Mutazilah its pashtoon relevence by ScimitarXEdge

[ScimitarXEdge]

I'll have to give Wrayun some slack, not because I necessarily agree with Wrayun's position, I've experienced this with other forum Salafis like Qunduz who attempt to take something someone said and straw man it.

[ScimitarXEdge]

This Mutazila thing is just a facade by SX to disgiuse his extremist views. Shamlawar Khurasani and SX (and by that corralory, Mullah Umar, Ladin, etc. as well ) are two faces of the same coin.

what views do I have which are extremist, please do inform me?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Toramana can say what he wants about me; at least I'm not a slave boy for Ferangis, as he is. and I live next to them!!!

[Toramana]

Toramana can say what he wants about me; at least I'm not a slave boy for Ferangis, as he is. and I live next to them!!!

Yes, your mind, heart, and soul is all filled with desert loyalty/fire like a balloon filled with air...(may explode into thousands pieces someday)...

[graveyardofempires]

so is this what you call "civilised" debates?
you guys are so out of line with this,debating about you represent true Islam.

[Alchemist]

Yes, your mind, heart, and soul is all filled with desert loyalty/fire like a balloon filled with air...(may explode into thousands pieces someday)...

"desert fire" lol

stop flirting with him ..srsly makawai

[شمله ور خراساني]

By God, you will have to answer for you lies. You are such a liar, and you do it all in the name of being an authentic Muslim.

I agree with this atheists Baygham when he calls you a beghairata. You have no ghairat otherwise you wouldn't make lies against other Muslims.

Sta zamir nishta? Pa kabar ba jawab warkay da darogho. Lag sharam oka, zan sara ta noro Musalmanano noom de skha kral.

Don't be such a sissy-boy. If I lied, please prove it. Acting like an old woman arguing with people in the streets won't do you any good.


And same thing applies for Admin Singh who thanked you.

[شمله ور خراساني]

What Baygham did here, is exactly what other atheists do all the time when I debate with them. Atheists have a field day with people like Sangar, and it's so easy. Atheists also refer to people like Sangar again and again as "real" Muslims, "authentic" Muslims to draw attention to the character of a so-called Muslim.

In my debates with atheists, they usually turn around and ask me to go first become a "authentic" Muslim. Because only then they can have their fun. Only then their criticism of Islam, the Prophet, and Muslims can have substance.

We see that here, Sangar is being used again to mock Muslims on this platform who have refuted atheists and secularists claims.

Why does Islam need enemies when it has "authentic" Muslims like Sangar?

I'll have to give Wrayun some slack, not because I necessarily agree with Wrayun's position, I've experienced this with other forum Salafis like Qunduz who attempt to take something someone said and straw man it.

Both of you are in reality not the representatives authentic Islam.

Because both of you conform to the Kaafirs and their norms and standards. This is why every kafir, murtad, zindiq and apostate can see the clear distinction.


I am not the one who is being used. It is you two conformists who are insecure and unable to enter Islam fully. Becauseyou feel inferior to the standards and philosophy of the kufaar and you succumb to the demands of the kufaar. You feel you need to adjust Islam to conform to certain requirements in order to make it digestible for a kaafir brain.

You work the other way around. It is the kaafirs brain that needs to adjust itself to Islam.

I pity both of you. Because you feel you have to distantiate yourself from me in order to gain credibility with the kufaar.

THe kafirs of this forum must be having a laugh.

[Wrayun]

Don't be such a sissy-boy. If I lied, please prove it. Acting like an old woman arguing with people in the streets won't do you any good.


And same thing applies for Admin Singh who thanked you.

Prove this:

But my comment was intended for Wrayun's disrespectful way of talking about Rasul allah sal allahu alayhi wasalam.

[Wrayun]

Both of you are in reality not the representatives authentic Islam.

Because both of you conform to the Kaafirs and their norms and standards. This is why every kafir, murtad, zindiq and apostate can see the clear distinction.


I am not the one who is being used. It is you two conformists who are insecure and unable to enter Islam fully. Becauseyou feel inferior to the standards and philosophy of the kufaar and you succumb to the demands of the kufaar. You feel you need to adjust Islam to conform to certain requirements in order to make it digestible for a kaafir brain.

You work the other way around. It is the kaafirs brain that needs to adjust itself to Islam.

I pity both of you. Because you feel you have to distantiate yourself from me in order to gain credibility with the kufaar.

THe kafirs of this forum must be having a laugh.

You have backtracked on your statements when caught with your pants down by none other then an atheist like Baygham. What more can be shameful than that? You now deny what you stated and what you meant like a coward.

We can officially label you as the Poster Child for Zealots Stupidity.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Don't be such a sissy-boy. If I lied, please prove it. Acting like an old woman arguing with people in the streets won't do you any good.


And same thing applies for Admin Singh who thanked you.

Wrorre, Admin Khan is a great guy... he has remained generally impartial in all discussions which is hard to do. It requires a heck of a lot of self restraint. I cannot even manage it after trying to force myself off the politics thread.

[Admin Khan]

Assalam-Alaikum.

And same thing applies for Admin Singh who thanked you.

Sangar, you are associating the term "Singh" with me? A Muslim? Hmm, It appears like Wrayuns theory does indeed hold some weight. Nonetheless, let me educate you. The term Singh means lion, however, It's a last name mandatory for all baptized male Sikhs since 1699, regardless of their geographical or cultural binding. So in other words, you are clearly implying that I am a Sikh. Isn't that against the very Islam you preach, Sangar? Anyone who has taken a few Philosophy or Logic courses sees the flawed reasoning in nearly all your posts. You resort to insults, attacks, the minute someone makes you think. In fact, I am not quite sure what your intention is since you have attempted to invalidate my faith, by calling me a Sikh.

Don't be such a sissy-boy. If I lied, please prove it. Acting like an old woman arguing with people in the streets won't do you any good.

This isn't rocket science. Let's see.

You said,

Wrayun's disrespectful way of talking about Rasul allah sal allahu alayhi wasalam

Now I challenge you to show me 1 post in which Wrayun disrespects our prophet. Show me his "disrespectful" way of talking.

Seriously, how do you live with yourself? Just because I "thanked" his post(for whatever reason) you decide to attack me?

THe kafirs of this forum must be having a laugh.

Of course they are. You are the reason for their laughter. They see you invalidating other members faith, and I am sure they read your posts where you attack people. In fact, you are giving them a reason to stay away from Islam, I am trying to be honest with that statement. I am sure Allah has not given you the right to call a Muslim, a Singh. Since today, you are calling me "Singh" who knows what you might call them tomorrow.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Both of you are in reality not the representatives authentic Islam.

Because both of you conform to the Kaafirs and their norms and standards. This is why every kafir, murtad, zindiq and apostate can see the clear distinction.


I am not the one who is being used. It is you two conformists who are insecure and unable to enter Islam fully. Becauseyou feel inferior to the standards and philosophy of the kufaar and you succumb to the demands of the kufaar. You feel you need to adjust Islam to conform to certain requirements in order to make it digestible for a kaafir brain.

You work the other way around. It is the kaafirs brain that needs to adjust itself to Islam.

I pity both of you. Because you feel you have to distantiate yourself from me in order to gain credibility with the kufaar.

THe kafirs of this forum must be having a laugh.

I don't get it? All I advocate is Muslims to use their minds and logic dealing with issues of understanding the different aspects of Islaam, and this somehow equates to appeasing others?

are you claiming that logic and using our brain is some murtad/kufar agenda? That the human brain is the invention of the infidel?

We're not arguing based on "their" standards, because just because a kafir says something doesn't make it truth, what makes something truth is how strongly it stands against scrutiny, evidence and support from rational foundations.

Please stop and think about how absurd and irrational your position is here; that's the only thing we're against, it's not being opposed to Salafists because some kufar reject it ....heck the kufar have done more damage to the planet Earth for some irrational dream of creating some supreme species with total dominion on everything, I'm more against that than I am against Salafist thinking, But my issue with Salafism is that it's in conflict with the fundamentals of Truth that can be known logically. There's no biases or quest for appeasement being driven here, simply wanting things to be addressed in a balanced and holistic way which is sensible.

Sangar logic is a good thing, and you knew this at one time, don't know what happened. Don't jump from one abberation to another.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Yes, your mind, heart, and soul is all filled with desert loyalty/fire like a balloon filled with air...(may explode into thousands pieces someday)...

is that what your Imperialist masters told you? don't believe all their scare tactics, set yourself free of their mind control, you don't have to be a slave all your life.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Actually its pretty fascinating... I think that this thread proves my point more than Baygham Saibs because my advocacy behind noninterventionalism is that a society will, even if its bloody for a time, correct itself to a moderate point. So without a unifier force like some Amrikaan or Enleesi in here trying to smash Sangar, which would have thrown us all into 1 unified front to defend our own, what has happened is that this little micro cosm of a society is attempting to achieve a moderate balance all on its own.