If the Taliban were ISI stooges, why did they refuse to recognize the Durand line?

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Syrian insurgency has no legitimacy. Their actions result in the deaths of Syrian civilians because they know that Bashar Assad will fire on their locations, regardless of whether there are civilians or not in the area. Recently, they are using suicide bombing tactics against Assad forces. Therefore, they have no legality as a legal insurgency.

ALSO,

They receive backing from Saudi Arabian Wahabis and Qatari sheikhs. They operate from safe havens out of Turkey.

Therefore, the Syrian insurgency according to you has no legitimacy

Yeah ok; inventing your own narrrative wont somehow make it true ....nice try buddy.

ou just said the Syrians were legit earlier; no taking it back now. Face it, the Taliban are fags who hate women, and touch boys, just like you.

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LOL @ Kundhal saying I made a claim yet not even able to show any proof in his favor

You conceded the claim in this thread. THIS THREAD.

In debates with Barakzai and Khushal, you have repeated these retorts

Im not going to go and research your posts, you can do that yourself, but they are ALL there for you to see. You cant delete them, but not others responses to them.

LOL @ YOUr clownish ways, and your backtracking. Just read this thread

and then read your garbage here too

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=22625&highlight=barakzaiabdali&page=14

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Yeah ok; inventing your own narrrative wont somehow make it true ....nice try buddy.

ou just said the Syrians were legit earlier; no taking it back now. Face it, the Taliban are fags who hate women, and touch boys, just like you.

Syrian insurgents are getting backed by AQ. Assad is right. Syrian insurgents are US/Turkish/Saudi Wahabi/AQ proxies/ slaves. Also, since they are using Turkish safe havens, that adds to them lacking credibility as a legitimate insurgency. All support for any insurgency must come from within Syria.

Erdogan is a US proxy as well as Saudi Arabia/Qatar.

Syrian insurgency has also started using suicide bombing, killing scores of civilians. Syrian insurgency is purposely targeting civilians, they also know that Assad will kill civilians when targeting them.

They should stop fighting because civilians are dying.

Therefore, they are slaves.

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You conceded the claim in this thread. THIS THREAD.

In debates with Barakzai and Khushal, you have repeated these retorts

Im not going to go and research your posts, you can do that yourself, but they are ALL there for you to see. You cant delete them, but not others responses to them.

LOL @ YOUr clownish ways, and your backtracking. Just read this thread

and then read your garbage here too

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthr...abdali&page=14

where did I concede this claim in this thread???? mind pointing it out and where in that thread I make such a claim

SHOW QUOTES ...DIRECT QUOTES ....god you are slow.

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Syrian insurgents are getting backed by AQ. Assad is right. Syrian insurgents are US/Turkish/Saudi Wahabi/AQ proxies/ slaves. Also, since they are using Turkish safe havens, that adds to them lacking credibility as a legitimate insurgency. All support for any insurgency must come from within Syria.

Erdogan is a US proxy as well as Saudi Arabia/Qatar.

Syrian insurgency has also started using suicide bombing, killing scores of civilians. Syrian insurgency is purposely targeting civilians, they also know that Assad will kill civilians when targeting them.

They should stop fighting because civilians are dying.

Therefore, they are slaves.

False Dichotomy I said both parties deny it was the Syrian resistance, Al Qaeda aren't Syrians remember?

Either way; try harder, no amount of rephrasing and restructuring narratives will legitimize the Taliban

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where did I concede this claim in this thread???? mind pointing it out and where in that thread I make such a claim

SHOW QUOTES ...DIRECT QUOTES ....god you are slow.

Like I said. While you afford the Syrian insurgency legitimacy despite Turkish safe havens and Saudi/Qatari support and funding, you dont do the same for the Afghan insurgency.

In fact, you ignore your conditions of what makes an insurgency legitimate in regards to Syria. Turkish safe havens and Saudi/Qatar and potential US support you ignore.

Contradiction.

Im not going to satisfy your need to be right all the time, as I have shown you contradict yourself

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=20996&page=2

If that's your argument; then the Afghan government has been in exile for decades since the Taliban are not legitimate Afghan government because it hasn't been accepted by the majority of Afghanistan's citizens; them using Pakistani support to impose themselves on Afghanistan is not "legitimacy".

The issue is irrelevant though because in Quetta, Pakistan's Government holds the territory, most people carry Pakistani Passports, and Pakistni governmental institutions administrate there.


You are a Pakistani.....deadl with it.

One can replace the words Taliban with Syrian insurgency and Pakistan with - Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and potentially the US.

Again, we are discussing your reasoning, not mine.

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The Taliban on average cause more civilian deaths than even NATO; if you consider that "doing their job" your value for Muslim life is less than NATO's which is sickening since you and I both agree NATO cares nothing for Muslims and invades and slaughters civilians regularly. The Taiban's success with Najib was because Najib's backers backed out on him, he was nothing without hiim where as Libyans had a powerful dictator, one who could **** on Najib-e-Gow 4 times over and well Egypt was backed by the U.S. and you know their firepower, heck not even the Taliban can, isn't that the excuse you give for Taliban suicide bombings which kill more civilians than NATO? of course.

The Taliban are exactly a lesson on HOW NOT TO FIGHT; If I were the rest of the Muslim world and watching a bunch of Pedophilic, Child Molesting Criminals, who smoke chars (something you can identify with) claiming to be heroes of Islam and yet killing more Muslims. I'd be cautious about how and when I revolt against a corrupt leader and regime too. Impulsive decisions are not a sign of bravery and sincerity If it was you're be right there with the Taliban fighting with them, you're not because you know they're incompetent.

The Prophets nation came along with him, they were in Madinah, the ones in Abyssinia were safe because the Negus was sympathetic to the Muslims, so there was nothing to worry about with him. The Prophet waited till he could establish a power base, THEN he overthrew Makkah, that's what's happening right now God Willing.

The Obligation is

1.) fix yourself
2.) fix your family
3.) fix your community
4.) fix your society
5.) Fix the world

You don't leap from Step 1 to Step 5, if Muhammad(saw) didnt do that, nor can you. You're not even at step 0 my Ganja using friend.

you're trying hard to grab on to any ploy in the book to justify the Taliban; of which your own relatives are working with the NATO forces to tyrannize Afghans, by your own admission. Seriously fix yourself. The Taliban are far from Islam.

more fallacy by your very deceptive argument. I never said i supported the Taliban, i just said what they did. They did stop Najibullah, before he could become a dictator. the Syrians (and other Arabs) just stood there and did not do anything for years. What was it that gave them this spark? can it be Americans switching puppets? since these "fighters" beg for NATO to intervene to help them.

Muslim are fallible, how can you fix yourself if most people think they are good people? All those Arabs in the "Arab Spring" believe they are good muslims, so the "fix yourself" theory is played out. A man can spend his whole life trying to "fix" himself, but they will still be insecurities.

fix your family, community and world is one body. When a muslim calls another Muslim a brother, and sister it isn't a gang thing. We all come from Adam (though, i don't think you believe this) They are all one family, living under god's commandments (or suppose to). Fixing your family is fixing your ummah. Fix the society so the people wont be messed up in the head, like the Muslims are today.

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more fallacy by your very deceptive argument. I never said i supported the Taliban, i just said what they did. They did stop Najibullah, before he could become a dictator. the Syrians (and other Arabs) just stood there and did not do anything for years. What was it that gave them this spark? can it be Americans switching puppets? since these "fighters" beg for NATO to intervene to help them.

Muslim are fallible, how can you fix yourself if most people think they are good people? All those Arabs in the "Arab Spring" believe they are good muslims, so the "fix yourself" theory is played out. A man can spend his whole life trying to "fix" himself, but they will still be insecurities.

fix your family, community and world is one body. When a muslim calls another Muslim a brother, and sister it isn't a gang thing. We all come from Adam (though, i don't think you believe this) They are all one family, living under god's commandments (or suppose to). Fixing your family is fixing your ummah. Fix the society so the people wont be messed up in the head, like the Muslims are today.

then why are you even involved? If you dont support the Taliban there's no debate here. ...How do you fix yourself? Examine your condition and see what you're doing wrong, then fix it. Pretty simple.

Yes fix you family FIRST THEN your community then the world; I never said it's a gang thing it's a step by step process; you being a ganja smoking New Yorker, have a hard time comprehending you MUST go in steps that's how the Nabi(saw) did it.

**** you pretend like you want to be a Muslim but you ignore your Prophet(saw), you're one of those people who idolize hm like a God yet never actually apply his message because you say to yourself "he's perfect , I can never apply what he told us to because I am not him" and then sit complacently like a coward in New York. Typical.

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Like I said. While you afford the Syrian insurgency legitimacy despite Turkish safe havens and Saudi/Qatari support and funding, you dont do the same for the Afghan insurgency.

In fact, you ignore your conditions of what makes an insurgency legitimate in regards to Syria. Turkish safe havens and Saudi/Qatar and potential US support you ignore.

Contradiction.

Im not going to satisfy your need to be right all the time, as I have shown you contradict yourself

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=20996&page=2

One can replace the words Taliban with Syrian insurgency and Pakistan with - Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and potentially the US.

Again, we are discussing your reasoning, not mine.

Uh this doesn't say that I equated foreign support in and of itself is illegitimate. I am referring to Pakistan, who also help Americans kill Afghans ....I thought you got that part?

So no you can't "replace" those words because the Turks are not currently letting Americans kill civilian Syrians while backing the Syrian resistance.

Keep grasping fool. There's no contradiction because the premises are different; Turks are good people Pakistan is a corrupt fraud Government who holds double agendas at the stake of Afghan lives

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If that's your argument; then the Afghan government has been in exile for decades since the Taliban are not legitimate Afghan government because it hasn't been accepted by the majority of Afghanistan's citizens; them using Pakistani support to impose themselves on Afghanistan is not "legitimacy".

The issue is irrelevant though because in Quetta, Pakistan's Government holds the territory, most people carry Pakistani Passports, and Pakistni governmental institutions administrate there.


You are a Pakistani.....deadl with it.

One can replace the words Taliban with Syrian insurgency and Pakistan with - Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and potentially the US.

Again, we are discussing your reasoning, not mine.

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No you're not because my reasoning for Pakistan vastly differs here based on context ...so you're not talking about anything except what's called a Straw Man Argument

A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2]

precisely what you're doing now by trying to replace "Pakistan" and "Turkey"

haha

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then why are you even involved? If you dont support the Taliban there's no debate here. ...How do you fix yourself? Examine your condition and see what you're doing wrong, then fix it. Pretty simple.

Yes fix you family FIRST THEN your community then the world; I never said it's a gang thing it's a step by step process; you being a ganja smoking New Yorker, have a hard time comprehending you MUST go in steps that's how the Nabi(saw) did it.

**** you pretend like you want to be a Muslim but you ignore your Prophet(saw), you're one of those people who idolize hm like a God yet never actually apply his message because you say to yourself "he's perfect , I can never apply what he told us to because I am not him" and then sit complacently like a coward in New York. Typical.

What are you rambling about Mahmoud? can you debate without bringing biases and fallacious statements about the topics discussed?

New York is a frontline. The government has been eying Muslims here for close to a decade. Whose a coward hiding in New England? Any moment in the day a Muslim in NY can get arrested simply for being a Muslim

i don't idolize the Prophet, your saying your equal to a Prophet which you are far-off from one.

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Uh this doesn't say that I equated foreign support in and of itself is illegitimate. I am referring to Pakistan, who also help Americans kill Afghans ....I thought you got that part?

So no you can't "replace" those words because the Turks are not currently letting Americans kill civilian Syrians while backing the Syrian resistance.

Keep grasping fool.

backtracking buddy,

your just getting desperate now.

Everyone knows here that your reasoning behind denying the basis of the Afghan insurgency is alleged outside support in terms of safe havens and logistics


Look, im not going to go in circles with you


This is your reasoning. Deal with it, and apply it across the board to the Syrian insurgency which is backed by Saudi Wahabis (the same ones you say back Afghan insurgency to export Wahabism).


Back pedaling, retracting wont help you as you have had this very same debate with Barakzai and Khushal

We are addressing alleged Pakistan support for the Afghan insurgency. Pakistan support for the US war and Karzai government is a fact. This support has resulted in an insurgency directed against Pakistan. Your reasoning is completely flawed, and shaky/one-sided.

Like, saying why does the Afghan insurgency target foreign forces when civilians are around? Well, the same question can be asked, why are the foreign forces walking near civilian areas? Your not asking that though.

Back to the topic

Everyone knows your reasoning in denying the basis of the Afghan insurgency has to do with outside support and safe havens in Pakistani territory. So why are you not extending this same reasoning to Syrian insurgency which enjoys outside support (GCC) and Turkish safe havens. the same Saudi Wahabis you rant against are funding the Syrian insurgency against Assad.



You cant just start loading new conditions to try to win an argument


Its getting stupid now, and Im not going to go in circles with you constantly sidestepping, and changing the goal post.

You should stick with your reasoning about insurgencies and apply it across the board.

Case closed.

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No you're not because my reasoning for Pakistan vastly differs here based on context ...so you're not talking about anything except what's called a Straw Man Argument



precisely what you're doing now by trying to replace "Pakistan" and "Turkey"

haha

Well, you just prove my point.

If you can recall. Im raising your reasoning about insurgencies, and how you have multiple standards. How you have backtracked in regards to Syrian insurgency versus Afghan insurgency.

Furthermore, Pakistan support for the Afghan insurgency is not even a verified fact, but for the sake of examining your logic, we are assuming it is true.

Secondly, states like Saudi Arabia/UAE/ and Qatar are funding the Afghan insurgency through private donors in order to put Iran in check.

BUT,

back to your logic.


Your saying that Afghan insurgency has no basis due to outside support and safe havens in Pakistani "territory." Never mind that this "territory" is Pashtun land for now, the fact is that is the standard your are using to deny the basis of the Afghan insurgency, BUT you dont do the same for the Syrian insurgency which is backed by the Saudi Wahabi/Qatar nexus and has safe havens in Turkey.

SO, you contradict yourself

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What are you rambling about Mahmoud? can you debate without bringing biases and fallacious statements about the topics discussed?

i don't idolize the Prophet, your saying your equal to a Prophet which you are far-off from one.

I am "rambling" about how you chose to intervene in the thread but if yoi don't support the Taliban, why did hind quarters start bleeding as if I was insulting your boyfriend? If you think the Taliban aren't legit, then nothing I said should have been a problem. Oh I get it, you're one of those people who think Taliban suicide bombing and killing civilians is ok because NATO do it, right?

The other stuff is just a pathetic excuse for not working on your deen nothing I said was fallacious you used to BRAG about smoking weed on here. That's how it works you complete step one the go on to step 2. Not sure why that's a problem for you?

I am equal to the prophet, we're all equal to the Prophet(saw) you think the Propeht didnt feel defeated or had bad days Half the Qur'an is about bringing him up from feeling hopeless and a failure; he was just like us. Time to face that and start putting HIS words into YOUR actions.