Border clash

[Firdousi]

That was because of wrong decisions by political and mil leadership , not because of any 'lacking' on part of the soldiers actually fighting on the ground.

You lost in 1947, you lost in 1965, you lost in 1971, you lost in 1999,.. you are a loser nation. Get over it.

[Samandri]

300 Pakistani soldiers surrendered to Taliban in early years, and many more were surrendering on different occasions until Taliban discouraged them by beheading the captives and making the videos of it. Their 'Jazba' was at lowest and every soldier was praying that he is not posted in Waziristan. I know armies around the world operate in certain ways and bravery is not measured in traditional manner but there are very few nations around the world which are beghairat and coward enough to use their air force and heavy artillery, Tanks, on areas of their own country just to deal with lightly armed insurgents. We are talking about the army which used white phosphorus on petty trouble makers of Lal Masjid in the capital.

[ZarakDurrani606]

Thats wishful thinking, "pal". I have never been to Pakistan but I have met plenty of Paki Pashtuns in the GCC and I know very well how hostile and brainwashed Pathans are toward my country.

Modern Brits can't even rule themselves let alone Muslims.

And that's wishful thinking on your part. Again, don't associate your views with the general "tajikam" thinking. No one's after "your" country. Pathans and Pashtuns are different entities, nowadays.

[Charsi Malang]

You know what I find hilarious? That a loser country like Pakistan that since its inception has lost all his wars is trying to lecture us, Afghans, those who defeated several empires and created many more about war.

Pakis need to understand that war is not about airplanes or rockets. Its about strong human beings and strong wills. Who knows? May be within 100 they will name their rockets after Ashraf Ghani and Hamid Karzai if you know what I mean lmao

Hahahahaha oh dear! LOL

[Firdousi]

And that's wishful thinking on your part. Again, don't associate your views with the general "tajikam" thinking. No one's after "your" country. Pathans and Pashtuns are different entities, nowadays.

Thats my point. Pashtuns and Pathans are different entities just like Afghan-Tajiks, Iranian Persians and Tajikistanis. Most of Afghan Tajiks hate Iran. Something like that also happens in Pakistan where most of Pathans hate Afghanistan. S hit happens dude

BTW screw Tajikam and screw Tajik nationalists.

[Traveller]

I agree with you on this. But the instigators are on both sides. The arrogance and haughtiness of Pashtuns on Afghanistan side work like oil on fire as Pashtuns irrespective of the country set great value upon self-respect and esteem. The ones having avatars of Afghanistan flag, Najibullah, Daud, Amanullah etc trolls around and unnecessarily instigate Pakistani Pashtuns on social media. To give you fresh example, yesterday i posted an article on history of Orakzais on my facebook page and some Noorzai from Afghanistan posted a comment "today Orakzais are Punjabi slaves" , intending to ruin the mood of Orakzais who were enthusiastic about reading some content on their history.......... When a proud and headstrong Orakzai would read this comment , he might insult Afghanistan and its people

Aren't Nurzais persianized Pashtuns in the same way Niazis are punjabified?

[ZarakDurrani606]

Thats my point. Pashtuns and Pathans are different entities just like Afghan-Tajiks, Iranian Persians and Tajikistanis. Most of Afghan Tajiks hate Iran. Something like that also happens in Pakistan where most of Pathans hate Afghanistan. S hit happens dude

BTW screw Tajikam and screw Tajik nationalists.

Okay but i was referring to a certain number of brainwashed pashtuns in pakistan. They are tools, just inexticably linked to propaganda and its denouement. Most Pashtuns are the same on either sides of the line. Just to be clear. The lines become blurred only when the machinations of modern nation-states are introduced into the fold. I'm sure that you must feel a cultural connection with other persians in different counties, even though you wish to dissociate from them. However, an Alikhel in Afghanistan is completely identical to his namesake brother across the line..... be it traditionally, customs, blood heck everything. The point is to bridge the gap, not widen it by labelling the Pashtuns on either sides of the border as if they belonged to different categories. Pathan does'nt represent us just as surely as the tehrani white-wannabe repulses you.

[Samandri]

Aren't Nurzais persianized Pashtuns in the same way Niazis are punjabified?

Most of them are concentrated in Kandahar and Helmand provinces who are not Persianized. I think there are some Nurzais in Farah who must be Persianized

[Traveller]

Most of them are concentrated in Kandahar and Helmand provinces who are not Persianized. I think there are some Nurzais in Farah who must be Persianized

I must have been thinking of another tribe then.

[Dost]

All of you ****ty Afghans and nationalist Pakistanis care about is point scoring. The retarded Afghan ****s on this forum only care about making themselves look like Rambo, while Pakistani jaazbatis want to prove their case. We watch the border disputes and pick sides.

What does it matter to any of us?

It's the people on those borders that die. We use those villagers the same way the Romans used gladiators. Is there no ****ing humanity left?

What did this stupid border skirmish achieve? Nothing.

It only achieved people dying to satisfy egos on both borders, while the common man suffered. This is so ****ing stupid.

I am disgusted.

[Baserka]

That was because of wrong decisions by political and mil leadership , not because of any 'lacking' on part of the soldiers actually fighting on the ground.

Failure is failure regardless of which shape and form it comes in. You betrayed those men.

[Samandri]

All of you ****ty Afghans and nationalist Pakistanis care about is point scoring. The retarded Afghan ****s on this forum only care about making themselves look like Rambo, while Pakistani jaazbatis want to prove their case. We watch the border disputes and pick sides.

What does it matter to any of us?

It's the people on those borders that die. We use those villagers the same way the Romans used gladiators. Is there no ****ing humanity left?

What did this stupid border skirmish achieve? Nothing.

It only achieved people dying to satisfy egos on both borders, while the common man suffered. This is so ****ing stupid.

I am disgusted.

You are not disgusted on defence.pk though. Admit it the real you is Pakistani nationalist , cheering for gains of Pakistan army and losses of Afghans. For example on the same news your posting there is this ;





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[Dost]

You are not disgusted on defence.pk though. Admit it the real you is Pakistani nationalist , cheering for gains of Pakistan army and losses of Afghans. For example on the same news your posting there is this ;





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I don't understand what you want to show? Are you trying to expose me for hypocrisy? Why don't you translate what I said for everyone else here?

[Dost]

[MENTION=18842]Samandri[/MENTION] show me what you mean? Why don't you quote all of my replies from that forum?

Don't be dishonest. Your obsession with this pashtun nationalism has taken you over the edge of reality. What do you get from any of this?

I've always been a soft hearted guy and never looked for death on anyone. What about you?

It's all okay If it's a non-pashtun dying. But everyone else deserves it, according to you?

So If a handful of Punjabis die, what do you get out of it? Does it make you feel some sort of relief? I hope you can feel all the relief that you need.

Me on the other hand, I rather that no one dies. Life is a precious gift that Allah swt gives us.

[Qami]

True, its because of the efforts of the Khans of Kalat .......It was series of wars with Panni tribe of Sibi in second half of 17th century and wars with Kalhoras in early 17th century which cemented the alliance between Brahuis and Balochs. Brahui chiefs became champions and representatives of Baloch nation in 18th century. Mir Nasir Khan , their greatest leader, gave every kind of support to Marri Balochs in their wars with small Pashtun tribes (Hasnis, Lunis etc) even though it was norm that rulers of his stature in this belt would not interfere in inter-tribal wars by taking a side. The Panni-Kalat wars and Kalhora-Kalat wars seeded the concept of Baloch-Barhui oneness and it was matured by Mir Naseer Khan

Are there any good sources on these wars?