses, Abraham, all the way back to Adam.

Yeah, but inherited what others took from pagan beliefs.
I have not heard that a new religion could be completely detached, separated from existing beliefs or tradition - new religion wouldn't find followers.
Christianity took a lot from old, pagan times. The idea of immaculate conception in Christianity seems to have much in common with very old myth of Jima (and Jimaki) conception. Three Kings coming to Bethlehem were in fact Zoroastrian mags who represented three social groups and three stages of life. Even the concept of the Holy Trinity is related to the archaic myth of the tripartite division. This division can also be observed in ancient Indian beliefs. Baptism - the ritual washing and pilgrimage are taken from pagan beliefs. Wine during the Holy Mass and haoma or soma - don't you see any similarities? What about rituals associated with death or resurrection? They also have roots in ancient Iranian beliefs.

[faye]

i consider the universe we have been given, as a paradise. humanity needs to recognise that and raise their consciousness to stop their pathetic squabbling over non important issues. learn to accept each other, with our individual beliefs, respect, share and help each other, to be worthy of this gift from god.

[Zirey]

Lynx,
you misunderstand the purpose of the councils. They did not invent our most holy Faith. They merely formulated an accurate expression of the Faith as taught by the Lord Jesus and His apostles from the beginning.

randolph85,
regarding how others live their lives, the Lord Jesus said, 'Judge not, that you be not judged."

RTR,
Sacrifice, human or otherwise, is a basic principle of life. We all live by the sacrifice of others, parents sacrifice for their children, husbands for their wives, soldiers for their country, etc. It was not a pagan who suggested Abraham sacrifice his son.

Kushan,
not all Christians have 'rapture fever.' That is more of a phenomenon among some American believers.

Yasmeenah,
the doctrines you mentioned have their roots in the Jewish or Hebrew Scriptures. For example, do you know why the wise men from the East came to Bethlehem? They knew the prophecy in the Hebrew Scriptures foretelling that the Divine-human Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

clear playing of semantics; sacrifice in the context of giving your life for your family is quite different than "blood atonement" by having someone ritually murdered to expiate sins

Face it; you follow a form of Paganism

[یاسمینه]

Yasmeenah,
the doctrines you mentioned have their roots in the Jewish or Hebrew Scriptures. For example, do you know why the wise men from the East came to Bethlehem? They knew the prophecy in the Hebrew Scriptures foretelling that the Divine-human Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.

Some of beliefs I was talking about are earlier . Do you know the oldest Iranian myths, like the myth about Zurwan? Plus, tha main topic was the relation between Christianity and pagan religions and this is undeniable.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Yasmeenah,
the doctrines you mentioned have their roots in the Jewish or Hebrew Scriptures. For example, do you know why the wise men from the East came to Bethlehem? They knew the prophecy in the Hebrew Scriptures foretelling that the Divine-human Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.

The Jewisih scripture you mention was itself influenced by Zoroastrianism and Egyptian doctrines.

[R3SISTANC3]

As a result, Christians are full of hope and assurance. There is no despair. We have a great Savior!

Christianity is a vile cult of White male worshipers. It is not a religion but a scam which appeals to blackmailing innocent people with the story of some anglo/saxon homosexual scarifying for their sins while at the same time happens to be the very "god" that these people need saving from...wtf????

The most retarded faith on the planet, period.

This is why most practicing Jews prefer Islam over Christianity. Ask any Rabbi, and hands down they'll say that Islam is a true monothistic faith while they consider Christianity a cult of pagans. Jews can pray at a mosque but are not allowed to enter a church. Jews also allow Muslims to use their synagogues but not Christians.

The secular Zionists are the biggest enemies between us, most of whom are wannabe Jews anglo/saxons.

[Afghanistan2010]

[Tjanaparh]

Some of beliefs I was talking about are earlier . Do you know the oldest Iranian myths, like the myth about Zurwan? Plus, tha main topic was the relation between Christianity and pagan religions and this is undeniable.

Didn'T Zurvanism develop a bit later?
As I know it developed as a sect in Zartushtism

[badmash_khel]

What is a finite sin?

being a hindu?

[khushal]

being a hindu?

explain how that is a finite sin.