Preaching Christianity should be stopped in Afghanistan.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

You missed the whole point. Go over them again.


Go over the Afghan constitution, Take a look at Afghanistans present state. It will make sense to you more.

Can you please show that part of the constitution?

[IamDZJ]

You missed the whole point. Go over them again.


Go over the Afghan constitution, Take a look at Afghanistans present state. It will make sense to you more.

i don't care for a constitution that doesn't make any sense to me. afghanistan's present state is the result of a bunch arrogant well fed morons who refuse to accept responsibility for their actions. get real please.

[DaNangarharZuwan]

Dear brother, calm down and take a deep breath for your own sake!

Dear Sister,Don't tell me what to do. Thanks.

Don't feel attacked, k? 'S all good.

I never said I feel attacked.

What is nonsense?
And where did I say it's okay to convert Muslims to Christianity? I've never, ever said that, bro, so your comment is utterly baseless.

If we can preach OUR religion in other people's countries, we have NO right to stop others from preaching theirs in our country.

This is nonsense. Clear you are lack knowledge and are unaware of the Afghan constitution. Do some research before you pass on a judgement. Afghanistan is not developed, Its uneducated. If you create your own religion people will convert based on the wealth you have to offer. That is what christians are doing there. That is why the Government has banned them. Look into it.

BUT! I don't beleive in double standards;

Are you a Muslim? Any Muslim would say no to Christianity in his land.

I woudln't support them under any circumstances. I have said over and over only that if MUSLIMS are allowed to build mosques in non-Muslim countries, AND to practice their religion in non-Muslim countries, the non-Muslims should be allowed the exact same thing in Muslim countries. Otherwise, we're denying them a right that we demand of them in THEIR countries. Am I wrong?

Your entire post is wrong.
1)Afghanistan's constitution forbiddens it.
2)Its taking advantage of the poor, and its against UN policies. Look at my previous responses for a better understanding. You are coming at this from a neutral perspective, Not a Muslim. If you are not Muslim. It would make more sense.

Do you believe it's okay for Muslims to preach Islam or build mosques, etc. in those areas of non-Muslim countries where there are very few or no Muslims? If your answer to THIS question is, "Yes!" then my answer to the question of whether we should allow for churches to be built in Afghanistan will also have to be yes. If your answer is no, then my answer will be on as well.

Again, You are going against Afghanistans constituion and UN policies that go against such churches. There was even the topic here how the churches were banned. Afghan politicians spoke exactly my argument. Take a look at this threads.

But if you look at the direction of this thread, you'll note that most of the posts here aren't about whether we can preach Islam or build mosques in non-Muslim countries where there are no Muslims; it's whether non-Muslims are allowed to preach their religion ANYWHERE in Muslim countries. Many members say, "No, because only Islam is the correct religion." I've answered, "Why not? If you can preach your religion to them and demand that they give you your basic human rights (e.g., practice your religion freely) in THEIR land, why can't they have the same right on YOUR land?"

Again, Afghanistan is Soverign country, Show respect to it. It forbiddens such things. Afghanistan is 99.9 percent Muslim. From an Islamic perspective, Its not appreciated. They are uneducated. For a dollar you might convert people.

So, yeah, while the topic may be about a poor Muslim country, the posts here aren't about Afghanistan at all; they've changed direction to "my faith is better than everyone else's, and that's why *I* am allowed to preach my religion to the entire world but NO one can preach theirs to ME! Duh - I just SAID I'm on the right path already, you know!"

That, my dear brother, is called double standards, injustice, ignorance, etc.

This my dear sister is called spreading nonsense,illogical ideas with no coherence.

[Roshina]

I did. I find them illogical and full of nonsense. All I see is fallacies from an Islamic point of view.

From a neutral/Atheist point of view its fine.

"If Muslims can preach, so can we" But they fail to realize the people there are poor. I can probably create my own religion there and just feed em a dollar a day and they will convert. Why are we eliminating our own religion.

From a Afghan constitutional point of view, Its not allowed. So her post is wrong in 2 ways, Constitionally, and Islamically.

:p Just becuase you lack the ability to understand my posts, dear brother, doesn't mean they're illogical or nonsensical You say they're illogical and then you say "it's not allowed from a constitutional point of view" -- where's the logic in your view, bro?

And what is so "un-Islamic" about my view on whether non-Muslims can preach their religions in Muslim lands? How MUCH of Islam do you know, anyway?

You wanna discuss logic with me? You wanna discuss Islam with me? Please do. I invite you to ANY debate you'd like to hold with me on ANY topic on logic and/or Islam. I spend every day of my life studying Islam, and I find nothing more exciting to do with my time. So it'll be a pleasure, to say the least! I never tire from them. But before you even start, you must know what you're talking about; we already have enough of people around who THINK they know stuff but in reality don't -- and even when, in rare cases, they do, they lack the ability to hold a decent discussion (or they lack good manners; no one seems to have taught them how to behave in public), so that makes their posts very unpleasant to read.

Stick around, and you'll see what I mean.

P.S. Neutral doesn't equal atheist, or vice versa. Shocked? Don't be. You'll see it yourself in due time as you read more members on PF.

[Muslimah]

DaNangarharZuwan
Look at North America. A place that is supposed to "hate Muslims" and be intolerant of other religions. Here, it is a Christian deemed part of the world. We get all the days off for Christian holidays.
BUT, we can still practice our religion. There are sikh temples, buddhist temples, MANY MANY mosques. We are tolerated and accepted.
Of course, I am sure some non-Muslims may oppose to these places being built - it is a fact and we can't avoid it.
I work in a school board run by Christians. I get Christmas holidays, Easter holidays, etc. And when I have EID, they grant me my days off. They know when Ramadan is for me.
Quite frankly - we can't avoid things evolving. Just as Islam is spreading SUPER DUPER fast in the West, we can't expect Christians not to try the same thing in the East. I just wish them luck! Muslims for the vast majority are a lot more religious than many other religions.

[Roshina]

@ DaNangarharZwan:

Wait ... is this about Afghan's constitution or about Islam? And is it wrong to go against ANY constitution?

Just so you know, my thoughts are in general; they're not about whether the Afghan constitution allows for non-Muslims to build their temples/churches/etc. in Afghanistan or not.

IF that was the case, there'd be nothing to discuss, right? The matter would be simple and over: "The Afghan constitution doesn't allow for churches to be built, so the Christians have no right to do this. This is NOT up for discussion! It's a conclusive remark, and there's nothing to discuss about this. All humans, particularly Afghans and Muslims, MUST agree; if they disagree, they're going against the constitution, they're being un-Islamic, and they're being illogical."

Wow. And that makes sense to certain people? :S Where's the sense?

[DaNangarharZuwan]

:p Just becuase you lack the ability to understand my posts,

Assuming already? Sister, This is how you debate? Smiley faces,emoticon all over the places and baseless assumptions?

dear brother, doesn't mean they're illogical or nonsensical

Again, I am not sure how old you are. Cause this isn't a tough subject. But I suggest you to do some research before you assume. Just because your professor gave you a lecture, Does not mean you know it at all

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You say they're illogical and then you say "it's not allowed from a constitutional point of view" -- where's the logic in your view, bro?

Where is the logic in my view? Are you out your mind? My nations constitution DOES NOT PERMIT what you are trying to justify. Do you see the logic now?

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And what is so "un-Islamic" about my view on whether non-Muslims can preach their religions in Muslim lands? How MUCH of Islam do you know, anyway?

Enough to know you are up to no good. As a Muslim, I will never accept Non-Muslims in My Islamic land, forcing the poor the convert into christianity. They did the same exact thing in Nigeria, Look it up.

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You wanna discuss logic with me?You wanna discuss Islam with me?

Don't shoot me.

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Please do. I invite you to ANY debate you'd like to hold with me on ANY topic on logic and/or Islam. I spend every day of my life studying Islam,

Refrain from derailing the thread.

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and I find nothing more exciting to do with my time. So it'll be a pleasure, to say the least! I never tire from them. But before you even start, you must know what you're talking about; we already have enough of people around who THINK they know stuff but in reality don't

This is not giving me a good impression of you. You are constantly insulting members. How about we work on teaching those members that according to you, You debated in the past with and they did not meet your standards.

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-- and even when, in rare cases, they do, they lack the ability to hold a decent discussion (or they lack good manners; no one seems to have taught them how to behave in public), so that makes their posts very unpleasant to read.

Look above

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Stick around, and you'll see what I mean.

I will try.

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P.S. Neutral doesn't equal atheist, or vice versa. Shocked? Don't be. You'll see it yourself in due time as you read more members on PF.

Your scaring me away. I never said its equal. Why are you assuming? Like I said before, From an Islamic point of view. FROM AN ISLAMIC POINT OF VIEW, Its unacceptable. In the west, where secularism is allowed. Its acceptable. That is our difference.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

What's the point of having the sorta faith that's changed by a dollar? If your religion is so clearly correct, why would any preacher alter it? Is our national identity so weak that it can be changed just like that?

If our people can believe that there was a man who was also his own son and the intermediary between them who died on a cross but then went up to heaven to live with his father even though the father and son were always one being to begin with and if you symbolically eat his/their flesh and blood, you'll be 'saved'.... if our people can believe THAT, they might as well become Hindus for all I care. Jai Raam, anyone?

[DaNangarharZuwan]

@ DaNangarharZwan:

Wait ... is this about Afghan's constitution or about Islam? And is it wrong to go against ANY constitution?

Just so you know, my thoughts are in general; they're not about whether the Afghan constitution allows for non-Muslims to build their temples/churches/etc. in Afghanistan or not.

IF that was the case, there'd be nothing to discuss, right? The matter would be simple and over: "The Afghan constitution doesn't allow for churches to be built, so the Christians have no right to do this. This is NOT up for discussion! It's a conclusive remark, and there's nothing to discuss about this. All humans, particularly Afghans and Muslims, MUST agree; if they disagree, they're going against the constitution, they're being un-Islamic, and they're being illogical."

Wow. And that makes sense to certain people? :S Where's the sense?

So now you are insulting the constitution of my country?

Take care.

[DaNangarharZuwan]

What's the point of having the sorta faith that's changed by a dollar? If your religion is so clearly correct, why would any preacher alter it? Is our national identity so weak that it can be changed just like that?

Very good point you have raised, Our nation is poor. Just like how Nigeria is poor, Those 4 Christians group that were banned in Afghanistan. Were banned for the same exact reason.

[Muslimah]

GAHHH

Q - keep it coming please!

[Muslimah]

Very good point you have raised, Our nation is poor. Just like how Nigeria is poor, Those 4 Christians group that were banned in Afghanistan. Were banned for the same exact reason.

How does being poor have anything to do with religion?

[DaNangarharZuwan]

How does being poor have anything to do with religion?

Because they give aid, pass em a bible, Offer more aid for conversion. Read this, Its recent. Just a week ago. http://www.3news.co.nz/Two-Christian...4/Default.aspx

[Roshina]

So now you are insulting the constitution of my country?

WHAT??? LOL! Oh my God! Mind quoting me on where I dared to disrespect or insult the constitution of the land of my ancestors?

And, by the way, in your post before this one, you don't seem to understand the meaning of logic. There's nothing logical about not permitting something just because a constitution doesn't support it. That has nothing to do with logic; that has to do with ... oh, supporting the constitution. Nationalism, perhaps. Or patriotism, too.

LOGIC would play a role in the discussion/perspective if we were questioning whether the constitution is RIGHT to forbid such a thing -- or whether it's logical or illogical for the constitution to forbid it. Otherwise, it has nothing to do with logic :|

As far as Islam is concerned, whenever you wanna tell us that something's un-Islamic, please remember to give evidence from the Quran and/or hadiths. Or then don't say that at all, 'cause anyone can come here and say, "This is haraam!" or "This is un-Islamic!" or "That's not acceptable in Islam!" but why should we listen if it's not explained/proven why it's haraam/unacceptable/un-Islamic? And how can we trust that that's really the case?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Because they give aid, pass em a bible, Offer more aid for conversion. Read this, Its recent. Just a week ago. http://www.3news.co.nz/Two-Christian...4/Default.aspx

The Wahabis do the same thing in Afghanistan, what's your point?