'Secret Pakistan' Exposed in BBC Documentary

[Afghanistan2010]

Im neither from the groups,because im from Afghanistan.
I agree with the insurgency on both side of the borders because its an islamic uprising as i like the uprising in iraq against imprialists and the same for the yemenit tribes fighting the saudi royal family and the apostate state of yemen(yemeni government).

there are dozens of different people around here.

as Mullah Umar ( khuday de hifozat wakari) himself said regarding differen groups even among the mujahideen in the 90s : Biyale Biyale Mujahideen jabehe biyal pakara larri ow dasse nashee kedai che zaher shah rashi ow hokmat waki.

[Talal]

Interesting possibility, though in truth, I had to read paragraph 4 a few times to figure out exactly who was supposed to hate whom, blah, blah.

What about if we extend this logic.

Group C are Pakistanis who support the Taliban and want full Talibanization of Pakistan, because after all Pakistan is a Muslim country to be distinguished from India.

Group D are Pakistani liberals for whom religion doesn't matter and they see themselves as no different to India.

Group E are Pakistanis who support the Taliban but don't want Talibanization in Pakistan. It is only good for Pashtoons or Afghanistan.

Who is right?

None of them are right, but to be very fair Group E is the dominant majority..because to them this strategy makes most sense why ? because

a) They see taliban as an effective counter to india and its true as long as the taliban are there on the stage, no matter how much financial & diplomatic overtures india makes..it will always be checkmate for them

b) They see taliban as fighting a righteous war against the US

c) They see taliban as somewhat of a stopgap measure to the local breed of taliban whereas by NOT extending the TTP their full support the TTA ( Tehrik Taliban Afghanistan (sic) ) actually help Pakistan..if Pakistan were to turn against the Afghan Taliban it would be a nightmare for the army to handle all that

lets see how far this goes, who knows maybe the general elections that are coming up may change things

[tor_khan]

^ ... And therefore Pashtoons who see the hypocrisy of Pakistan find no reason to show the Taliban as representatives of themselves. There isn't the intellectual stomach to accept Pakistan's version of Muslim brotherhood because they want a different standard for the Pashtoons. That kind of hypocrisy is not on.

[Talal]

^ ... And therefore Pashtoons who see the hypocrisy of Pakistan find no reason to show the Taliban as representatives of themselves. There isn't the intellectual stomach to accept Pakistan's version of Muslim brotherhood because they want a different standard for the Pashtoons. That kind of hypocrisy is not on.

and thats been my point, how many see this as hypocrisy? and how many see this as you scratch our back we scratch yours...Tor_Khan the strategy of a guerilla war is that it doesn't matter who backs u up and to what end, as long as your goals are achieved and that is why the majority of pashtuns don't really see this as hypocrisy because if they did they couldn't have been able to show such overwhelming support for the Taliban ..which again brings us to square one, it all comes down to our societies and how lost they are right now

[tor_khan]

The second part of what I said, is that the "intellectual stomach" to accept Pakistan's version of Muslim Brotherhood wasn't there. Clearly when Pashtoons are educated critical thinkers, they see this anomaly than if they are kept in darkness. Pakistan has a poor track record of investing in educating Pashtoons because of the very danger that the status quo might be challenged.

[ScimitarXEdge]

but Tor Khan, that begs the question; why would they want any segment of their populace educated in that case, as this would pose the same threats.

[Talal]

The second part of what I said, is that the "intellectual stomach" to accept Pakistan's version of Muslim Brotherhood wasn't there. Clearly when Pashtoons are educated critical thinkers, they see this anomaly than if they are kept in darkness. Pakistan has a poor track record of investing in educating Pashtoons because of the very danger that the status quo might be challenged.

again man you cant squarely blame this on Pakistan, lets suppose that Pakistan is the real culprit here, then how do you explain the fact that even worse conditions exist across the border where Pakistani government didn't dictate education policies..and dont say that we used taliban to destroy everything and dictate what was taught in schools, because we didnt..taliban came into play like two decades ago, pakistan about 60 something years..Afghanistan has been around for much longer than either of the two, wouldn't you say there should have been enough critical thinkers to safe guard against Pakistani brain waves before we got it in ?

To be very honest i dont think being critical thinkers would change anything or would have in the past

[Talal]

here's the documentary on youtube..OP update the links so people can view it easily...see tor_khan im already creating critical thinkers here

Secret Pakistan : Double Cross part 1/6 - YouTube

[graveyardofempires]

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too late mr talal
ive posted it already

http://www.pashtunforums.com/political-talk-11/secret-pakistan-double-cross-full-documentary-22151/

and you make it sound as pakistan is a legitimate child of the british raj but it isnt it is illegitimate.

[graveyardofempires]

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[graveyardofempires]

Mullah zaef ment pakistan is two faced,cuz thye had recognised taliban and than they handed him over to be imprisoned in gunatanamo bay.

[ScimitarXEdge]

then why was he mentioning that Pakistan would support Taliban, no matter what happens publicly? hehe

was that also about him?

[graveyardofempires]

^
you fail as always

now go and find yourself another imperialist propaganda.

[tor_khan]

but Tor Khan, that begs the question; why would they want any segment of their populace educated in that case, as this would pose the same threats.

Actually Scimitar, that is more or less true. And not just for Pakistan.

There's a difference between being literate and a critical thinker.

The feudals/military know this.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Actually Scimitar, that is more or less true. And not just for Pakistan.

There's a difference between being literate and a critical thinker.

The feudals/military know this.

No I'm not denying that aspect, but you seem to think this is geared specifically for Pashtuns. Yet I'm sure there is probably proportionately equal amounts of this exploitation even amongst rural Punjab.