Sharia or Secular State?

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Dawa is very important to spread the message and educate people

Ok Daw'ah between Muslims only, focus on Muslims first let other people discover Islam for themselves.

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wajibul qatal means when it becomes obligatory to kill someone for something

There's also a concept known as "irstaHmah" which means looking for reasons to be merciful

[emkhan]

There's also a concept known as "irstaHmah" which means looking for reasons to be merciful

I have just explained to you the meaning of that word and nothing else.

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I have just explained to you the meaning of that word and nothing else.

fair enough, wajibul qatal also means obligation to fight

[Azmaray]

fair enough, wajibul qatal also means obligation to fight

to kill .

[شمله ور خراساني]

which system brings prosperity? maximizes human potential? sure as hell aint shariah

Maqasid of Sharia or Objectives of Shariah are not to accumulate worldly gains.

[شمله ور خراساني]

this is why the Islamic world is such a rape victim. this is why our societies are so useless and garbage. you keep thinking this way, while your Islamic society keeps gettin punked.

but then again, this world doesnt matter right, its the hereafter that does? People for whom this world is not a priority should not exist in this world, since they make no contributions to it.

i declare you worthy of being killed, not because im an insecure emotional woman who doesnt like a disagreeable opinion, but because your existence on earth is so very unnecessary

let me know when you guys are ready to do something about your resources being stolen, your people killed, your identities destroyed and your women molested. as long as archaic thinking is still promoted,ill know yall are not ready/

Stop being a cry baby.

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to kill .

yeah but it says "qatiloo alladhina la2 yu2minoon bi Allahi wala2 bil yawm al akhiri" it doesn't mean kill here, it means fight.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Qatal does not necessarily have to mean killing. In Pashto qatal means murder. But in Arabic it doesn't have to.

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Despite my disagreement with Amir al Ghaznavi, he makes some valid points

and Shari'ah is about prosperity in this world AND the next; we're not all supposed to be Sufis who just sit around and do dhikr all day.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Despite my disagreement with Amir al Ghaznavi, he makes some valid points

and Shari'ah is about prosperity in this world AND the next; we're not all supposed to be Sufis who just sit around and do dhikr all day.

But being poor does not mean that Islam is no good. This is what Amir al Murtad is implying.

[Azmaray]

yeah but it says "qatiloo alladhina la2 yu2minoon bi Allahi wala2 bil yawm al akhiri" it doesn't mean kill here, it means fight.

yeh qitalo/qital means fight but qatal means kill .

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But being poor does not mean that Islam is no good. This is what Amir al Murtad is implying.

Well I agree with that, honestly we're supposed to live in balance with what God created, so wealth is actually secondary but we also need to fortify ourselves against kufar, so we need resources to do that.

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yeh qitalo/qital means fight but qatal means kill .

qatal is just a the infinitive.

qaaf ta lam = to kill

qaaf ta alif lam = to fight

[emkhan]

Despite my disagreement with Amir al Ghaznavi, he makes some valid points

and Shari'ah is about prosperity in this world AND the next; we're not all supposed to be Sufis who just sit around and do dhikr all day.

yes and Islam never tells you to sit in the corner of a mosque and do dikr. it is but to intermingle with people in the society, it tells you to help others, to learn from others, to teach others, to explore the world, to stop people from doing wrong and encourage people for doing good, to worship Allah and obey his prophet Muhammad peace be upon him but all these should be in the limits of Islamic teachings. What ghaznavi is talking about IS giving full freedom to human soul to do what he or she likes.
This "do what you want" thing is not allowed in Islam