Slavery intrinsic to Arab Culture?

[khushal]

Quote the whole annotation verbatim come on Khushal, and come on does servant have to be a male ?

you're squirming, this is fun.

so what are you saying they were all female servants. Its also against pashtun culture to bring outside females to live in within your houselhold. They have to be related. If they bring outside females then they have to marry them. you dont know pasho culture very well.
There is no evidence that pashtuns enslaved anyone. this is a ridiculous and desperate attempt of yours.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

well if what you're saying is true that Pashuns wouldnt let other males near their women; then wouldn't that end up being the case?; where does it say it in Pashtunwali that you can't bring an outside female into your household? Show me a single shred of evidence that corroborates that.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

you won't even accept evidence even when it comes from a Pashtun source, the denial is strong in this one.

[khushal]

well if what you're saying is true that Pashuns wouldnt let other males near their women; then wouldn't that end up being the case?; where does it say it in Pashtunwali that you can't bring an outside female into your household? Show me a single shred of evidence that corroborates that.

dude people give peghor if a nonrelated female is living in the household. they accuse them of having a live in prostitute if such a scenerio exists.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

that's your evidence? ....this is just like word of mouth, you haven't shown one shred of evidence that supports your claim.

But let's hypotheszie you're right ok? Since slaves are deemed "property"; they are not seen as "women" in the context of free women; so the rules dealing with slaves often don't apply as it would with free women.

So you'd also have to prove that the rules for free women apply to slave women.

[khushal]

you won't even accept evidence even when it comes from a Pashtun source, the denial is strong in this one.

its not evidence, its an annotation. your too desperate. Dude if enslavement existed in the culture, I would admit it. I would not deny what is true. The best you can do is find an annotation. I told you before pashtun culture is in sync with nature and slavery in not in sync with nature.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

it's an annotatiion in a Book translated from books written by Pashtuns. If you don't accept your sources from your own society that verifies what happens and has happened in your society. Who's sources will you take?

well slavery existed in Pashtun culture , and you're not admitting it now, and I showed you it did and has. Heck why would Amanullah Khan have to BAN slavery if it didn't exist amongst Pashtuns? He was there to change/reform Pashtuns ; so if this was one of his reformations; it indicates it existed.

[khushal]

that's your evidence? ....this is just like word of mouth, you haven't shown one shred of evidence that supports your claim.

But let's hypotheszie you're right ok? Since slaves are deemed "property"; they are not seen as "women" in the context of free women; so the rules dealing with slaves often don't apply as it would with free women.

So you'd also have to prove that the rules for free women apply to slave women.

Its not word of mouth. Its fact.

I see where your going with this but where you err is that pashtunwali sees women as property. there is no such thing as a "slave woman" or a "free woman."

[RevolutionThroughReason]

well the concept of seeing someone as property is slavery. So if you want to go that route; then you've confirmed slavery exists in Pashtuns

women are treated as property but they're considered free women. since they can inherit from their husbands. Slaves don't inherit from their masters.

So you still have not presented any evidence that Hazara slave women were seen the same as meeting with non-slaved women.

[khushal]

it's an annotatiion in a Book translated from books written by Pashtuns. If you don't accept your sources from your own society that verifies what happens and has happened in your society. Who's sources will you take?

well slavery existed in Pashtun culture , and you're not admitting it now, and I showed you it did and has. Heck why would Amanullah Khan have to BAN slavery if it didn't exist amongst Pashtuns? He was there to change/reform Pashtuns ; so if this was one of his reformations; it indicates it existed.

If you bring me real evidence, I will concede but so far all you have is a commentary. anyone can comment, its like reading the opinion section in a newspaper.
I have to leave but I will get back to you about the amanullah thing.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I did bring you "real evidence"; this isn't imaginary evidence.

You will deny everything no matter how clearly it is demonstrated.

Annotations aren't "commentaries" the guy is saying this was the case based on the times he lived, it is a first hand account!

You are just in denial

[RevolutionThroughReason]

did you not read the reference in Abdur Rahman Khan's writings?

If it's a fact; how do you explain that Amir Abdur Rahman has a reference to it IN HIS book?

You're completely clueless

[Toramana]

[RevolutionThroughReason]

you are just a complete liar who goes on the internet to find anti pashtun propaganda and than comes on a pashtunforums and cliams it to be true and makes wild comments.
so far all you do is try to portray Pashtuns as slaveowners,womenbeaters,terrorists,and bacha baz. you FAIL miserably as everyone here knows that you defend every lie you tell.

so far tha BS you spew and try to justify it
"
-Hotaks are turks
-Pashtuns performed slavery
-taliban(pashtuns) are not muslims
-Pashtuns love to dance
-Pashtuns are actually sufis
-i speak pashto very well
-i know about Afghanistan and pukhtunkhwa
-iam like prophet muhammad(s.a.w)
-it is perfectly fine as a near forty years old to prey on little girls online
-Muta zillah is the way to go
-iraqis are not arab yemenis are
"

ALl nonsensical hallucinations you invented in your mind due to mental illness possibly related to you experiencing child abuse when you were younger. Hence you invent all these absurd distortions of misrepresentations.

But regardess what does that have to do with Abdur Rahman Khan's own books which mention the slavery of Hazaras, you know who Abdur Rahman Khan is right? He was KING of Afghanistan one time; I think he'd know better than you. He maybe a wretched king, but he was responsible for the expanse of Pashtun society, whether you like it or not.

[badmash_khel]

Is that the proof for Evolution?