If the Taliban were ISI stooges, why did they refuse to recognize the Durand line?

[ScimitarXEdge]

backtracking buddy,





Case closed.

No back tracking at all I said that IN THE BEGINNING of this thread, go look yourself.

If anything You're the one who's committing a Straw Man.

the case was closed five pages ago; you keep rambling because you can't accept your attempt to legitimize the Taliban flunked

[Ghundal]

I am equal to the prophet.

Excuse ME

WHAT?

[khushal]

Uh this doesn't say that I equated foreign support in and of itself is illegitimate. I am referring to Pakistan, who also help Americans kill Afghans ....I thought you got that part?

So no you can't "replace" those words because the Turks are not currently letting Americans kill civilian Syrians while backing the Syrian resistance.

Keep grasping fool. There's no contradiction because the premises are different; Turks are good people Pakistan is a corrupt fraud Government who holds double agendas at the stake of Afghan lives

Turkey kill and oppresses Kurds and they have been doing that for the past century. They house US military bases, They have committed as much attrocities if not more than paksitan

[ScimitarXEdge]

I am equal to the prophet, every human being is he was just a man. like we are but he was chosen by God, besides that there was no difference. He had short comings and virtues like we all do; hence we're all equal

[ScimitarXEdge]

Turkey kill and oppresses Kurds and they have been doing that for the past century. They house US military bases,

We're talking about modern Turkey, which is slowly becoming more Islamically centered, not the Attaturk Turks, who are losing sway. They're trying to undo what the last 90 years of attaturkism did

[khushal]

taliban killed and oppresses Hazaras and other minorities and housed AlQaeda, helped Pakistan who has American bases kill afghans.

The Only Kurds who are oppressed in Turkey are PKK separatists

Waht are you talking about. their language is banned and they are banned from practicing their own culture. They are forced to be turkinized. You should ask yourself why is their a seperatist movemnet in the fist place.
http://www.mit.edu/~thistle/v12/2/kurds.html

[کیش]

I am "rambling" about how you chose to intervene in the thread but if yoi don't support the Taliban, why did hind quarters start bleeding as if I was insulting your boyfriend? If you think the Taliban aren't legit, then nothing I said should have been a problem. Oh I get it, you're one of those people who think Taliban suicide bombing and killing civilians is ok because NATO do it, right?

The other stuff is just a pathetic excuse for not working on your deen nothing I said was fallacious you used to BRAG about smoking weed on here. That's how it works you complete step one the go on to step 2. Not sure why that's a problem for you?

I am equal to the prophet, we're all equal to the Prophet(saw) you think the Propeht didnt feel defeated or had bad days Half the Qur'an is about bringing him up from feeling hopeless and a failure; he was just like us. Time to face that and start putting HIS words into YOUR actions.

You are equal to the Prophet in terms of being a human being, yes. That is where it stops. I know the Prophet had alot of hopeless times, hence why he tried to jump from the mountain. But God chose the soul of Muhammad Ibn Abdullah to carry his final message; That is where he is much different than you and I.

Your using the excuse of fix yourself to leave the ummah deceased, defeated, and humiliated. The ummah was never perfect even while the Prophet lived, you see how they acted once he died? They were confused, worried, and hopeless on what will happen next. Alot of them left Islam, created their own sects, or went back to their old ways. Why did the Europeans create colonies and fall borders? To keep the ummah disunited, and to keep them busy worrying about Nationalistic matters.

NY is the front lines in the war on Islam. Any time of day--thanks to NDAA Act-- a muslim can get arrested for life, simply for being a Muslim.

I would love to see the Taliban gone; what will happen after though?

[khushal]

We're talking about modern Turkey, which is slowly becoming more Islamically centered, not the Attaturk Turks, who are losing sway. They're trying to undo what the last 90 years of attaturkism did

but they still suppress the kurds from their own freedoms, and they beg the EU fro membership. What islmaically centered, they have a turkish version of playboy with turkish cneterfold.

[ScimitarXEdge]

You are equal to the Prophet in terms of being a human being, yes. That is where it stops. I know the Prophet had alot of hopeless times, hence why he tried to jump from the mountain. But God chose the soul of Muhammad Ibn Abdullah to carry his final message; That is where he is much different than you and I.

Your using the excuse of fix yourself to leave the ummah deceased, defeated, and humiliated. The ummah was never perfect even while the Prophet lived, you see how they acted once he died? They were confused, worried, and hopeless on what will happen next. Alot of them left Islam, created their own sects, or went back to their old ways. Why did the Europeans create colonies and fall borders? To keep the ummah disunited, and to keep them busy worrying about Nationalistic matters.

NY is the front lines in the war on Islam. Any time of day--thanks to NDAA Act-- a muslim can get arrested for life, simply for being a Muslim.

I would love to see the Taliban gone; what will happen after though?

No I am saying you have to fix yourself first because that the ONLY way to do all the others. Since you yourself admit the Prophet(saw) came here t send the message; well guess what? THAT is the message he sent. Start with yourself THEN move to bigger things.

That's what the Syrians are doing. starting with themselves, PERFECTLY Islamic. Taliban however ahem ....

[ScimitarXEdge]

More Islamic centered? That is why they are killing and oppresing Kurds, a Muslim group?

That is why, until the zionist attack on the turkish ship outside of Palestine, that Israel and Turkey had very close relations?

Is that in the interest of the Ummah?

Or what about the initial stages of the Syrian uprising where Turkish soldiers first deported Syrian refugees back to Syria to face certain death until they realized that Al-Asad's time is gone and quickly started to oppose the same Al-Asad regime they supported before?

How is that Islamic?

No single country on the earth is Islamic sadly which describes the current state of us. But Insha'Allah the Arab spring will change that.

The Prophet Muhammad (saws) was not like you and me what is this nonsense? Have you ever heard of the divine Miracles Prophet Muhammad (saws) performed? He was flesh and blood as all humans but he was the choosen one and his call made Arabs Muslims and later many others.

His shortcomings was deliberately because Almighty Allah (swt) put him on struggles especially when he was in Medinah and wanted to explain his divine message from Almighty Allah (swt). It is true that he feared noone expect Almighty Allah (swt) but his mission was divine and that is why he cannot be regarded at the same level as me and you.

The Attaturkist regimes were targeting Kurds, Turkey now a days is more compatible to Kurds. And look who's talking here? You called Kurds traitors and that they should be slaughtered even though the Ba'ath used to oppress them more than the Turks did. Now you're pretending to be on their side?


Nabi(saw) Muhammad's short comings are what make him equal to me; anyone could have been chosen to be Nabi(saw) even you or I it just so happened it was him. He was a man. that's all, like we are ALL men are fundamentally equal. Thus like Al-Kashgari I will treat Nabi(saw) as my equal too

what will you do about that?

[کیش]

No I am saying you have to fix yourself first because that the ONLY way to do all the others. Since you yourself admit the Prophet(saw) came here t send the message; well guess what? THAT is the message he sent. Start with yourself THEN move to bigger things.

That's what the Syrians are doing. starting with themselves, PERFECTLY Islamic. Taliban however ahem ....

Your arguments isn't wrong; everybody should fix themselves. The process of fixing yourself takes a lifetime, when will people start fixing the ummah?

That is what I've been trying to say. What is success for Syrians, removing Abbas? What happens after. Will the West install another puppet who they will remove again in 30 years. Will the Syrians calm down and live a normal life ignoring their Palestinian brothers call for help? Since their lives are once again in peace.

[ScimitarXEdge]

but they still suppress the kurds from their own freedoms, and they beg the EU fro membership. What islmaically centered, they have a turkish version of playboy with turkish cneterfold.

Actually not these days since the Islamists came into power

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/13/world/la-fg-turkey-election-20110613

read for yourself

In addition to a solid core of pious Turks who voted for the AKP because they identify with its conservative values, voters interviewed in different parts of Istanbul expressed concern about the economy and the issue of resolving the decades-old conflict with ethnic Kurds, who account for a fifth of Turkey's 75 million people. Constitutional changes championed by the AKP and others would expand the definition of citizenship to include Kurds and other ethnic and religious minorities.

They're reconciling, so what you say no longer applies.

[randolph85]

the same reason rabbani's government didn't accept publicly accept the line. it would be a pr disaster. not to mention, whether one accepts it or not, its a reality.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Your arguments isn't wrong; everybody should fix themselves. The process of fixing yourself takes a lifetime, when will people start fixing the ummah?

That is what I've been trying to say. What is success for Syrians, removing Abbas? What happens after. Will the West install another puppet who they will remove again in 30 years. Will the Syrians calm down and live a normal life ignoring their Palestinian brothers call for help? Since their lives are once again in peace.

The sahaba akram(ra) were able to fix themselves in a matter of 20 years , if they can do it, so can we.

It starts with Assad andif the Ikhwan take hold it will spread, everywhere I am not a sight seer, I can only hope if the day comes when Syrians no longer see that as their goal, they will no longer be legitimate.

[Ghundal]

Don't let Scimitar escape.

I simply and objectively pointed out the contradiction evident in his reasoning where he says that insurgencies that have outside support and safe havens dont have a basis.

He uses this reasoning in regards to the Afghan insurgency, but not in regards to the Syrian insurgency which enjoys safe havens in Turkey and is funded by the Saudi Wahabis ( same ones he says exports Wahabism to Afghanistan).

I have pointed out this contradiction continuously. He made me dig up a post of his to then prove the conditions he puts forth for insurgencies.

Keep in mind that I am simply pointing out his contradiction. I am passing no opinion. Also, keep in mind, we are assuming the Pakistan support for Afghan insurgency to be true for the sake of me closing this debate.



These are facts.

You can see the above posts I raise of Scimitar's about how he determines what is legitimate and what is not ( some number of posts above) In his desperate backpedaling, he forced me to fetch it.

Case closed