'Secret Pakistan' Exposed in BBC Documentary

[ScimitarXEdge]

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you fail as always

now go and find yourself another imperialist propaganda.

Mullah Zaeef's own words is imperialist propaganda? is that an animatronic robot imposter of Mullah Zaeef or something?

[tor_khan]

hey tor khan jana

how can this guy be calling me names,can i call names back?

Bite your lip - not because you don't deserve redress - but because he who stays civil makes the better argument.

I'll edit out the name-calling.

[tor_khan]

No I'm not denying that aspect, but you seem to think this is geared specifically for Pashtuns. Yet I'm sure there is probably proportionately equal amounts of this exploitation even amongst rural Punjab.

No I don't think that Pashtoons are alone here. Rural Panjabees/Sindhis etc. are also caught out this way. Discrimination is discrimination. As a Muslim and a human I would lend my principles to the wider cause.

My bias - unavoidably - is that I see Pashtoons being turned into front line cannon fodder alongside being kept in darkness. That is especially unfair. Pakistan as it stands doesn't work for Pashtoon interests

[کیش]

If pigs fly and Pakistan supports Taliban what's the problem? Good for Pakistan and the Taliban

America has 40+ allies in Afghanistan, and their adversary can't have just one?

I would also like to add that ANA/ANP gets training with 40+ nations, but they get their ass handed to them all the time. So Pakistani training is better then 40+?

[sanman]

Pakistan was supporting the Taliban from Day One. Pakistan invited in AlQaeda in order to make use of their money, connections and expertise. Pakistan always needs to make use of somebody else's money, because they have none of their own. Even rich Pakistanis don't pay taxes, you see. That's because even they know their country is just a black hole not worth throwing any money into.

[randolph85]

no one really invited obl to afghanistan initially, the saudis encouraged some of their own to join the afghans and bin laden took the initiative even though he spent most of his days in peshawar. in the 90s it was rabbani, probably with sayyafs influence, that allowed bin laden back into afghanistan.

[shehazadi]

just watched it. these pakistanis are very crooked and corrupt ppl i guess.i thought indians were bad, the pakis seem to be on a whole different level!!!!! i feel bad for afghans to live next to such a pathetic country. i thought we in nepal had it bad. the peope of nepal are with u.

[ScimitarXEdge]

If pigs fly and Pakistan supports Taliban what's the problem? Good for Pakistan and the Taliban

America has 40+ allies in Afghanistan, and their adversary can't have just one?

I would also like to add that ANA/ANP gets training with 40+ nations, but they get their ass handed to them all the time. So Pakistani training is better then 40+?

It's not merely the fact that Pakistan is helping the Taliban that's the problem; it's helping the Taliban ...and was responsible for manufacturing the civil war in Afghanistan, orders the murders of Muslims, specifically Afghans, allows America/NATO/Imperialists to use it's military capacity to murder more Muslims, and does so at the expense of Muslim lives. Which means the Taliban are exploited like pawns along with other afghans for strategic interests which harm them more than benefit.

[کیش]

It's not merely the fact that Pakistan is helping the Taliban that's the problem; it's helping the Taliban ...and was responsible for manufacturing the civil war in Afghanistan, orders the murders of Muslims, specifically Afghans, allows America/NATO/Imperialists to use it's military capacity to murder more Muslims, and does so at the expense of Muslim lives. Which means the Taliban are exploited like pawns along with other afghans for strategic interests which harm them more than benefit.

Then why would Pakistan help the Taliban? When it knows it can harm them. What does Pakistan gain from controlling Afghanistan?

[Admin Khan]

Then why would Pakistan help the Taliban? When it knows it can harm them. What does Pakistan gain from controlling Afghanistan?

In short:

1)Territorial integrity
2)Fear of Afghan-Indian alliance

Do you have any clue how many Pakistanis were visiting Kandahar, the de-facto capital, begging the Taliban to recognize the Durrand line? Pakistan really is concerned, despite not showing it. They fear a reunion between lar and bar, which could ultimately dismantle the Punjabi dominated leadership. I hate using ethnic terms, but it's the truth. Each ethnic group in Pakistan looks out for their own interests, and that's something most Pakistanis fear.

Pakistan is not capable of controlling every single Talib. That's just nonsense, and something to laugh at. However, to claim Taliban was free of depending and receiving funds from Pakistan is laughable, and ignorant. There were certainly elements in the Taliban, that were serving Pakistani interests.

As well all know, Pakistan is a champion when it comes to using Islam as a foreign policy.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Then why would Pakistan help the Taliban? When it knows it can harm them. What does Pakistan gain from controlling Afghanistan?

to Manipulate them for their own agenda

gain? territory, ....a buffer against India, dumb Taliban who can be used to die for their cause?

[کیش]

In short:

1)Territorial integrity
2)Fear of Afghan-Indian alliance

Do you have any clue how many Pakistanis were visiting Kandahar, the de-facto capital, begging the Taliban to recognize the Durrand line?

Pakistan is not capable of controlling every single Talib. That's just nonsense, and something to laugh at. However, to claim Taliban was free of depending and receiving funds from Pakistan is equally laughable. There were certainly elements in the Taliban, that were serving Pakistani interests.

As well all know, Pakistan is a champion when it comes to using Islam as a foreign policy.

Can that really be a reason to jeopardize a whole nation? Why would Pakistan kill their image in front of other nations, because of the Durand line? They can just wait it out a few generations and people will forget about the border issue. Look out Texas for exampe. It was claimed by Mexico and the US, as well as a a popular movement to turn Texas to an independent nation. To make the story short, Texas is now an American patriotic state.

Pakistan could wait it out, even if it takes generations. KP would slowly integrate into Pakistan (which it already is)

I don't belief this would be a reason for Pakistan to associate with the Taliban. They are only hurting themselves in the long-run. America just wants Pakistan, like it wanted Libya and Iraq.

[کیش]

to Manipulate them for their own agenda

gain? territory, ....a buffer against India, dumb Taliban who can be used to die for their cause?

Gain territory how? Like USA gained Libya as a territory or how Napoleon used to gain territory? Buffer against India, when Afghanistan isnt as close to India land wise then Pakistan.

[Admin Khan]

Can that really be a reason to jeopardize a whole nation? Why would Pakistan kill their image in front of other nations, because of the Durand line?

Territorial integrity. Many in the Pakistani leadership have spoken about this. In fact, as of recent, despite the current government of Afghanistan consisting of western puppets, the Afghan chief of staff said the following:
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff: Darya-e Sindh is the Afghan-Pak Border - YouTube

Now suppose you are part of the Pakistani establishment, would you not raise an eyebrow? Afghanistan is soon to have an army of 300,000 men strong. That's no joke buddy. They also recently requested "heavy-machinery".

Source for my 300,000 men claim:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/world/asia/24zabul.html?pagewanted=all

They can just wait it out a few generations and people will forget about the border issue. Look out Texas for exampe. It was claimed by Mexico and the US, as well as a a popular movement to turn Texas to an independent nation. To make the story short, Texas is now an American patriotic state.

Horrible comparison wrora. Afghanistan and Pakistan do not have a marked border. Mexico and the US does. Many other examples can also be provided, but you can't compare the two. Mexico is a developed nation, Pakistan is heavily unstable nation with a terrible leadership since it's inception. Pakistan is a British creation, with their divide and conquer policy at best.

I don't belief this would be a reason for Pakistan to associate with the Taliban. They are only hurting themselves in the long-run. America just wants Pakistan, like it wanted Libya and Iraq.

If you were in charge of Pakistan, would you not want a friendly government in Afghanistan? The Answer is a boolean.

Picture this scenario:
An unfriendly Afghanistan at one end, and an unfriendly India at the other. Pakistan would cry a river, if such was the case. Which is exactly why Pakistan is jumping up and down demanding a particular 'role' in the Afghan talks, to secure her imaginable future. Pakistan openly meddles in Afghan affairs, to secure a friendly nation. She openly sends terrorist to Afghanistan, to drive out the people she perceives as the "enemies". Pakistan is a well-known hub of terrorism, most of the terrorism plots have their roots in Pakistan. Terrorism for Pakistan, mixed with Islam, is an amazing foreign policy at work. Nonetheless, the people of Pakistan are polar opposite when compared to it's corrupt government. I, for the most part, sympathize with the 'awam'.

[کیش]

Texas in the 1800's is a good example. Texas didn't have a mark border, and used to have six flags raised in one time (that is where the theme park got it's name).

Supporting the Taliban is not only ruining their Afghan friendships, but the world. Why would Pakistan risk being invaded (which it does have a chance, in the near future), by their support of the Taliban?

Maybe it's wishful thinking by me, or Pakistan isnt smart.