Why Evolutiontheory is just a theory and not an Evidence

[ozymandias]

oooh gosh, hahaha you have to read the evolution debates they're hilarious; everything he sites that he claims debunks evolution, actually confirmed evolution.

I actually asked him to take his rebuttals against evolution publicly and challenge known researchers in evolutionary biology

guess what his response was?

I suspect he called you childish names, and then went on to disprove evolution by talking about the color of house his opponent grew up in...

[ScimitarXEdge]

Wow.

this guy ****mitar is clearly grasping for starws.

So if anyone has a manufacturing plant, then they are an "infidel".

You just blew my mind son.

manufacturing a plant in a capitalist based economic system which collects profits by inflating value from it's intrinsic value. the bastion of the inifdel

you're what they call a big hypocrite Infidel Alchemist

[ScimitarXEdge]

I suspect he called you childish names, and then went on to disprove evolution by talking about the color of house his opponent grew up in...

hahaa more or less ...but to be fair I do make personal comments about him, but only to demonstrate that this guy constantly tries to mae appeals to religious sentiments but he totally disregards major religious laws for example he owns a Fast Food Place that serves pork, which is considered a heinous moral crime

but he'll use religion to dissuade and emotionally black mail people into disagreeing with evolution even if the evidence is available

[Alchemist]

Indeed I did, and I already explained exactly how your logic was flawed based on that video. Just because a strain evolved to be better suited in a modified environment does *not* mean it is better suited in the unmodified one.

That's just common sense. You clearly have no understanding of evolution if you think that the modified strain is guaranteed to be better suited than the original in all cases.

It isn't actually "modified" dear sir. Variation exists. The artificial stressor allows for one variant to reproduce while suppressing other variants.

That variant which flourishes does not have an "adaptive" advantage since in the absence of the artificial stressor it cannot compete with the wild strain - which is more successful.

In order for you prove evolution happens, you have to show that a mutation is beneficial, in it's own, and not because you are creating an abnormal enviornment that artificially selects for mutants. Say you are using a powerful magical device that kills off people who have proper eyesight, and leaves only those who are blind...the blind will flourish and the seeing people will multiply. You stop zapping your wand, and people with proper eyes can grow, then obviously seeing people have an advantage over blind ones, and they will flourish ...should be easy to fantasies such a scenario? LOL

[ScimitarXEdge]

In order for you prove evolution happens, you have to show that a mutation is beneficial,

what sort of nonsequittur is that? there are numerous mutations which aren't beneficial, or they're both beneficial and harmful but the same gene helps them in some other way, for example the gene for Sickle Cell anemia also allows get immunity to Malaria

[ozymandias]

It isn't actually "modified" dear sir. Variation exists. The artificial stressor allows for one variant to reproduce while suppressing other variants.

That variant which flourishes does not have an "adaptive" advantage since in the absence of the artificial stressor it cannot compete with the wild strain - which is more successful.

Ok, how do you not understand the fact that the modified strain *HAS AN ADAPTIVE ADVANTAGE IN THE NEW ENVIRONMENT*? It has such a huge advantage, that the original strain *DIED OUT*.

You cannot take a strain adapted to one environment, place it in a different environment, and claim it has no advantages based on that. That's just illogical and silly.

In order for you prove evolution happens, you have to show that a mutation is beneficial, in it's own, and not because you are creating an abnormal enviornment that artificially selects for mutants.

Do you even understand what evolution is? It is the selection of mutations that make a creature better suited to an environment. The abnormal environment is what *CAUSES* evolution in an otherwise stable strain. If nothing changes in the environment, there is no need for drastic evolution.

Say you are using a powerful magical device that kills off people who have proper eyesight, and leaves only those who are blind...the blind will flourish and the seeing people will multiply. You stop zapping your wand, and people with proper eyes can grow, then obviously seeing people have an advantage over blind ones, and they will flourish ...should be easy to fantasies such a scenario? LOL

And you just described evolution. Thank you.

[Alchemist]

Congratulations! You provided a video that exactly states what I already pointed out.

Glad to see you can find videos to back up my point -- and prove you have no understanding of evolution at all.

Goes to show how delusional you are. The scientist specifically tells how resistance is not proof of evolution...

Wow.

Two deluded people can reinforce their delusions more successfully.

Variation in genes, does not mean speciation, my dear. It is an example of "micro evolution". No new genetic information is created.

Know the difference.

Please.

[ozymandias]

what sort of nonsequittur is that? there are numerous mutations which aren't beneficial, or they're both beneficial and harmful but the same gene helps them in some other way, for example the gene for Sickle Cell anemia also allows get immunity to Malaria

I like how he clearly doesn't understand what evolution is -- given the fact that he has just claimed that in order to prove evolution, we need to some how remove half of what evolution is and then prove the remaining half.

[Alchemist]

As you can see people. The american education of the 80s is a failure...ozy and ****mitar are examples.

[ozymandias]

Goes to show how delusional you are. The scientist specifically tells how resistance is not proof of evolution...

Wow.

Two deluded people can reinforce their delusions more successfully.

Variation in genes, does not mean speciation, my dear. It is an example of "micro evolution". No new genetic information is created.

Know the difference.

Please.

And optimization for one environment does not require optimization in all environments. Know some basic logic. Please.

[ozymandias]

As you can see people. The american education of the 80s is a failure...ozy and ****mitar are examples.

Clearly. It was such a failure that you cannot even debate me, or make a single valid point, and instead make up your own straw-man definition of evolution, and then pretend to disprove that, while only making a fool of yourself.

Why don't you go try to breath underwater? By your logic, since mankind is optimally suited to breath in the air, you must also be optimally suited for every other environment.

[Alchemist]

And optimization for one environment does not require optimization in all environments. Know some basic logic. Please.

There is only one environment my dear ...

we are talking about evolution - the creation of new information by random chance ...you are giving an example of variation of existing information.

when you understand the difference...your mind will blow.

[ScimitarXEdge]

to quote the same Video that Alchemist posted where he claims the scientist in the video says that resistance is not evidence of evolution

I quote word for word verbatim

"Antibiotic resistance in terms of natural selection is an excellent example in its use. It's one of the hallmark examples given in microevolution for support of Darwinian thought'

[Alchemist]

Clearly. It was such a failure that you cannot even debate me, or make a single valid point, and instead make up your own straw-man definition of evolution, and then pretend to disprove that, while only making a fool of yourself.

Why don't you go try to breath underwater? By your logic, since mankind is optimally suited to breath in the air, you must also be optimally suited for every other environment.

bacteria can 'breath' in air and water.

don't change the "subject"

[Alchemist]

to quote the same Video that Alchemist posted where he claims the scientist in the video says that resistance is not evidence of evolution

I quote word for word verbatim

Yes jack ass


MICROEVOLUTION!!!!!!!!

MICROOOOOOOOO


MICROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO




LOL


wow...idiots!