Arabic should become the single official national language in all muslim countries

[logical]

It's a myth common language can unite people. What unite people is geography and after that religion and language. Arabs are too spread out.

Arabs speak embarrassingly bad english with uncouth accent yet west cannot stop meddling in their affairs, see latest attack on Syria by Trump. English isn't official language in any of arab country. They try to learn it because 60% or more world economy is controlled by west.

Islamic share in world GDP is 9% and it will take another 100 years to reach respectable levels if it keep growing faster then west.

[KingdomofHeaven]

It's a myth common language can unite people. What unite people is geography and after that religion and language. Arabs are too spread out.

Arabs speak embarrassingly bad english with uncouth accent yet west cannot stop meddling in their affairs, see latest attack on Syria by Trump. English isn't official language in any of arab country. They try to learn it because 60% or more world economy is controlled by west.

Islamic share in world GDP is 9% and it will take another 100 years to reach respectable levels if it keep growing faster then west.

You make Not much sense...first geographical how are Arabs spread out? Most Arab countries are bordering One another from Morrocco to all the way to Iraq all connected by land, some by sea in the mediteranian/Indian Ocean....

If these Arab morons even United the entire world with Arabic as lingua franca, they would still be failures....

The reasons why Arab League sucks is somethings Else....truth is Most Arab countries Dont want anything to do with the other and we have morons coming to this Forum who want to expand Arab language even further...lol

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

There are no strong incentives for having a common language with the Arab world today. Arabic was a lingua franca in Afghanistan and Central Asia in the past but it's not anymore. The only people who want to use Arabic are puritanical Muslims whose mindsets are frozen in the 8th century.

If it's about allowing Afghans to access opportunities, you'd have a stronger case in proposing English as the lingua franca.

If it's about religious piety, not everyone in Afghanistan is religious to the same degree. People who are religious and want to understand the Qur'an better can learn classical Arabic using their own time and money - not that of the Afghan government which is itself dependent on foreign aid and barely able to meet the basic health and security needs of the population.

You need to consider that Afghanistan is a multi lingual country with people who are barely literate in their own native languages. Some languages in Afghanistan are barely surviving, like the Pamiri languages and Nuristani, and others are being diluted by influence from neighbouring languages. Also, if the south mostly speaks Pashto and the north mostly speaks Persian then Afghans will also have to learn a second language to communicate with each other. It's pretty hard learning 2 languages well without requiring children to learn Arabic as well.

Sure there is, it's a good way to unify people of Muslim background. It will greatly reduce inter-ethnic strife. combat nationalism, ethno-fascism. Reinforce cooperative bonds. Prevent Self Proclaimed Relgious carel from having Monopoly over people who can't understand Arabic. Reduce extremism Create a powerful economic block and liberate us from Western Hegemony. Arabic also has history as a technical and scientific language ( You can find numerous treatises that confirm this).

I just gave a whole bunch of reasons just off the top of my head. I'm sure are many more.

As a matter of fact you may not realize it, but you just inadvertantly gave another compelling reason. The Pashto vs. Farsiwan divide. Arabic becomes a neutral player, thus it will mitigate this rife between the two camps. But your over all argument against using Arabic as a Lingua Franca is faulty.

Nuristanis have had to learn Farsi and Pashto, neither of which are their native tongues. Burkis, originally spoke Ormuri and were eventually marginalized due to adopting Pashto. So unless you're willing to preserve and/or revive these languages as well. Your argument is insincere

Point being, learning languages more than one or even several should not be an issue. Afghans have done it for centuries. So trying to argue from this angle is just intellectually lazy.

It seems youir argument is more rooted in what's called confirmation bias, than logic.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

It's a myth common language can unite people. What unite people is geography and after that religion and language. Arabs are too spread out.

Arabs speak embarrassingly bad english with uncouth accent yet west cannot stop meddling in their affairs, see latest attack on Syria by Trump. English isn't official language in any of arab country. They try to learn it because 60% or more world economy is controlled by west.

Islamic share in world GDP is 9% and it will take another 100 years to reach respectable levels if it keep growing faster then west.

Except that's not the logic being peddled here. We're talking about Lingua Franca. Arabic spoken today by the Arab states is dialectical Arabic. Not a standard way of communicating. Although Modern Standard Arabic exists.

Urdu as Pakistan's national language was an attempt to unite South Asian Muslims. The problem was that it's too sloppy and not very strong as a technical or commefcial language.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

You make Not much sense...first geographical how are Arabs spread out? Most Arab countries are bordering One another from Morrocco to all the way to Iraq all connected by land, some by sea in the mediteranian/Indian Ocean....

If these Arab morons even United the entire world with Arabic as lingua franca, they would still be failures....

The reasons why Arab League sucks is somethings Else....truth is Most Arab countries Dont want anything to do with the other and we have morons coming to this Forum who want to expand Arab language even further...lol

You're mixing up different things with other politics that have more complex causes.

This is called false equialence.

[jhangir swati]

[QUOTE=KingdomofHeaven;807577]You are free to move your cameljockey ass to Saudi or any other Arab speaking hellhole....

shut up hindu faggot and go **** you liberal sister and then abort you baby in your wife who has been 10 times ****ed ( even by your dad) and in the end make you with your gay boyfriend ****ing filthy pig

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

No its cause we are proud of our own language....cant you pesky semites accept this?

Your cannot build a EU with a beduin language like Arab...come on, and you prick said Pashto was useless...LOL... English is already the lingua franca of the Muslim world....

Over-zealous pride is a form of insecurity; it's a form of over-compensating for feelings of inadequacy by "hyping" yourself up

Basically what I got from this is you don't want to speak Arabic cuz of Racism? That's probably the worst reason NOT to do something. It's not rational, it's emotionally driven..

If numerous scientific works like Ibn Haytham's "Kitab Al Manzair" were written in Arabic, or great Non-Arab Mathematicians like Al-Khwarzemi wrote "Al-Jabr " in Arabic. If they could do that with "Bedouin" language like Arabic ...what's stopping us from making an "EU" from it?

Think logically and not with ethnic inferiority complex or other emotional hang ups.

[KingdomofHeaven]

Sure there is, it's a good way to unify people of Muslim background. It will greatly reduce inter-ethnic strife. combat nationalism, ethno-fascism. Reinforce cooperative bonds. Prevent Self Proclaimed Relgious carel from having Monopoly over people who can't understand Arabic. Reduce extremism Create a powerful economic block and liberate us from Western Hegemony. Arabic also has history as a technical and scientific language ( You can find numerous treatises that confirm this).

I just gave a whole bunch of reasons just off the top of my head. I'm sure are many more.

As a matter of fact you may not realize it, but you just inadvertantly gave another compelling reason. The Pashto vs. Farsiwan divide. Arabic becomes a neutral player, thus it will mitigate this rife between the two camps. But your over all argument against using Arabic as a Lingua Franca is faulty.

Nuristanis have had to learn Farsi and Pashto, neither of which are their native tongues. Burkis, originally spoke Ormuri and were eventually marginalized due to adopting Pashto. So unless you're willing to preserve and/or revive these languages as well. Your argument is insincere

Point being, learning languages more than one or even several should not be an issue. Afghans have done it for centuries. So trying to argue from this angle is just intellectually lazy.

It seems youir argument is more rooted in what's called confirmation bias, than logic.

There is No Farsiwans Pashtun divide.you slimy Arab rat.The Hazaras, Uzbaks and Tajiks all speak Farsi, what do you want them to do?, force 3 groups (majority) speak Pashto because of 1 group? Its 3 vs 1.regardless I understand the frustration...The whole borders of Afghanistan have been false...this country is a failure...in reality Pashtuns should govern their own country where they can do as they please and Persian speakers should've been part of Iran / Khorasan

This whole concept of forcing 3-4 ethinc groups with different goals to co-exist in One country is ridicoulus.....

I know you slimy Semites want to rule the entire world....but fuxk you beduin subhumans.....you mother****ers are not any better than Western colonials....I hate your ****ing ugly hooked kind. In fact your race did the same things that you hate the White man is doing to you now, but None is talking about it....and I piss on your ****ing copycat judeo christian religion...you have enslave the entire world Before whites, robbed platrura of distinct races their identified and made a Big stinky piile of Arab **** of the the Middle East....your cameljockeys should've stayed in your deserts...nobodt asked your religion, language, the World was doing better before Muhammad made up that judeochristian cheap copycat religion...

Your subhuman Arab race contribution to humanity is 0,1% at best......savage Mongols also had the went out and conquered vast territories...0% contributiion to Human Kind.

All those cultures Arabs conquered and destroyed were far More Advanced/contributed More to humanity than slimy Arabs who rode on the brilliance of their subjugates....

I piss on your Pislam...you people are irrelevant without that copycat religion and you have No history Before Muhammad the pedophile copied Jewish religions...-existent before it and will be ... Hopefully the middle east World will wake Up Soon....and your slimy rats will be reduced to what you were Before Islam....burying your daughter alive in the sand...

I cant believe half the World have been fooled to Bend 5 times aday at the direction of these subhuman savages.....

Religion/Islam is bull****...its ****ing made up guys...Muhammad wrote it himself..this Guy was a fraud...he was a Traveller...he Traveller around the Middle East...he knew about judeochristian faiths and copied them and rewritted it in his own Arab language to become Rich and Powerful King of Arabs and the World...which he did..he became very Rich, Powerful and fameous...and even worshiped...you have to mention his name alongside God (l"ahela ila lalu Muhammad rasul Allah"...LOL Talk about Ego

...there was no ****ing angels or god talking...lol....people of the ancient times were gullible...they believe anything, After all people used to worshiped Stones....

[logical]

Except that's not the logic being peddled here. We're talking about Lingua Franca. Arabic spoken today by the Arab states is dialectical Arabic. Not a standard way of communicating. Although Modern Standard Arabic exists.

Urdu as Pakistan's national language was an attempt to unite South Asian Muslims. The problem was that it's too sloppy and not very strong as a technical or commefcial language.

Urdu is what unite Pakistanis and is easy to learn. For technical and higher education English is used. Arabic can't replace English for that purpose. Afghanistan need to adopt English medium for technical modern science and along with it farsi, not arabic.

[Daryeh]

Sure there is, it's a good way to unify people of Muslim background. It will greatly reduce inter-ethnic strife. combat nationalism, ethno-fascism. Reinforce cooperative bonds. Prevent Self Proclaimed Relgious carel from having Monopoly over people who can't understand Arabic. Reduce extremism Create a powerful economic block and liberate us from Western Hegemony. Arabic also has history as a technical and scientific language ( You can find numerous treatises that confirm this).

Learning Arabic won't unify Muslims. Look at the Arab world- it's not unified, nor have they created a "powerful economic block" independent of the western world. The gulf Arab countries have western allies and are some of the most westernized countries in the whole of Asia and they are part of the Arabic speaking world. In contrast, Iran doesn't have Arabic as a national language yet it's less shackled to the western world than the Arab countries. Speaking Arabic has no correlation to being independent of the western world. Language alone isn't enough to unite all the people from Morocco to Sudan, from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan.

It won't reduce inter ethnic strife. Arabic is the national language of Iraq, spoken by Arabs and non Arabs, yet Iraq is one of the most ethnically fractured countries in the world, probably even more than Afghanistan.

It won't reduce extremism- as a matter of fact, there is less Islamic extremism in the countries where they DON'T speak Arabic, like Iran, Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey, Azerbaijan and the Central Asian republics. You don't need to make your whole country learn Arabic just to understand the Qur'an when it would be easier just to distribute Farsi and Pashto translations.

Arabic might have a history of being a scientific language but it's just that - history. Today Arab countries produce little of scientific or technical value and the countries that are economically developed (UAE, Bahrain, Qatar) are completely westernized anyway so if you really wanted to learn another language you could get by just fine with English.

And I don't see why we have to fight the western hegemony by absorbing into the Arab hegemony.

You haven't given well thought out reasons. I urge you to really think about the effect it would have on the already feeble Pashtun identity if Pashtuns were to adopt Arabic as a language. Language is part of identity.

As a matter of fact you may not realize it, but you just inadvertantly gave another compelling reason. The Pashto vs. Farsiwan divide. Arabic becomes a neutral player, thus it will mitigate this rife between the two camps. But your over all argument against using Arabic as a Lingua Franca is faulty.

Nuristanis have had to learn Farsi and Pashto, neither of which are their native tongues. Burkis, originally spoke Ormuri and were eventually marginalized due to adopting Pashto. So unless you're willing to preserve and/or revive these languages as well. Your argument is insincere

Your solution to the Pashto vs Persian issue is to ignore both languages and instead elevate the status of a completely random language. It would be like if the Belgians couldn't decide whether to make the lingua franca Dutch or French so instead they make their national language Polish. I'm sure a Tajik would prefer to learn Pashto instead of Arabic since a) it's at least an Iranic language and b) Pashto is way more relevant, useful and practical in Afghanistan, and vice versa.

Nuristanis should learn their mother tongue and either Pashto or Persian because it's the 2 major historical and current languages of the country and they need it to get by. Arabic, however, is completely irrelevant. There is no need to complicate things in an already multi lingual country with competing languages by adding another language.

I'm just in shock that there are people on this forum who are legitimately debating the benefits of making Arabic the lingua franca of Afghanistan. You must be Pakistani because in Pakistan they are more open to foreign influences, which is why they have Urdu (a mix of Persian, Arabic, Hindi) and English as their national languages. In Afghanistan it would be a huge culture shock and not an easy change to implement.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

There is No Farsiwans Pashtun divide.you slimy Arab rat.The Hazaras, Uzbaks and Tajiks all speak Farsi, what do you want them to do?, force 3 groups (majority) speak Pashto because of 1 group? Its 3 vs 1.regardless I understand the frustration...The whole borders of Afghanistan have been false...this country is a failure...in reality Pashtuns should govern their own country where they can do as they please and Persian speakers should've been part of Iran...

This whole concept of forcing 3-4 ethinc groups with different goals to co-exist in One country is ridicoulus.....

I know you slimy Semites want to rule the entire world....but fuxk you beduin subhumans.....you mother****ers are not any better than Western colonials....I hate your ****ing ugly hooked kind. In fact your race did the same things that you hate the White man is doing to you now, but None is talking about it....and I piss on your ****ing copycat judeo christian religion...you have enslave the entire world Before whites, robbed platrura of distinct races their identified and made a Big stinky piile of Arab **** of the the Middle East....your cameljockeys should've stayed in your deserts...nobodt asked your religion, language, the World was doing better before Muhammad made up that judeochristian cheap copycat religion...

Your subhuman Arab race contribution to humanity is 0,1% at best......savage Mongols also had the went out and conquered vast territories...0% contributiion to Human Kind.

All those cultures Arabs conquered and destroyed were far More Advanced/contributed More to humanity than slimy Arabs who rode on the brilliance of their subjugates....

I piss on your Pislam...you people are irrelevant without that copycat religion and you have No history Before Muhammad the pedophile copied Jewish religions...-existent before it and will be ... Hopefully the middle east World will wake Up Soon....and your slimy rats will be reduced to what you were Before Islam....burying your daughter alive in the sand...

I cant believe half the World have been fooled Go follow these subhuman Savages...

See? This is what I mean, you're cherry picking a narrative that suits your agenda, your entire argument is inscinere. You want to create a narrative which isn't factual and argue based on that a priori. Let me reiterate by saying that the basis for your argument is inaccurate. Sure there "some facts" but they fail to explain in nuance or context, and you sort of fill in the gaps with your own spin.

Go pick up a book about Middle Eastern history, Wikipedia/Google Searches aren't cutting it here. (Yes I know you didn't cite anything, but I'm also well aware of your "source material" hehe)

Look up the Khwarzemis, Soghdians, and other NON-Farsi speaking groups of the region and then talk. You are clueless . Your whole idea of history is filtered through Perso-centric gobbly goop.

You're not driven by Logic; you're just bitter that your ancestors got owned by people you viewed as inferior, that miraculously Out-smarted and outclassed your ancestors, despite being a bunch of desert dwelling nomads, which you haven't gotten over Ego blow till this day. In your heart of hearts,what's really happening is that all this clout about the "Noble Aryan" race was shattered when a bunch of "Subhuman" Semites tore that myth asunder.

My advice to you sir is "Get Over Yourself". This is a discussion for grown ups who want to deal with real issues, not some juvenile with race insecurities. If you want that, go to Stormfront forums.

Based on your Menstrual-Rage-post you're having, sounds like you just pissed yourself more than anything else. You're dismissed.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Learning Arabic won't unify Muslims. Look at the Arab world- it's not unified, nor have they created a "powerful economic block" independent of the western world. The gulf Arab countries have western allies and are some of the most westernized countries in the whole of Asia and they are part of the Arabic speaking world. In contrast, Iran doesn't have Arabic as a national language yet it's less shackled to the western world than the Arab countries. Speaking Arabic has no correlation to being independent of the western world. Language alone isn't enough to unite all the people from Morocco to Sudan, from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan.

Well the mistake you're making here, is that you're assuming that they have a Lingua Franca. Arabs of this day and age mainly speak in dialectal Arabic, Modern standard Arabic exists, but it's not as implemented.

I will agree it won't "in itself" do it all, but a Lingua Franca, international policy, economic policies and collaborations will. Lingua Franca is just one piece of that puzzle.

It won't reduce inter ethnic strife. Arabic is the national language of Iraq, spoken by Arabs and non Arabs, yet Iraq is one of the most ethnically fractured countries in the world, probably even more than Afghanistan.

refer to above.

It won't reduce extremism- as a matter of fact, there is less Islamic extremism in the countries where they DON'T speak Arabic, like Iran, Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey, Azerbaijan and the Central Asian republics. You don't need to make your whole country learn Arabic just to understand the Qur'an when it would be easier just to distribute Farsi and Pashto translations.

This is false.

Afghanistan is a very extremist country, even without Taliban and AlQaeda, the rural Afghans have such backwards views regarding the role of women, that aren't even sanctioned in Islam. Islam allows women to particpate in society. Sure the Urban Afghans tried to change this, but they went the OPPOSITE extreme, and just tried copying Farangis.

Pakistan also has this problem.

Azarbaijan isn't extremist, but they're very "Russified" and lost a lot of their self respect and dignity due to Russianization. We don't want that either. We want that happy medium. Modern society that retains its core values while progressing at the same time.

Hence why populations understanding Arabic will be a great instrument to lead to anesthetisizing societies from both trends.

Arabic might have a history of being a scientific language but it's just that - history. Today Arab countries produce little of scientific or technical value and the countries that are economically developed (UAE, Bahrain, Qatar) are completely westernized anyway so if you really wanted to learn another language you could get by just fine with English.

Exactly, it's just that, history, and Thus we can use that history to create a platform for the future. Your countering by saying "it's just that, history" doesn't counter the merit. You in fact just conceded to it.

You're conflating what Arabs are 'doing' with what Arabic the language can be useful for. A Horse won't take you to your destination, unless you ride it. (Chinese saying)

And I don't see why we have to fight the western hegemony by absorbing into the Arab hegemony.

Lingua Franca isn't Hegemony. Saying this implies you don't understand what a Lingua Franca is or its role.

The Western Hegemony exists giviing it economic and social leverage over us. This is why we should detoxify from it. Arabs exist on more or less the same playing field as we do, in the current age, thus it wouldn't be a hegemony, as we'd have mutually beneficial economic drivers.

You haven't given well thought out reasons.

If you stopped with the confirmation bias, maybe they'd be clearer, also learning what a Lingua Franca actually is would help....your responses suggest you don't grasp it. Maybe I'm wrong?

Your solution to the Pashto vs Persian issue is to ignore both languages and instead elevate the status of a completely random language. It would be like if the Belgians couldn't decide whether to make the lingua franca Dutch or French so instead they make their national language Polish. I'm sure a Tajik would prefer to learn Pashto instead of Arabic since a) it's at least an Iranic language and b) Pashto is way more relevant, useful and practical in Afghanistan, and vice versa.

Never made that suggestion, complete strawman. Also, you did a bait-and-switch, earllier you said something about "You're only Muslim if you speak Arabic" or something to that effect. When you realized that wasn't what was being argued here, You stilled railed against this. Which suggests you're against this NO MATTER WHAT, even if it does benefit us.

Nuristanis should learn their mother tongue and either Pashto or Persian because it's the 2 major historical and current languages of the country and they need it to get by. Arabic, however, is completely irrelevant. There is no need to complicate things in an already multi lingual country with competing languages by adding another language.

See , now you're contradicting yourself. Why should they accept Perso- or Pashto-hegemony just because it's historical and current status quo? (I'm sarcastically using your faulty reasoning)

This is exactly what I mean by confrirmation bias.

I'm just in shock that there are people on this forum who are legitimately debating the benefits of making Arabic the lingua franca of Afghanistan. You must be Pakistani because in Pakistan they are more open to foreign influences, which is why they have Urdu (a mix of Persian, Arabic, Hindi) and English as their national languages. In Afghanistan it would be a huge culture shock and not an easy change to implement.

We're not talking about making Arabic lingua franca of Afghanistan, we're talking about making Arabic Lingua Franca of the entire Muslim inhabited world. This would include Afghanistan but it's not an policy only for Afghanistan.

If I was Pakistani, I'd more likely argue that Urdu should be the lingua franca of the Muslim world, in fact that's what some Pakistanis often convey.

[KingdomofHeaven]

The only way Afghans Can truly become free is by breaking away from Arab organized religion....and Arab hegemony....Westerner are not ot our enemy...people need to start thinking logically rather than trust superstitious beliefs.....

Religion/Islam is bull****...its ****ing made up people...Muhammad wrote it himself..this Guy was a fraud...he was a Traveller...he Traveller around the Middle East...he knew about judeochristian faiths and copied them and rewritted it in his own Arab language to become Rich and Powerful King of Arabs and the World...which he did..he became very Rich, Powerful and fameous...and even worshiped...you have to mention his name alongside God (l"ahela ila lalu Muhammad rasul Allah"...LOL Talk about Ego

...there was no ****ing angels or god talking...lol....people of the ancient times were gullible...they believe anything, After all people used to worshiped Stones....


The A-rats with their Pislam and pedophile prophet have ****ed the Middle Eastern World since the Last 1400 years....

What We need is to Break sway from PIslam and Osam Bin Abdul hegemony....not to adopt their distastefule language and become even Deeper caught in this Prison of the mind

I Dont want my sons and daughter to speak the ugly language of Arabs...whom are inferior in every way.....these slimy arats have been using islam to become relevant in the World....without islam they are nothing simple as that...they dissapear just as their pedophile prophet who raped a 10 year old girl....

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Religion/Islam is bull****...its ****ing made up guys...Muhammad wrote it himself..this Guy was a fraud...he was a Traveller...he Traveller around the Middle East...he knew about judeochristian faiths and copied them and rewritted it in his own Arab language to become Rich and Powerful King of Arabs and the World...which he did..he became very Rich, Powerful and fameous...and even worshiped...you have to mention his name alongside God (l"ahela ila lalu Muhammad rasul Allah"...LOL Talk about Ego

...there was no ****ing angels or god talking...lol....people of the ancient times were gullible...they believe anything, After all people used to worshiped Stones....
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dude you're like spazzing out, you basically lost it after I called out your racial inadequacy issues. Seek help.

[Firdousi]

You guys need seriously to educate yourselves. The Middle East became Arab many centuries before the Islamic arrival: Lakhmids, Ghassanids, Nabateans, Palmyra,.. they were all Arabs. Rome had an emperor from Syria called Filipo the Arab.. and so on.

Your stupidity is hilarious lol