Who is a Muslim?

[afghan]

when u believe in different books that contradict each other, that just makes u a retard, which is what bahais are.

if this is the case what do you think about muslim are the muslims retard? muslim believe in all the prophets so in thier holy scriptures. i was asking about ahmadis what makes them diffirent than bahais?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I don't call you kafir because you say the kalma and i have reserved judgement till i get more knowledge.

May Allah reward you, for your husn-e zan.

Don't forget there are many types of "Hanafi" scholars.

[randolph85]

if this is the case what do you think about muslim are the muslims retard? muslim believe in all the prophets so in thier holy scriptures. i was asking about ahmadis what makes them diffirent than bahais?

muslims believe the prior holybooks were mostly man made and corrupted, the quran states like no other book that it is incorruptable, the final religion and the complete word of god. no other religious book states this. any book, belief, or prophet that has come afterwards is false.

[ScimitarXEdge]

MEEMWAW, there's a difference between being name called kafir and actually being one. If you haven't discerned that difference; that that explains why you're in this constant meandering desperation to constantly trying to justify yourself to everyone else.

[afghan]

Bahais believe the Quran and Islam to be obsolete. Now, you answer me.

many denies that bahai is not a sect of islam as you can see they consider is as their parental religion.

As to Muhammad, the Apostle of God, let none among His followers who read these pages, think for a moment that either Islám, or its Prophet, or His Book, or His appointed Successors, or any of His authentic teachings, have been, or are to be in any way, or to however slight a degree, disparaged. The lineage of the Báb, the descendant of the Imám Husayn; the divers and striking evidences, in Nabíl's Narrative, of the attitude of the Herald of our Faith towards the Founder, the Imáms, and the Book of Islám; the glowing tributes paid by Bahá'u'lláh in the Kitáb-i-Íqán to Muhammad and His lawful Successors, and particularly to the "peerless and incomparable" Imám Husayn; the arguments adduced, forcibly, fearlessly, and publicly by `Abdu'l-Bahá, in churches and synagogues, to demonstrate the validity of the Message of the Arabian Prophet; and last but not least the written testimonial of the Queen of Rumania, who, born in the Anglican faith and notwithstanding the close alliance of her government with the Greek Orthodox Church, the state religion of her adopted country, has, largely as a result of the perusal of these public discourses of `Abdu'l-Bahá, been prompted to proclaim her recognition of the prophetic function of Muhammad-- all proclaim, in no uncertain terms, the true attitude of the Bahá'í Faith towards its parent religion.

[randolph85]

parent religion as in a separate religion lol bahais are clowns.

[afghan]

muslims believe the prior holybooks were mostly man made and corrupted, the quran states like no other book that it is incorruptable, the final religion and the complete word of god. no other religious book states this. any book, belief, or prophet that has come afterwards is false.

well the quran has mentioned those books that they were sent to diffirent prophets during the periods of times.
And yes quran did say that these books got corrupted.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

MEEMWAW, there's a difference between being name called kafir and actually being one. If you haven't discerned that difference; that that explains why you're in this constant meandering desperation to constantly trying to justify yourself to everyone else.

You have discerned the difference? Really?

First tell me why they are calling you a kafir. Then, tell why you are not a kafir. Then, tell why they are calling you a kafir. Then, tell me why you are not a kafir....get the pattern? Can't wait for your responses.

Secondly, I don't need to prove to anyone why I am a Muslim. I am just curious to know why you all take pleasure in declaring people kafir. You all, especially you--who for some odd reason thinks that he does not commit logical fallacies--need to prove why you have taken the authority in your hands to declaring people Muslim and non-Muslim.

ps

If I were you I would seize telling people they commit logical fallacies. You are worst than Toramana when it comes to committing logical fallacies

[Fahd]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL i swear thats funnnnnnnnnnnnnny hahaha i should tell about this thread to ma profesor hahahah and how u ppl say why they call u kafir and .....etc hahaha

[Alchemist]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL i swear thats funnnnnnnnnnnnnny hahaha i should tell about this thread to ma profesor hahahah and how u ppl say why they call u kafir and .....etc hahaha

One time in university we had an "afghan eid event" and we invited all highschool students to give them "career" advice. In our party there were a few ismailies too. After dinner was served, we decided to pray maghrib in the same room. So I went to call out the boys in the hall way to come for prayers but most of these young afghans shied away. I didn't press them on. The Ismailies joined in, even though from they are taught that namaz is not fardz on them.
And from my experience this was not a unique and special case. Most are just Muslim by name. We can get into the gritty details of who is muslim or not. But I swear by Allah, for the Sahaba (alihamosalam), if the call to prayer was made and the people didn't answered it for whatever reason, they would have deemed them kafir right then and there! Just for not praying 5 times a day!
These secterian issues would be nothing if people just followed Siratul Mustaqeem.

[Dukemina]

^If only it was that easy lol

How about a different approach?

A belief - derived from the hadith that Islam would split into many sects out of which one will enter Paradise: Eventually, after punishment, these other sects will also enter Paradise for anyone who has even an atoms weight of belief will enter Paradise.

So stop calling each other kafirs already *sigh*

[Alchemist]

^If only it was that easy lol

How about a different approach?

A belief - derived from the hadith that Islam would split into many sects out of which one will enter Paradise: Eventually, after punishment, these other sects will also enter Paradise for anyone who has even an atoms weight of belief will enter Paradise.

So stop calling each other kafirs already *sigh*

you underestimate hell.


edit: just realized your avatar... it's from that marvel "islamic" cartoon about stones that grant powers that reflect that attributes of Allah...ee...yeah .... saw him pitching his show on TED....you watch the cartoon? yeah...underestimation of the attributes of Allah.

[Fahd]

One time in university we had an "afghan eid event" and we invited all highschool students to give them "career" advice. In our party there were a few ismailies too. After dinner was served, we decided to pray maghrib in the same room. So I went to call out the boys in the hall way to come for prayers but most of these young afghans shied away. I didn't press them on. The Ismailies joined in, even though from they are taught that namaz is not fardz on them.
And from my experience this was not a unique and special case. Most are just Muslim by name. We can get into the gritty details of who is muslim or not. But I swear by Allah, for the Sahaba (alihamosalam), if the call to prayer was made and the people didn't answered it for whatever reason, they would have deemed them kafir right then and there! Just for not praying 5 times a day!
These secterian issues would be nothing if people just followed Siratul Mustaqeem.

lol thats right bro we did that when we were lil kids :p and still u can see boys in mecca do that in pray time all mecca is banned else the mousq's are opened but kids play football or setting talkin to each other lol but we have good ppl who walk and tell them let's go and pray and make them feel embressed (and they arent embressed of allah ) also there is ''The Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice'' who take u into somethin like jail idk lol !!

and if ppl followed Siratul Mustaqeem they really gona be following sunni !!

[Fahd]

^If only it was that easy lol

How about a different approach?

A belief - derived from the hadith that Islam would split into many sects out of which one will enter Paradise: Eventually, after punishment, these other sects will also enter Paradise for anyone who has even an atoms weight of belief will enter Paradise.

So stop calling each other kafirs already *sigh*

LOOOOOOOL u sure ? cuz thats funny if any one is sure about him/her going to Paradise even he did bad things or follow shia or any other sects !!

and to make u feel more better :p
this is life fire /heat/hell





and what about hell fire ?
Allah's Apostle (Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam) said, "Your (ordinary) fire
is one of 70 parts of the (Hell) Fire." Someone asked, "O Allah's Apostle,
this (ordinary) fire would have been sufficient (to torture the
unbelievers)," Allah's Apostle (Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam) said, "The
(Hell) Fire has 69 parts more than the ordinary (worldly) fire, each part
is as hot as this (worldly) fire."



i couldnt find the all ahadith i always make transalte and then search in google for hours
can u Alchemist give links of haidth site's sunni one

[TheRealPower]

if you are muslim you dont need ask something like this