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[khushal]

Could you quote me so I don't have to guess what you're replying to?

you said you could mention instance where gov rebelled against US. Dont you know what you write.

Drone strikes were carried out with covert establishment support. Don't be dishonest and imply that they were done against the will of the government. And like I said before, plenty of instances where both Afghanistan and Pakistan went against the wishes of the US. The continued existence of the Haqqanis over the last 2 decades is proof of that.

So when foreigners kill your own people, you call it assistance. Thats called slave mentality. We all know you are a panjabi who wishes he was Orakzai because you are ashamed of your baighyrat ancestors which is why you have slave mentality.
Try telling an American that when Russia or China bombs citizens on US territory, it will be assistance. See Americans dont have your slave mentality. Americans have sovereign mentality.

this is why you wish you were Orakzai and are ashamed of your slave like ancestors.

Also the haqqanis are not pakis, the pakis actually admit no relations with them because they are scared from their master will give them a whipping.

[khushal]

we do

i mean
kunar , jalalabad,pekhawar,swat,kohat,Bajaur

mostly those with KHE dialect

We have the khe dialect but we say shorwo

[Orakzai]

you said you could mention instance where gov rebelled against US. Dont you know what you write.



So when foreigners kill your own people, you call it assistance. Thats called slave mentality. We all know you are a panjabi who wishes he was Orakzai because you are ashamed of your baighyrat ancestors which is why you have slave mentality.
Try telling an American that when Russia or China bombs citizens on US territory, it will be assistance. See Americans dont have your slave mentality. Americans have sovereign mentality.

this is why you wish you were Orakzai and are ashamed of your slave like ancestors.

Also the haqqanis are not pakis, the pakis actually admit no relations with them because they are scared from their master will give them a whipping.

For all your talk, you can't deny that if Pakistan was in fact a slave state, they'd roll right over when the US demanded Pakistan 'do more' and handover every single Afghan Taliban leader.

[khushal]

For all your talk, you can't deny that if Pakistan was in fact a slave state, they'd roll right over when the US demanded Pakistan 'do more' and handover every single Afghan Taliban leader.

not really. The US needs the slave gov to keep the region divided and under its influence. If the paki gov(mostly the army) falls, the US would be the big loser since it would lose influence and the region would become chaotic where groups could operate from to topple other client dictatorial regimes in the region.
Without a house slave, its harder to manage.

[Orakzai]

not really. The US needs the slave gov to keep the region divided and under its influence. If the paki gov(mostly the army) falls, the US would be the big loser since it would lose influence and the region would become chaotic where groups could operate from to topple other client dictatorial regimes in the region.
Without a house slave, its harder to manage.

Do you have any evidence of this policy which if anything, undermines US presence in Afghanistan?

[khushal]

Do you have any evidence of this policy which if anything, undermines US presence in Afghanistan?

First the Brits created pakistan, its army and its intelligence agency. Everyone knows its first generals and directors were brits.
Second, the US prevented India from destroying pakistan in 3 wars.

Lets go to the current conflict:
The US keeps giving Pakis Aid and assistance to save pakistan even though it is evident that they support both sides in the Afghanistan conflict. The US keeps killing Paki insurgents both inside pakistan and Afghanistan to save pakistan. When the Afghan gov wanted to establish a relations with the TTP against Pakistan, the US blocked them from doing it to save pakistan.
US grabs Pakistani Taliban commander from Afghan intel | FDD's Long War Journal

Creating an Afghan gov that was in conflict with the pakis is to contain pakistan but not destroy it. In the US eyes, pakistan is a necessary evil to keep the region divided and under its influence.

[Orakzai]

First the Brits created pakistan, its army and its intelligence agency. Everyone knows its first generals and directors were brits.

European countries had a hand in creating a lot of countries.

You can claim they retain some form of influence in all of these countries, but to claim that they're still actively involved in controlling the policy of each and every single country after the financial and military exhaustion they went through over the last few decades is ridiculous.

Second, the US prevented India from destroying pakistan in 3 wars.

1965 was stopped due to Soviet mediation and if I recall correctly, the Americans imposed an arms embargo on Pakistan. So wrong about the first war.

For the second war, it's kind of true the US sent a warship to threaten the Indians (didn't work though), but the Chinese also made statements indicating support for Pakistan which you conveniently ignore.

And as for 1999, the entire world was worried because two nuclear powers were at war. You're just dishonestly misrepresenting how 1999 ending by pretending that it was the sole intervention of the US which led to the end of that war.

The US keeps giving Pakis Aid and assistance to save pakistan even though it is evident that they support both sides in the Afghanistan conflict. The US keeps killing Paki insurgents both inside pakistan and Afghanistan to save pakistan. When the Afghan gov wanted to establish a relations with the TTP against Pakistan, the US blocked them from doing it to save pakistan.

The US gives military aid because if you followed the war, you'd know Pakistan does crack down on Al Qaeda militants.

When the Afghan gov wanted to establish a relations with the TTP against Pakistan, the US blocked them from doing it to save pakistan.
US grabs Pakistani Taliban commander from Afghan intel | FDD's Long War Journal

Funny. That's something a slave country would do, right? Support a militant group which was fighting the US. Every post you makes argues against your claims. Did the US even condemn or punish the NDS for harboring known militants?

Creating an Afghan gov that was in conflict with the pakis is to contain pakistan but not destroy it. In the US eyes, pakistan is a necessary evil to keep the region divided and under its influence.

Contain Pakistan from doing what? And this policy seems to have failed because almost every analyst will agree Pakistan has moved much closer to China over the last decade. Either the US has failed in this policy or Pakistan was never a slave state.

[Akbar]

We have the khe dialect but we say shorwo

yes its true
wardak would also say shorwa, im not saying all those with KHE would say it.
i think Pashto( i would say pukhto) and its dialects are pretty sophiasticated.
the dialects change by regions and sometimes one dialect fuse with another.

[khushal]

Your going off the tangent.

Stick to the point. Your country like most other countries are not sovereign. The US bombs your citizens and you call it assistance. The US demands you to give up anyone they want and you hand them over including your mothers according to this official:
Dignity on sale

Sovereignty is when the US demands Russia to hand over Snowden and the Russians give them a middle finger. Thats sovereignty.

Even the hindus have more sovereignty than you. Devyani Khobragade episode proved that when the Indians threatened to arrest the gay US ambassador and took out US embassy security barriers and demanded the US release one of their embassy staff which the US did. That's sovereignty.

You get it mr baighyrat who gets happy when his own citizens are killed by foreigners.

Also your comment about Afghanistan proves they are not sovereign when they dont have the ability to establish relations with who they want.

[Orakzai]

Your going off the tangent.


Sovereignty is when the US demands Russia to hand over Snowden and the Russians give them a middle finger. Thats sovereignty.

Even the hindus have more sovereignty than you. Devyani Khobragade episode proved that when the Indians threatened to arrest the gay US ambassador and took out security
barriers from the US embassy and demanded the US release one of their embassy staff which they did. That's sovereignty.

I've gone off tangent. Remember, it was you who mentioned the British and the Americans 'saving' Pakistan during 3 wars. Call it going off tangent if that makes you happy, but I'm not going to let you spout blatant falsehoods.

Stick to the point. Your country like most other countries are not sovereign. The US bombs your citizens and you call it assistance. The US demands you to give up anyone they want and you hand them over including your mothers according to this official:

The US demanded the handover of a number of Afghan Taliban leaders which they're still waiting for while they bleed money and lives in Afghanistan. Don't you think that's a better representation of sovereignty than agreeing to handover say, an Al Qaeda militant who Pakistan has no incentive in saving. You seem to have very little understanding of geopolitics and international relations and look at things from a very petty perspective which I think is skewing your opinion.

[khushal]

This is the reason your a panjabi and not an orakzai. An orakzai knows that you don't hand over people on a whim or for money. If the person has done wrong, then you demand proof for the wrong before handing them over to anyone and you must demand to know how the person will be punished and it must be in accordance with humanitarian laws.

It's not about incentive, it's about dignity. A true sovereign claims to represent justice and fight for justice, not selling people for money as you prefer. thats what the house slaves did, hand over the rebel slaves.

You get it house slave mental midget, I mean panjabi?

[Orakzai]

This is the reason your a panjabi and not an orakzai. An orakzai knows that you don't hand over people on a whim or for money. If the person has done wrong, then you demand proof for the wrong before handing them over to anyone and you must demand to know how the person will be punished and it must be in accordance with humanitarian laws.

It's not about incentive, it's about dignity. A true sovereign claims to represent justice and fight for justice, not selling people for money as you prefer. thats what the house slaves did, hand over the rebel slaves.

You get it house slave mental midget, I mean panjabi?

Simply put, you don't understand politics or diplomacy and you're confusing that with slavery. That's all it boils down to, really.

[Firdousi]

First the Brits created pakistan, its army and its intelligence agency. Everyone knows its first generals and directors were brits.
Second, the US prevented India from destroying pakistan in 3 wars.

Lets go to the current conflict:
The US keeps giving Pakis Aid and assistance to save pakistan even though it is evident that they support both sides in the Afghanistan conflict. The US keeps killing Paki insurgents both inside pakistan and Afghanistan to save pakistan. When the Afghan gov wanted to establish a relations with the TTP against Pakistan, the US blocked them from doing it to save pakistan.
US grabs Pakistani Taliban commander from Afghan intel | FDD's Long War Journal

Creating an Afghan gov that was in conflict with the pakis is to contain pakistan but not destroy it. In the US eyes, pakistan is a necessary evil to keep the region divided and under its influence.

Even the logo of ISI was made by Brits. Everything in Pakistan is either Brit or Moghul. Nothing genuinely native.

Same thing goes for Afghanistan but to a lesser degree because although our nation-state is Brit-made, an Afghan proto-state did exist during the rule of Ahmad Shah Abdali and we were never colonized.

West is really benefiting from the mess in the Islamic World. Although this time, for the record, it has gone out of hand. West cant control the events and dynamics anymore thats why they failed almost in all their interventions: Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Yemen, Mali, Somalia, Sudan,..

Western hegemony is coming to an end. Even naive Westerners are starting to realize this thats why buffons like Trump are getting elected: "make AMerica great again" means that America is not great anymore. And if the USA is in decline so is the rest of the West (Europe is nothing without the USA). Bumpy times.

[khushal]

Simply put, you don't understand politics or diplomacy and you're confusing that with slavery. That's all it boils down to, really.

I get it. Your talking about Realpolitik where immoral behavior is justified. You play like Shytan to get what you want. That's what the manifiks do. That's basically what house slaves do. They play Realpolitik.

You just proved my point.

[Orakzai]

I get it. Your talking about Realpolitik where immoral behavior is justified. You play like Shytan to get what you want. That's what the manifiks do. That's basically what house slaves do. They play Realpolitik.

You just proved my point.

Not really. You haven't been able to prove that Pakistan or Afghanistan are house slaves and have often went against American interests and goals.

If you understood realpolitik, you'd know there wouldn't be any house slaves because each country has their own different set of interests to pursue.