Infinite punishment for a finite sin?

[khushal]

i know you love negativity, khushal, but why have you regressed to those silly uploads from someone elses brain?
are you aware of your ignorance?

use your voice man, if you actually have something you want to say. do
you have an argument, a debate?
is my comment too advanced for your limited cosciousness?
speak up lad, DO NOT BE AFRAID

[khushal]

May I ask You to tell about the word Munafiq too?

munafiq = hypocrit

[Tjanaparh]

munafiq = hypocrit

Ok, so this is how I knew it.
But in this case also the kafir are hypocrites in somehow, as tthey pretended a thing they did not believe themselves.

[Tjanaparh]

That's exactly what it is, the practice of human sacrifice as an atonement to God is a Pagan custom that Christianity plagiarized

What do You exacttly define as Pagan?

[khushal]

Ok, so this is how I knew it.
But in this case also the kafir are hypocrites in somehow, as tthey pretended a thing they did not believe themselves.

you could say that, but during the prophets(pbuh) time, munafiq were regarded as the ones who proclaimed to be muslims but their actions revealed the opposite. Also the Christians and jews were not regarded as "kafir." They were regarded as people of the book.

For Example, Osama had labeled the Saudi family as "murtad" (apostate) but the Saudi family have not publicly proclaimed to have left Islam. They publically say they follow and believe in Islam. Did he do it for political reasons to start an uprising? Judging from their actions are they "Munafiq?"

[faye]

are you projecting your bitterness onto amusement now, koosh?

[Tjanaparh]

you could say that, but during the prophets(pbuh) time, munafiq were regarded as the ones who proclaimed to be muslims but their actions revealed the opposite. Also the Christians and jews were not regarded as "kafir." They were regarded as people of the book.

For Example, Osama had labeled the Saudi family as "murtad" (apostate) but the Saudi family have not publicly proclaimed to have left Islam. They publically say they follow and believe in Islam. Did he do it for political reasons to start an uprising? Judging from their actions are they "Munafiq?"

About the Christians and Jews I knew. What about traditional beliefs or related to them.
How does Islam see them/us, or lets say, how does it focus on other beliefs?

[faye]

Judging from their actions are they "Munafiq?"

they're just muslims behaving badly.

[Afghanistan2010]

But hasn't the doors of ijtihad closed and 99% Muslims practice taqlid ?

Do you even know what you are talking off sir-

[khushal]

are you projecting your bitterness onto amusement now, koosh?

[faye]

don't pick your nose khushal. especially in public

[drona]

Do you even know what you are talking off sir-

Following Qur'an=ijtihad
Following scholars of Qur'an=taqleed

[Zirey]

Greetings, friends old and new!

Fascinatingly (in my view), Christianity did not borrow from paganism but inherited the sacrificial tradition of the Temple, Moses, Abraham, all the way back to Adam. The Messiah's sacrifice fulfills all those ancient sacrifices, which served as a kind of dramatic prophecy pointing forward to Him and His work.

I share your distaste at the idea that the atonement was about transferring punishment from the guilty to the innocent. But that idea is merely a theory to explain the atonement. Not all Christians agree with it. What the Bible teaches is that the Messiah's sacrifice was an act of love to rescue sinners and bring them to God.

As a result, Christians are full of hope and assurance. There is no despair. We have a great Savior!

[randolph85]

well we are promised an infinite paradise for an islamic life lived well, so i don't see the problem with the opposite.

[Shah-i-Kot]

Greetings, friends old and new!

Fascinatingly (in my view), Christianity did not borrow from paganism but inherited the sacrificial tradition of the Temple, Moses, Abraham, all the way back to Adam. The Messiah's sacrifice fulfills all those ancient sacrifices, which served as a kind of dramatic prophecy pointing forward to Him and His work.

I share your distaste at the idea that the atonement was about transferring punishment from the guilty to the innocent. But that idea is merely a theory to explain the atonement. Not all Christians agree with it. What the Bible teaches is that the Messiah's sacrifice was an act of love to rescue sinners and bring them to God.

As a result, Christians are full of hope and assurance. There is no despair. We have a great Savior!

However, the Christian faith was voted upon. It was decided by vote that Jesus would be God. This is an undisputable fact. Research it yourself.

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Councils/ecum01.htm

THE PROFESSION OF FAITH OF THE 318 FATHERS



We believe in one God the Father all powerful, maker of all things both seen and unseen. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten begotten from the Father, that is from the substance [Gr. ousias, Lat. substantia] of the Father, God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten [Gr. gennethenta, Lat. natum] not made [Gr. poethenta, Lat. factum], CONSUBSTANTIAL [Gr. homoousion, Lat. unius substantiae (quod Graeci dicunt homousion)] with the Father, through whom all things came to be, both those in heaven and those in earth; for us humans and for our salvation he came down and became incarnate, became human, suffered and rose up on the third day, went up into the heavens, is coming to judge the living and the dead. And in the holy Spirit.

It is a fact that Christianity today is a religion which was voted on at the Council of Nicae in . It was voted that they would make Prophet Jesus (pbuh) (who did not die on a cross) the God. The Christian faith decided to believe in a man as God by voting.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/sbrandt/nicea.htm

"The Council of Nicea, a gathering similar to the one described in Acts 15:4-22, condemned the beliefs of Arius and wrote the first version of the now famous creed proclaiming that the Son was "one in being with the Father" by use of the Greek word "homoousius."


"But concerning matters of faith, they [the bishops assembled at Nicea] did not write: 'It has been decided,' but 'Thus the Catholic Church believes.' And thereupon confessed how they believed. This they did to show that their judgement was not of more recent origin, but was in fact of Apostolic times..." (Volume 1, Faith of the Early Fathers, p338). In this regard also, Athanasius askes rhetorically, "... how many fathers [in other words, the writings of the early Christians] can you cite for your phrases?" (Ibid, p325)

Emperor Constantine (who was more concerned about his empire than religion) put forth the idea that the issue of attaching divinity to Jesus must be voted upon.