Who is a Muslim?

[emkhan]

Sahabah (r.a) became infidel by denying the divine right (Wilayat) of Hazrat Ali. First three caliph and other Sahabas became infidel by denying the divine right of (Wilayat) of Hazrat Ali. (Asool Kaafi, Page No. 420)

After the said demised of the Prophet, all Sahabah turned apostate except four. (Israr-e-Muhammad, Page No. 43)

It is infidelity (Kufr) to doubt about the infidelity (Kufr) of Hazrat Umar. (Jila-ul-Ayoun, Page No. 63)

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[skhanlz]

You will not find fatwas from their scholars because they practice taqiyaa.

[graveyardofempires]

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you can not judge what is in people's hearts. Do you have knowledge of what's in their hearts and what they truly believe. if not then take what they say as the truth. I don't think you undrestand the meaning or conditions of Taqiya. all muslims are allowed to lie in certain circumstances. I am sure you know that.

here is a little fatwa by khamanei banning the cursing of sahabas and wives of prophet muhammad (saw)




Its not their scholars fault that common people ignore this and carry on.

I can find more fatwas for you if you want.

Dude
are you shia?
here are some of your beloved khomainis words
YouTube - FILTH OF THE SHIA EXPOSED!! - & YOU WANT UNITY WITH THEM!?

[Nokia_Apridy]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh da rekhtya di ?

[graveyardofempires]

da pe shai kitaboono ke leekelshewey dey

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

why are you putting qadianis and shias in the same catergory?

shias are accepted as muslims by majority of muslims while qadianis are not.

By the way, the majority of the scholars do not consider the shias as muslims. We have nothing personal against anyone, but when you weigh the evidence they are far away from the truth. May Allah guide us all and keep us in good Faith.

The statement made by skhanlz is very powerful: "the majority of the scholars do not consider the shias as muslims."

This leads me to ask Timbuktu: where did you get the idea that it is not the majority? And, skhanlz: where did you get the idea that it is the majority?

Does "majority" matter when declaring someone a kafir? No, it does not. It only matters to someone who is having a hard time deciding for himself who is a Muslim and who is not. To those who have declared anyone a kafir all that matters is whether they accept the mufti who has passed the fatwa. Period. It is based on this paradigm that Muslims are divided. However, we do also have among our Muslims those who don't care about the what the majority says, they simply live and let live.

Recently, Zakir Naik was declared a kafir, many rejoiced and many did not. Why? Because it was not about the majority. Even though, it is only a handful of people who regard Zakir Naik as kafir, this is still a grave danger to Dr. Naik's safety: all it takes is one bullet, from one opponent. The same type of pattern can be found in ALL sects of Islam. Look at Sufis of today and those who call themselves As Salaf as Saalih. These two sects hate each other so much so that they do not care for the majority opinion, they have gone ahead and declared each other kafir based on certain aspects. Little do they know that Hadhrat Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) was a Sufi. They have made this into a sort of oxymoron. Little knowledge is so dangerous that it has caused a great scholar to be hated and liked for the wrong reasons.

In other words, it does not matter what you follow, as long as you call yourself a Muslim you are a kafir in one way or another, not to non-Muslims, but Muslims themselves. Sadly, but this is the state of affairs of the Muslims. The only false reassurance that people have is to follow the "majority," as if that will save you from Hell. Why? Because there is not such thing as the majority.

The majority only exists when it comes to Ahmadiyyat. In was in 1974 that papers published that 72 sects of Islam rejected ONE. This has never happened before and it will never happen again. Therefore, why is it that the rest of the Muslims are still at each others' necks declaring each other kafir?

So, the question should be asked again: who is a Muslim?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Answer: not you

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Answer: not you

Don't worry, brother, you have also been declared a kafir.

Since you are a Mu'tazilah, here is your fatwa.

YouTube - Feiz Mohammad - The Mu'tazilah [Deviant Sects Series]

[ScimitarXEdge]

but the difference is; you actually contradict a few established criteria of Islamic beliefs I do not.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Of course you would never admit you were a kafir. I don't think you are that stupid. However, people will still call you a kafir. I would not, because for me the only condition is the condition of the founder of Islam, Hadhrat Muhammad (saw), which is: la ilaaha illallahu muhammad rasulullah. Period. Nothing more and nothing less.

The people who call you a kafir have their own criteria for what is and what is not a Muslim, just as they have for me.

For you to call me a kafir and say that you are not because you don't contradict the established creteria would mean to first explain what the established criteria are, and then to explain why you are called a kafir, if you fit the established criteria. You would never be able to that. NEVER. Why would you never be able to do that? Because if you were able to, you would have never been called a kafir in the first place.

I don't call you a kafir--never have and never will--but those who do call you a kafir follow their own rule, not the rule of our beloved Prophet (saw).

That said, if we were to use Hadhrat Muhammad Rasulullah's (saw) criteria on you, would come out a Muslim, and if we were to use on me, I would also come out a Muslim. Otherwise, you would always be a kafir, even if it is in the eyes of one person, and so would I.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Dear brother, if the Amman Declaration sufficed then we would not have the turmoil we have. The only person who has the authority to declare someone a kafir is Hadhrat Muhammad (saw). There are two conditions:

1- Rejecting the kalimah tayyibah
2- Calling someone who calls himself a Muslim a kafir.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Yes, and other scholars have called Sufis kafirs, other scholars have called As Salaf as Saalih (i.e. Wahabis) kafirs. Deobandis are kafir according to some and so are Naqshabandis. Mu'tazilahs are kafir to some and so are Shi'as. Do you want me to continue? According to "scholars," there are no Muslims. Period. So, if you follow the "scholars" blindly, then in essence you believe that there are no Muslims roaming the earth today.

Is this what the Quran is referring to? Of course not. That is why Allah says in the Quran don't take your scholars for gods. Use your own judgment.


ps
on the one hand you say you don't call me a kafir, on the other you say you don't agree with me. Hence, if I am declared a kafir by your 'scholars' and you refuse to disagree with them, then you are, in essence, calling me a kafir.

[afghan]

Momin what about the bahais? they do belive in all holy books, the writings of sheikh bahaullah are more clear than the ones of mirza saeb. are the bahais kafir?

[randolph85]

Momin what about the bahais? they do belive in all holy books, the writings of sheikh bahaullah are more clear than the ones of mirza saeb. are the bahais kafir?

when u believe in different books that contradict each other, that just makes u a retard, which is what bahais are.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Momin what about the bahais? they do belive in all holy books, the writings of sheikh bahaullah are more clear than the ones of mirza saeb. are the bahais kafir?

Bahais believe the Quran and Islam to be obsolete. Now, you answer me.