Durrand line

[Azmal]

And you're playing right into that, hence why this tension has made Pakistan more alert of "Nationalist" Pashtun sentiments. If we were stealthy and went the cultural and social influence route. They'd have basically nothing right now.

Now there are full generations of Pashtuns who have been indoctrinated and willing to die for Pakistan.

I agree that Afghanistan must have different approach but that is because Kabul was never serious about Pashtunistan demand. In 1947 just few months after Pakistan creation Afghanistan recognized Pakistan—what does recognizing a state means? It means recognizing her border and… but then Ali Ponjah’s speech to FATA Malik’s made Kabul realize that Pakistan is not a new Islamic country but successor of British Raj that tend to continue the forward policy of British Raj regarding Afghanistan and Pashtun. This is why in 1949 Kabul organize a Loya Jirga and nullified Durand treaty and started promoting Pashtun nationalism. On other hand Pakistan lacking any national coherence, is using political Islam has the only means in keeping their synthetic nation glued together. Mind you it has nothing to do with Islam as I’m sure you will agree how disable and unislamic these Dewbandi and Tablighi Jamyat(HQ in Lahore a few miles from oldest brothel in region yet most active in Pashtun land.) The good news is Pashtun nationalism is not dead, it has been weaken thanks to SOB PDPA but it is still alive and kicking.

[Azmal]

I am not stupid. Never said otherwise. We should use Durrand Line as a bargaining chip. But thats it. Loy Afghanistan should never come true.

Point regarding nation-states. Thats why they are a failure I guess. At least in the Islamic world.

Loy Afghanistan was and always true...for simply fact that my 90+ grandma cries each time some Pashtun gets killed in Pashtunistan, or when a Pashtun form Pashtunistan identity themselves as Afghan here in west...or when Pashtuns from both side are fighting in ranks and file of terrorist like Taliban. Mind you Loya Afghanistan does not mean cultural or actual genocide of non-pashtuns, Afghanistan from it's inception has been and will remain a multi-cultural state and same time we cannot deny the Pashtun identity of Afghanistan. We Pashtuns and Tajiks been living in same land for thousands of years, we share same religion, race and culture and have intermarried. Even Atta Noor mother is a BabakarKhil from Logar. I honestly don’t know why you wish to keep us landlocked and forever at mercy of our Pakistani or Iranian enemies for trade? In addition the purpose of Durand line and the foreword policy of British Raj (collective punishment, political agents and..) are meant to keep Kabul dependent… do you know thanks to Durand all Pakistani enemy needs to do to hurt us is to shut down border? I honestly don’t know what kind of Afghan with single drop of Afghan blood will accept the filth of Durand.

[Azmal]

LOL

How can you be a Pashtun Nationalist and not know what nanawatai means ...it doesn't mean begging for forgiveness. It means requesting refuge if someone is running away, like if a woman runs away from a bad marriage she is given nanawatai by the mashar of a tribe or village or home. It has nothing to do with forgiving someone or begging forgiveness

Way to expose yourself. This is exactly why people say Nationalists are far removed from the "Nation" they claim to represent.

zoboomafoo,
First...I'm not a Pashtun nationalist... and never claim to be...im Afghan nationalist I have said it before and i will repeat i value a patriotic Hindu Afghan more then a sold out son of Ali Zena Pathan!
Second... forum is Pashtuns virtual home and Firdousi is a non-pashtun and he ask me to be nice to him(protection)....thus jokely i call it nanawati.. seriously you should not talk about stuff you have no idea about...considering you have never been to Afghanistan, and by your own admitting you are half breed.



My father married a pure Yamani
My mother's people were ashamed of me
The Arab said I was Afghan by law
The Afghan Man always called me "Arab Squaw” lol
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, he's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born
We never settled, went from town to town
When you're not welcome you don't hang around
The other children always laughed at me
"Give her a feather, he's an Arab"
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, he's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born
We weren't accepted and I felt ashamed
Nineteen I left them, tell me who's to blame
My life since then has been from man to man lol
But I can't run away from what I am
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, he's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, he's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born

[Firdousi]

Loy Afghanistan was and always true...for simply fact that my 90+ grandma cries each time some Pashtun gets killed in Pashtunistan, or when a Pashtun form Pashtunistan identity themselves as Afghan here in west...or when Pashtuns from both side are fighting in ranks and file of terrorist like Taliban. Mind you Loya Afghanistan does not mean cultural or actual genocide of non-pashtuns, Afghanistan from it's inception has been and will remain a multi-cultural state and same time we cannot deny the Pashtun identity of Afghanistan. We Pashtuns and Tajiks been living in same land for thousands of years, we share same religion, race and culture and have intermarried. Even Atta Noor mother is a BabakarKhil from Logar. I honestly don’t know why you wish to keep us landlocked and forever at mercy of our Pakistani or Iranian enemies for trade? In addition the purpose of Durand line and the foreword policy of British Raj (collective punishment, political agents and..) are meant to keep Kabul dependent… do you know thanks to Durand all Pakistani enemy needs to do to hurt us is to shut down border? I honestly don’t know what kind of Afghan with single drop of Afghan blood will accept the filth of Durand.

Dude,stop the Tajik warlord mumbo jumbo. You are always like "Saleh agrees on this" or "Atta is half Pashtun". i don't care about them. I have my own opinions. Just because a Tajik warlord likes loy awghansitna it doesn't mean I have to love it too.

With all due respect, I don't want to bring you down nor I want you to feel insulted, but I don't really care about what your grandmothers feels. I respect her and her feelings but thats it. You know my grandmothers cries every time she reads Hafez´s poems, or how Rostam killed his son Sohrab. It doesn't really matter what my grandmother thinks, you know?

You guys need to wake up. Afghanistan and Pakistan are both failed nation-states. They will never wok in the Islamic world. Our countries will always remain failed states for a nation-state and democracy to work properly it needs a homogeny population.

You don't want to be landlocked? Makes sense. By why you want to get access to warm waters by force? Why can't you do it by brotherhood and cooperation? Mr Abraham Lincoln said once "Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?". Try to befriend your neighbors. Your mentality has brought us nothing but disgrace and misery. Stop now.

[Azmal]

The point about grandma proves the connection we feel as a nation--even those the impose Durand line try to divide us for we are one nation under god. Kabul has never been serious about Durand...will write more about that later.

[Elias]

The point about grandma proves the connection we feel as a nation--even those the impose Durand line try to divide us for we are one nation under god. Kabul has never been serious about Durand...will write more about that later.

I cry when my grandmother slices onions. Can you make an inference to my observation? :P

[khushal]

You did said Afghanistan should accept Durrand and now you denied it...I can go search for your post but honestly have no time.
Your stand is exactly that of Pakis, you even mention Hindus in order to discredit Afghanistan righteous demand. Seriously if you looking for Hindu then check your Baba Ali Ponjah.

I will write a detail reply soon... for now above should be enough.

The demand of the Pakis ie British Raj is to cut off India from Central Asia which is what hegemonic powers do to weaken potential rivals and/or exert their influence on a region which is why the West will never abandon Pakistan even when they(paki) are clearly supporting groups that are killing US soldiers. Pakistan's purpose to keep the region divided is greater than thousands of US soldiers lives. The US created Afghan Gov purpose is to just contain Pakistan but not destroy it so youre just a tool. Your dreams of the West choosing Afghanistan over Pakistan are just dreams and they will stay dreams.

The question is do you want to sacrifice Pashtuns so Hindus can gain access to Central Asia or do you want to save Pashtuns by creating strong trade relationships with people on both sides of the border. Daud realized this before "your types" killed him.

[Azmal]

The demand of the Pakis ie British Raj is to cut off India from Central Asia which is what hegemonic powers do to weaken potential rivals and/or exert their influence on a region which is why the West will never abandon Pakistan even when they(paki) are clearly supporting groups that are killing US soldiers. Pakistan's purpose to keep the region divided is greater than thousands of US soldiers lives. The US created Afghan Gov purpose is to just contain Pakistan but not destroy it so youre just a tool. Your dreams of the West choosing Afghanistan over Pakistan are just dreams and they will stay dreams.

The question is do you want to sacrifice Pashtuns so Hindus can gain access to Central Asia or do you want to save Pashtuns by creating strong trade relationships with people on both sides of the border. Daud realized this before "your types" killed him.

There you go...you can't even hide your pakiness..always looking at things from Hindu centeric.
You are contradicting yourself... if purpose was to divide why the west want to contain it? If the creation was Pakistan was meant to cut Hindustan from Central Asian then why in the world US and west are promoting the integration of Central Asia and Hindustan economically? What you think the new Afghan-Pakistan trade under security Clinton was about?

[salman47]

zoboomafoo,
First...I'm not a Pashtun nationalist... and never claim to be...im Afghan nationalist I have said it before and i will repeat i value a patriotic Hindu Afghan more then a sold out son of Ali Zena Pathan!
Second... forum is Pashtuns virtual home and Firdousi is a non-pashtun and he ask me to be nice to him(protection)....thus jokely i call it nanawati.. seriously you should not talk about stuff you have no idea about...considering you have never been to Afghanistan, and by your own admitting you are half breed.



My father married a pure Yamani
My mother's people were ashamed of me
The Arab said I was Afghan by law
The Afghan Man always called me "Arab Squaw” lol
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, he's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born
We never settled, went from town to town
When you're not welcome you don't hang around
The other children always laughed at me
"Give her a feather, he's an Arab"
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, he's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born
We weren't accepted and I felt ashamed
Nineteen I left them, tell me who's to blame
My life since then has been from man to man lol
But I can't run away from what I am
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, he's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, he's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born

Did you really spend your precious time to actually write that poem? So uzgarkhel mann...
Btw how much time did it take you to write it?

[salman47]

I cry when my grandmother slices onions. Can you make an inference to my observation? :P

You have a special relationship with the onions she cuts!! :P

[Elias]

You have a special relationship with the onions she cuts!! :P

I like it with shurwa

[khushal]

There you go...you can't even hide your pakiness..always looking at things from Hindu centeric.
You are contradicting yourself... if purpose was to divide why the west want to contain it? If the creation was Pakistan was meant to cut Hindustan from Central Asian then why in the world US and west are promoting the integration of Central Asia and Hindustan economically? What you think the new Afghan-Pakistan trade under security Clinton was about?

No. Youre contradicting yourself. You said yourself that Pakistan is a western created entity but so is the current Afghan gov. If they are both Western created entities, then why are they in conflict with each other. Why would they topple a Pakistan friendly gov in Afghanistan and replace it with one that would be in conflict with it.

Dont tell me it was all about OBL, We all know where he was found and the CIA admits to knowing where he was for months.

Western powers dont need to promote any trade in Central and South Asia. The local people can do it themselves and they can do it according to their own wishes and interests and not the interests of foreigners. We all know the obstacle to such free trade is the Western created and funded Paki Army. What do you think the Paki Army proxy Imran Khan's protests were about against Nawaz Sharif who wanted to promote trade and why no condemnation from Western powers to aid a democratically elected gov.

Youre a complete moron. Youre a tool.

[khushal]

Did you really spend your precious time to actually write that poem? So uzgarkhel mann...
Btw how much time did it take you to write it?

He is not that bright. He is copy paste man.
Half-Breed Lyrics by Blue Swede

[salman47]

I like it with shurwa

Like Doshi? It is very tasty!!

[Elias]

Like Doshi? It is very tasty!!

Don't know what a doshi is but shurwa is like soup where you dip pieces of bread in it.