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  • #16
    Demographic Divide

    Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
    Have you ever visited Karachi? What makes you think that number is inflated?
    Karachi is in the throes of violence yet again. More than 120 people have been killed and dozens others injured in the recent spate of violence that began on July 5. In addition, around 1,138 people have been killed between January and June 2011, of which 490 were target killed on political, ethnic and sectarian basis, Human Rights Commission of Pakistan's (HRCP) recent statistics revealed. Observers say Karachi is becoming another Mogadishu.

    Violence in Karachi is being fuelled by ethnic and sectarian tensions, political fragmentation, economic disparity, mass migration, rapidly changing demography, and bad governance
    Karachi is not only the largest metropolis of Pakistan and its commercial hub, it is also known as a 'mini-Pakistan' because of the ethnic and religious diversity of its population. The city has a history of urban ethnic and sectarian violence and there has increased since 2007. Now, conflicts in Karachi generally erupt over ethnic issues and the struggle for power and resources in the city. Relations between Mohajirs (Urdu speaking community that migrated at the time of Partition) and other ethnic communities (including Pashtuns, Sindhis and the Baloch) have remained tense.

    Some analysts have said the recent violence in Karachi is a result of clashes between gangs involved in drug trade, land grabbing, extortion and gunrunning, under cover of political parties. But there are clear signs it is being fuelled by ethnic and sectarian tensions, political fragmentation, economic disparity, mass migration that rapidly changes the demography of the city, and bad governance.

    During the last 10 years, mass influx of Pashtuns and Sindhis to Karachi owing to military operations and the recent flooding has changed the political realities in the city. Farrukh Saleem, an Islamabad-based political analyst, thinks Karachi's system of governance has long ignored mass migration and settlement patterns which resulted in a serious societal breakdown, leading to even more serious conflict.

    'Sindh has become an international orphanage where refugees from within the country and from India, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Burma come to settle,' a Sindhi nationalist leader said. 'We are turning into a minority in our own province'
    With a Pashtun population ranging from 4 to 5 million according to an estimate, Karachi is now considered the world's Pashtun capital. After 50 years of economic migration from Khyber Pakhtukhwa and FATA, there was a new wave of displaced Pashtuns moving into Karachi particularly after military operations in the north. That has changed the demographic equation.

    Pashtuns are about 25% of Karachi's population and around 15% of the entire population of Sindh. Karachi's Mohajir population stands somewhere between 7 and 9 million - about 45% of the total population of the city, and about 23% of the population of Sindh.

    Of the 168 seats in Sindh Assembly, Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), representing the Mohajir population, has 50. The Awami National Party (ANP), representing the Pashtun population, has only two seats. "Based on demographics, the Pasthuns of Karachi could have up to 25 seats in the provincial assembly, but they have only two," Saleem wrote in The News.

    According to Ismail Mehsud, an ANP leader in Karachi, Pashtuns are politically underrepresented and have been deliberately kept backwards by the district government run by the MQM. They had now started fighting for their rights, he said.

    Sindhi nationalist parties have their own fears. They have expressed concerns that large-scale migration of IDPs would alter the already disturbed ethnic balance of the city.

    "Sindh has become an international orphanage where refugees not only from within the country but also from the neighbouring countries including India, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Burma are coming to settle. Because of that, Sindhis are on the verge of turning into a minority in their own province," said a leader of Jeay Sindh Mahaz.

    In 1947 Sindhis were 60% of Karachi's population, but today they are no more than seven percent, he said.

    The Baloch, who are among the indigenous population of Karachi, express similar fears. Lyari, one of the 18 towns of Karachi, is a Baloch majority area. It is considered one of the most neglected in terms of state-funded development in education, health, sanitation and employment, residents complain.

    "From the beginning, the establishment's policy is to keep the Baloch of Lyari hooked on drugs and other criminal activities because the residents of the area are staunch supporters of the Pakistan People's Party (PPP)," said Habib Jan Baloch, a PPP leader from Lyari. The radicalisation of these ethnic grievances is the cause of violence in the city, he said.

    In a proxy war over control of Lyari, the PPP and the MQM are said to support armed gangs of criminals - the People's Aman Committee (PAC) and the Arshad Pappu Group. This has often caused Baloch-Mohajir ethnic clashes, according to police officials in Lyari.

    The MQM accuses the government of supporting criminals who target its supporters. "We are not afraid of any demographic changes happening due to the mass influx of IDPs in Karachi. Our party is now also becoming popular among Pashtun and Baloch people," said an MQM legislator.

    The PPP government's recent move to revive the old commissionerate system has also angered the MQM as it will lose control not only of Karachi but also Hyderabad and Mirpurkhas. "The local bodies system was introduced during Pervez Musharaf's dictatorship at the MQM's behest, to weaken the PPP," Habib Jan Baloch said. "There was immense pressure on the PPP leadership by the people of Sindh to abolish the system."

    The move has also resulted in renewed calls for making Karachi a province of Mohajirs. "The PPP's one-sided move has created ethnic divisions in the city," MQM leader Waseem Aftab told reporters. "These measures are forcing people to call for making Karachi a Mohajir province where they could get their rights."

    Analysts say the ghettoisation of Karachi along ethnic lines is the main reason behind the increase in violence in the city. It will be impossible to bring peace in the city without strengthening the administrative capacity of the government to deal with the change in the demographics and addressing the fears it gives rise to.

    Zia Ur Rehman is a journalist and a researcher based in Karachi

    Report: Demographic divide by Zia Ur Rehman

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    • #17
      Check this out

      Report: Demographic divide by Zia Ur Rehman

      Yet again proves the point that the number of pastuns in FATA, Sindh and Punjab are grossly understated.
      Last edited by Ironhide; 09-14-2017, 07:33 AM. Reason: comment added

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      • #18
        Karachi population 2017

        here is another one

        The second largest ethnic group are the Pashtuns, originally from Afghanistan and Balochistan, who have been in the city for decades. Karachi has the largest concentration of urban Pakhtun in the world, including 50,000 registered Afghan refugees, making up 25% of the city's population.

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        • #19
          By the way many Punjabis and other non-Pashtuns think that Pashtuns have recently migrated to Baluchistan province, like their migration to Karachi. Even many Pashtuns from upper districts think that every thing from Balcuhsitan has to have some thing to do with Baluch. The name Baluchistan has damaged the identity and prestige of Pashtuns of that region more than any thing else.

          It was due to Baluch insurgency after Bugti death, that Pakistani establishment began to emphasize that half of the population of Baluchistan is Pashtun. This way many people from different corners of Pakistan came to know that Pashtuns also exist in that province.

          This confusion dates back to British times when the region (excluding Kalat state) was known as British Baluchistan and was clearly a Pashtun majority unit. Some Pashtun worker from Quetta with Durrani surname wrote a letter to Jinnah and Jinnah called him "My Baluch brother".......... "He gave the following message (written in his own handwriting ) to a prominent worker of Pakistan movement namely Abdul Ghafoor Khan Durrani in 1943 : "My Baluch Muslim friend , Islam expects every Muslim to do his duty for his people".(Reference: "Tribal Baluchistan" by Syed Abdul Qadus )

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          • #20
            After KP and FATA are merged. The KPK government should negotiate with the Baluchistan government to annex the Pashtun districts of Baluchistan. That way the Baluch can have a Baluchi Balochistan and we can have a united Pakhtunkhwa.
            Last edited by Traveller; 09-14-2017, 04:07 PM.
            Originally posted by Kaushika

            majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Post
              Pakistan was created by a Westernized Ismaili Indian with little input from its Pashtun population, who were fooled and lied to by Jinnah when he claimed that they'd preserve their autonomy. Pakistan continues to mistreat large portions of its Pashtun population, and sees them as outsiders rather than citizens.

              But what would you expect from a guy who thinks his Pakistani-ism is more important than his Islam? Who knows if you're actually a Pashtun or not, it's not that important when you're a brainwashed nationalist in any case.
              Lala ignore these people. Often times they are insecure about their pakistaniyat so they have to insult Afghanistan to prove how "Pakistani" they are.
              Originally posted by Kaushika

              majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Traveller View Post
                Lala ignore these people. Often times they are insecure about their pakistaniyat so they have to insult Afghanistan to prove how "Pakistani" they are.
                lol I'm not sure I'm old enough to be called lala.

                But I know what these guys are up to. They're all over Youtube trashing Afghan Pashtuns on any video in Pashto (and of course the morons on the other side are doing the same).

                I hope my post didn't come across as demeaning to Pakistanis. That wasn't my intention. My problem isn't with Pakistanis (of any ethnicity), but rather the Pakistani government, and its brainwashed slaves that go everywhere yelling about how it's the greatest nation ever (the Afghan government too, but that's a story for a different day).

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Post
                  lol I'm not sure I'm old enough to be called lala.

                  But I know what these guys are up to. They're all over Youtube trashing Afghan Pashtuns on any video in Pashto (and of course the morons on the other side are doing the same).

                  I hope my post didn't come across as demeaning to Pakistanis. That wasn't my intention. My problem isn't with Pakistanis (of any ethnicity), but rather the Pakistani government, and its brainwashed slaves that go everywhere yelling about how it's the greatest nation ever (the Afghan government too, but that's a story for a different day).
                  The reason I called you lala isn't because you're old, it's because I'm very young(I'm only a teenager).
                  And yes I hate that the comment section of every Pashto video on YouTube is filled with Afghan Pashtun-Pakistani Pashtun mudslinging(A kind of funny side of that is that I learned much of my Pashto profanity from those comment sections.)

                  I agree. Nationalists from anywhere are retards.
                  Last edited by Traveller; 09-14-2017, 10:02 PM.
                  Originally posted by Kaushika

                  majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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                  • #24
                    Wow I didn't realize you were that young. You certainly behave much more maturely than the average person of your age in the US mashallah. My Pashto was way worse than yours when I was a teen. Heck, I only learned how to read it a few months ago.

                    So you learned the curses from YouTube? I thought those are the first things you learn lol.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Post
                      I hope my post didn't come across as demeaning to Pakistanis. That wasn't my intention. .
                      Then simply dont attack Pakistan and its Baba-i-qaum next time if you do not want to come across as demeaning to Pakistanis.

                      If you have problem with Pakistani government then you also have problem with Pakistani people who have elected it.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Samandri View Post
                        Then simply dont attack Pakistan and its Baba-i-qaum next time if you do not want to come across as demeaning to Pakistanis.

                        If you have problem with Pakistani government then you also have problem with Pakistani people who have elected it.
                        lol no it doesn't. I have a problem with the American government, and a problem with the Afghan government, while I'm a US and Afghan citizen. Does that mean I have a problem with myself? Governments and people are separate entities. Even in a proper democracy, there's a huge disconnect between the common people and the actions of the government. That disconnect is even larger in the dictatorships and fake democracies that Muslims live under. People have little to do with the actions of the governments that represent them. In most cases all they can really do to effect change is rebel, and you can't expect everyone to rebel because their government sucks.

                        I have a problem with the Pakistani government. It's full of irredeemable, murderous **** who should be jailed for life. Do I have a problem with Pakistanis? No. Not unless they're the foolish nationalist types that enable the awful actions of their government by downplaying or even defending them. But the people who oppose their government on those issues, or in general? Or even the regular people who just try to live their lives without harm and without harming others? Why would I have a problem with them? The only difference between them and I is the places we were born and the identities of our parents, and none of us had any say in that.

                        Frankly, I'm surprised you are the nationalist type to get offended at what I said. Especially when nothing I said was wrong.

                        EDIT: censored word was "s c u m." No idea why that word gets censored.
                        Last edited by maneatinglizard; 09-15-2017, 04:36 AM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Post
                          lol no it doesn't. I have a problem with the American government, and a problem with the Afghan government, while I'm a US and Afghan citizen. Does that mean I have a problem with myself? Governments and people are separate entities. Even in a proper democracy, there's a huge disconnect between the common people and the actions of the government. That disconnect is even larger in the dictatorships and fake democracies that Muslims live under. People have little to do with the actions of the governments that represent them. In most cases all they can really do to effect change is rebel, and you can't expect everyone to rebel because their government sucks.

                          I have a problem with the Pakistani government. It's full of irredeemable, murderous **** who should be jailed for life. Do I have a problem with Pakistanis? No. Not unless they're the foolish nationalist types that enable the awful actions of their government by downplaying or even defending them. But the people who oppose their government on those issues, or in general? Or even the regular people who just try to live their lives without harm and without harming others? Why would I have a problem with them? The only difference between them and I is the places we were born and the identities of our parents, and none of us had any say in that.

                          Frankly, I'm surprised you are the nationalist type to get offended at what I said. Especially when nothing I said was wrong.

                          EDIT: censored word was "s c u m." No idea why that word gets censored.
                          I get it, you are a typical American. Be a good American and apologize to entire Pakistani nation for insulting Muhammad Ali Jinnah, their baba-i-qaum.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Samandri View Post
                            I get it, you are a typical American. Be a good American and apologize to entire Pakistani nation for insulting Muhammad Ali Jinnah, their baba-i-qaum.
                            Whatever you say dude. I guess I'll have to categorize you along with the rest of the weirdos.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Post
                              So you learned the curses from YouTube? I thought those are the first things you learn lol.
                              That was a bit of an exaggeration. I just learned how to use a few. The reason I didn't learn before is that people in my family are extremely clean-mouthed. The worst I have ever heard is khar bachay.
                              Originally posted by Kaushika

                              majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Post
                                Wow I didn't realize you were that young. You certainly behave much more maturely than the average person of your age in the US mashallah. My Pashto was way worse than yours when I was a teen. Heck, I only learned how to read it a few months ago.
                                A lot of people on the internet get surprised when they find out I'm a teenager.
                                As for my Pashto there are several reasons it got to the place where it is now:
                                1) I've visited Pakistan almost every year of my life which ensured that English didn't take over my Pashto too much.
                                2) I am a student of Arabic and studying Arabic grammar helped me understand how Pashto was supposed to work.
                                3) Starting about a year ago I began to slowly learn how to read and write Pashto. A few months ago I mastered it with the help of a book my uncle(who has a B.A. in Pashto) gave me called پښتوښود. It was written by a Wardak guy but I can't recall his full name. Learning to read and write really helped polish my language.
                                4) Every time I come across a word I don't know in writing or speech I search it up on the Pashto.com(Allah bless Moxet Khan for making that website). This has helped me purify my Pashto a ton.
                                Last edited by Traveller; 09-15-2017, 03:52 PM.
                                Originally posted by Kaushika

                                majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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