If the Taliban were ISI stooges, why did they refuse to recognize the Durand line?

[khushal]

The Libyans were hardly rational, they're persecution of blacks in Libya, who by the way were also Muslims; the Taliban similarly were not more rational before, they happily murdered civilians; it's just with a more powerful force around them, they couldnt go unchecked in that tactic, so they had to step up with suicide attacks.

Exactly, once NATO became involved and sent in special forces and bombed gadafi forces, then the whole thing became irrational becasue it was no longer a domistic issue.

I need sources where the taliban targeted civilians pre 911

[Ghundal]

Scimitar, I second Khushals request for sources about the Taliban targeting civilians

Also, while your at it, please explain to me why you don't deny the Syrian insurgency based on their Turkish safe havens (Turks oppress Kurds, even joined hands with Assad in doing that) and the backing and funding they get from Saudi Wahabis/AQ/ Qatar/ ? The Saudi Wahabis are the same ones who export Wahabism to Afghanistan( according to you)

Thanks

[ScimitarXEdge]

Exactly, once NATO became involved and sent in special forces and bombed gadafi forces, then the whole thing became irrational becasue it was no longer a domistic issue.

I need sources where the taliban targeted civilians pre 911

wait you just said they were domestic , now you're saying it isn't explain how NATO becoming involved made the "resistance" irrational when the resistance were winning on their accord and how they were rational when Gaddafi was making mince meat out of them

[ScimitarXEdge]

Scimitar, I second Khushals request for sources about the Taliban targeting civilians

Also, while your at it, please explain to me why you don't deny the Syrian insurgency based on their Turkish safe havens (Turks oppress Kurds, even joined hands with Assad in doing that) and the backing and funding they get from Saudi Wahabis/AQ/ Qatar/ ? The Saudi Wahabis are the same ones who export Wahabism to Afghanistan( according to you)

Thanks

I did that like 100 times, you're looking for an answer that pleases your "The Taliban are true Muslim Mujahideen" fallacy.

here you go

http://books.google.com/books?id=jquT4yFN_zgC&pg=PA36&dq=Taliban++targeted+civilians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SeNKT_2vCOrg0QH8n-30DQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Taliban%20%20targeted%20civilians&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=3eiIgQiHTkUC&pg=PA21&dq=Taliban++targeted+civilians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SeNKT_2vCOrg0QH8n-30DQ&ved=0CGcQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=Taliban%20%20targeted%20civilians&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=fVD8aTISzD4C&pg=PA585&dq=Taliban++targeted+civilians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=quNKT4-IEKfh0gHvjpmFDg&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=Taliban%20%20targeted%20civilians&f=false

[khushal]

wait you just said they were domestic , now you're saying it isn't explain how NATO becoming involved made the "resistance" irrational when the resistance were winning on their accord and how they were rational when Gaddafi was making mince meat out of them

It was domestic at the beginning just like the syrian rebellion is domestic right now. It can all change and you will aslo be calling the syrian rebels cowards just like you are the libyan rebels who were killing the turegs.

[ScimitarXEdge]

But your logic is skewed here's why

you were saying the horrors of war are what drives people to do crazy things. But you were saying that initially it wasnt crazy , even though Qaddhafi was exterminating these guys left and right.

After NATO helped the Insurgents, and their death numbers decreased dramatically and many people who were not initially even involved or witnessed deaths started joining when there were less chance of deaths. Then they turned into mad men.

Do you see why you're inconsistent here?

[ScimitarXEdge]

syria and turkey were allies in supressing and oppressing the kurds.

ITs you who said turkey is not like paksitan, I am trying to show they are not that much different.

WERE like 12 years ago ....not IS that's the difference New Regime, New Laws, new standards buddy, can't blame the current Turkish regime for the past. That would be like giving credit to Najib for what Mirwais Khan Hotaki did.


Think logically Khushal

[Ghundal]

WERE like 12 years ago ....not IS that's the difference New Regime, New Laws, new standards buddy, can't blame the current Turkish regime for the past. That would be like giving credit to Najib for what Mirwais Khan Hotaki did.


Think logically Khushal

Turkey is still oppressing the Kurds, and was even last year conducting air raids on Kurdish areas sometime with Assads forces attacking the Kurds from Syria at the same time

This happened a lot last year and still is happening

You just make up things

[badmash_khel]

There are no borders in the Taliban's imaginary ummah dream so why would they recognize Duran Line? Duran Line doesn't even exist in reality as tribes cross the border all the time and FATA is an autonomous region anyway. They have their own laws and no Talib can enforce the border even if they tried.

so the biggest reason for not recognizing Duran line
- Not to upset the pashtuns who form majority of the Taliban
- Islamically doesn't make sense since these borders were drawn by the British anyway
- One of the few cards Taliban had up their sleeve against pakistan

Also maybe Pakistan doesn't want a border there and want to make the whole of Afghansitan their 5th province, if not the whole of Afghanistan then at least pashtun areas

[tor_khan]

^There's plausibility in your thoughts there too Badmashkhel.

[Afghanistan2010]

There are no borders in the Taliban's imaginary ummah dream so why would they recognize Duran Line? Duran Line doesn't even exist in reality as tribes cross the border all the time and FATA is an autonomous region anyway. They have their own laws and no Talib can enforce the border even if they tried.

so the biggest reason for not recognizing Duran line
- Not to upset the pashtuns who form majority of the Taliban
- Islamically doesn't make sense since these borders were drawn by the British anyway
- One of the few cards Taliban had up their sleeve against pakistan

Also maybe Pakistan doesn't want a border there and want to make the whole of Afghansitan their 5th province, if not the whole of Afghanistan then at least pashtun areas

Keep the dream in your pocket of 5th province,you have said this today and i overhear it,don't say it tomorrow again.

Malgarya che kams na kams de zamong qoam de paktya jaang pe da dalkhoro shuro kri no bya yeh gorrah che pe dehli war khezo ka na ...ta na pohege,mong afghan yow mong de cha ghulami hetzs kalla na manu,mong musalmanan yow,mong de ghadarano,kuffaro , yarghalgaro sarruna wayo ow winne yeh toyawu....

[ScimitarXEdge]

Anyone that recognizes the durand line would feel the wrath of the tribes on the line. The line is unrecognizable because the people living on the line have never and will never recognize it.

The Taliban are no ones stooges, they fight foriegners on their soil, wheather they be NATO or Pakistani soldiers in FATA. FATA is not apart of Pakistan, it is an independent entity whose tribesmen have pledged allegience to Mullah Omar. The "stooges" label is propaganda to illegitimize the Afghans natural rebellions against foreign invaders throughout history. It is a tactic to label an indigenous resistance as a foreign proxy.

The Afghans are not falling for it.

I'm going to hold you to this

[ډګروال]

Anyone that recognizes the durand line would feel the wrath of the tribes on the line. The line is unrecognizable because the people living on the line have never and will never recognize it.

The Taliban are no ones stooges, they fight foriegners on their soil, wheather they be NATO or Pakistani soldiers in FATA. FATA is not apart of Pakistan, it is an independent entity whose tribesmen have pledged allegience to Mullah Omar. The "stooges" label is propaganda to illegitimize the Afghans natural rebellions against foreign invaders throughout history. It is a tactic to label an indigenous resistance as a foreign proxy.

The Afghans are not falling for it.

yes

@admin
good question

why did the taliban had a shootout with torkham border guards in 1997?
Why didnt pakistan even dare to raise the durand line issue,unlike now?

why wasnt Afghansitan being shelled as pakistan does nowadays?
how was it that pakistan wasnt able to invade an inch of Afghanistan unlike nowadays in goshtha area?

[khushal]

yes

@admin
good question

why did the taliban had a shootout with torkham border guards in 1997?
Why didnt pakistan even dare to raise the durand line issue,unlike now?

why wasnt Afghansitan being shelled as pakistan does nowadays?
how was it that pakistan wasnt able to invade an inch of Afghanistan unlike nowadays in goshtha area?

not only that, but the Iranians stationed 200,000 troops at the afghan border for invasion to avenge their agents being killed and at the last minute chickened out. Today you have the head of the afghan government on the payroll of the iranians and the head of the defense ministry molesting kids on camara.
People like Comradpashtuna are a joke.

[khushal]

I'm going to hold you to this

hold on to what, that the afghans have a history of resisting foreign invasions. Go build a time machine and go back in time and change history and only then you could prove that wrong.