Who Kills more? Taliban or NATO/ISAF

[KingKhan]

Look at this child, from a refugee camp in Kabul. Where is the US trying to win "hearts and minds"? Only thing they have brought is military offensives in their districts, which only makes their lives worse.

[Alchemist]

then would you agree that if a Taliban murders Muslim civilians he is actually worse than a kafir, because he is supposed to know better?

Supposed to ?

You forget that they haven't the same luxury as you have for getting an internet education on wikipedia.com to know what is right and wrong.

You do realize that you are talking about some pashtun men who have been raised in a war torn country and have known nothing but how to fight. They barely know the meaning of the Qur'an...and you are saying "they know better"? As a matter of fact ..even thouse "muslim civilians" don't know any better... and neither do you.

[kakargirl]

[QUOTE=Al Hanif;523853]So are all other Afghans for not fighting against the invaders.

[QUOTE]Wror people fail to mention the 100,000s of russian mines that still blow off childrens legs and kill them british speacial marines trained to remove mines just removed over 500 in sangin , alot of children , adults still die of russian left landmines its a big problem i saw a few women and children missing limbs or has lost some one due to the land mines,

[ScimitarXEdge]

So are all other Afghans for not fighting against the invaders. Why don't you criticize them ? 100% of the time, you criticize Talibans. But you never criticize the people who don't fight. That clearly shows your intention to use Sharia and Islam as a disguise to bash the mujahideens. You have been exposed. You are an evolutionnist. No need to go further. You are a munafiq and this is my last answer to you.

I criticize the Taliban because they oppose the Shari'ah; Evolutionary Theory does not oppose the Shari'ah because Muslim Scholars like Al-Jahiz and Al-Nazzam promoted evolution and the Ulama did not label there heretics

Here read for yourself from an Islamic Website
Salaam Knowledge

You are a munafiq and this is my last answer to you.

You said that before but you started replying back to me ; because you know my arguments are based on logic and Islamic Truths; so you started to get worried that the corruptions against Islam you're trying to propagate to misguide people will not work.

HAHAHAHA. SINCE WHEN SHIAS ARE MUSLIMS ?

They were always Muslims; in Islam someone is a Muslim as long as they testify That there Is No God but Allah, and Muhammad(saw) is his Messenger.
Fatwa (ruling) of Shaikh Mahmood Shaltoot



Here is a Fatwa from Al-Azhar , a Sunni Madrassa regarding the Shi'a being Muslims.

Head Office of al-Azhar University:

IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE BENEFICENT, THE MERCIFUL Text of the Verdict (Fatwa) Issued by His Excellency Shaikh al-Akbar Mahmood Shaltoot, Head of the al-Azhar University, on Permissibility of Following "al-Shia al-Imamiyyah" School of Thought

His Excellency was asked:

Some believe that, for a Muslim to have religiously correct worship and dealing, it is necessary to follow one of the four known schools of thought, whereas, "al-Shia al-Imamiyyah" school of thought is not one of them nor "al-Shia al-Zaidiyyah." Do your Excellency agree with this opinion, and prohibit following "al-Shia al-Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah" school of thought, for example?

His Excellency replied:

1) Islam does not require a Muslim to follow a particular Madh'hab (school of thought). Rather, we say: every Muslim has the right to follow one of the schools of thought which has been correctly narrated and its verdicts have been compiled in its books. And, everyone who is following such Madhahib [schools of thought] can transfer to another school, and there shall be no crime on him for doing so.

2) The Ja'fari school of thought, which is also known as "al-Shia al- Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah" (i.e., The Twelver Imami Shi'ites) is a school of thought that is religiously correct to follow in worship as are other Sunni schools of thought. Muslims must know this, and ought to refrain from unjust prejudice to any particular school of thought, since the religion of Allah and His Divine Law (Shari'ah) was never restricted to a particular school of thought. Their jurists (Mujtahidoon) are accepted by Almighty Allah, and it is permissible to the "non-Mujtahid" to follow them and to accord with their teaching whether in worship (Ibadaat) or transactions (Mu'amilaat).

Signed, Mahmood Shaltoot.

"However, the Taliban has not claimed responsibility for the incident."

Even if it was Talibans. A roadside bomb can be detonated by pressure. The aim was a US convoy, not civilians. Talibans have no interest into killing these people. You are a huge munafiq.

But they claimed responsibility for this

10 killed in Afghan city spearheading transition - CBS News

On Tuesday, a suicide bomber rammed an explosives-packed vehicle into a police truck in Lashkar Gah, killing two civilians. The Taliban claimed responsibility for that attack.

Your argument contradicts the Shari'ah because Nabi(saw) said

سم الله الرحمن الرحيم

عن ابن مسعود رضي الله عنه ، قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : ( لا يحل دم امرىء مسلم [ يشهد أن لا إله إلا الله ، وأني رسول الله ] إلا بـإحـدي ثـلاث : الـثـيـب الــزاني ، والـنـفـس بـالنفس ، والـتـارك لـد يـنـه الـمـفـارق للـجـمـاعـة ).
رواه البخاري [ رقم : 6878 ] ، ومسلم [ رقم : 1676 ]"

see it says la2 ya7al dam umriyah Muslim?


And also if they kill Muslims trying to kill Imperialists; this means they ignore the lives of Muslims; Muslims are supposed to protect Muslims; not attack until Muslims are safe, this is Shari'ah Law.

You are the munafiq. You never criticize people who don't fight against invaders. You believe in evolution. You have 0 credibility.

One can only be a munafiq if they contradict the SHari'ah; which you have done. You reject Islamic Laws, which means your argument about my credibility itself has no credibility

[ScimitarXEdge]

Supposed to ?

You forget that they haven't the same luxury as you have for getting an internet education on wikipedia.com to know what is right and wrong.

You do realize that you are talking about some pashtun men who have been raised in a war torn country and have known nothing but how to fight. They barely know the meaning of the Qur'an...and you are saying "they know better"? As a matter of fact ..even thouse "muslim civilians" don't know any better... and neither do you.

The Taliban have Madrassas where there are books which delineate the Rules and Laws of Islam.


They have access to resources which are far superior to anything the internet could provide when it comes to Islamic Knowledge.

And if you're saying the Tliban are ignorant of Islam and get the proper Islamic Education of what's correct in Islam; isn't that essentially discrediting the Taliban's claims of fighting for Islam ...and Establishing Shari'ah? Becuse you can't fight for Islam or Establish Shari'ah if you don't KNOW what it actually is.

So in your attempt to defend the Taliban, you discredited them

Good job moron

[ScimitarXEdge]

Yes if i was taliban and if i killed innocent muslim civilians then i am worst than a kifir as i should know better as i know what the quran says.

beautiful; you're sensible and won't merely be stubborn out of blind ego to defend your argument for pomp like The Massoud Supporter Alchemist does (you know Alchemist supports Ahmad Shah Masssoud?)

anyways I digress....so if you acknowledge that Taliban would be worst than kufar for killing Muslims; what excuse do they have for commiting suicide attacks which kill mainly civilians?

[ScimitarXEdge]

hahahhaaaaaa....

I diverted the topic?

LIAR. FRAUD.


You keep saying that others are munafiqs, I am reminding you that you are not on the right anyway... so you have no say either.

Don't wag your finger at the taliban for this or that reason. Go fix your own aqidah before you play out the religion card against a natural, native resistive force to the occupation.

But you sell Pork .....and indulge in many 7arram activities which you happily made harram money from .....and you have not repented it and given back the money you made from Your Harram dealings. If anyone's aqidah is wrong, it is yours


My Aqidah regards the Safety of Muslims as PARAMOUNT in any cause. Yours doesn't so it isn't I who needs to be set straight.

Natural resistive forces don't suicide bomb their own people lugnut

[ScimitarXEdge]

These guys think that 9/11 validates the occupation of Afghanistan...

let alone other false flag operations..

Prove that I have ever argued that NATO Imperialism is validated?

You're merely a conspiracy idiot

[ScimitarXEdge]

By the way Al Hanif , your friend Alchemist who you're cheering is a patron of Ahmad Shah Massoud, the man who was fighting the Taliban during the 1990's

and he owns a Subway Sub-Shop Fastfood restaurant which sells pork.

Notice the only people who re arguing for the Taliban are people who disobey the Laws of Allah(swt) themselves?



And Alchemist, your new pal thinks Shi'a are not Muslims

Alchemist is Shi'a Al Hanif, so since you hate Shi'a it might help you to know that

[ScimitarXEdge]

The Sunnah of Nabi(saw) is not a group. Sunnah means prophetic tradition.
Islam is not a group. Islam is a religion.

The Taliban is an ideology and a group; and people who follow Islam are a group called Muslimeen. The Taliban aren't following Islam, so they're not in this group.

So there are no muslims in Afghanistan

Of course there are Muslims in Afghanistan, and that's why they're against the Taliban, because Taliban contradict Islam.

Show me a better group than Talibans or shut your mouth once and for all.

I did I said Muslims is a better group, since Taliban are not followers of Shari'ah

[Al Hanif]

I said I wouldn't answer to you but since you are a funny munafiq. I'll answer to you, just to go deeper and to expose your bull****.

I criticize the Taliban because they oppose the Shari'ah; Evolutionary Theory does not oppose the Shari'ah because Muslim Scholars like Al-Jahiz and Al-Nazzam promoted evolution and the Ulama did not label there heretics

HAHAHA. Talibans do not oppose the Shari'ah because Scholars like Mollah Omar and Shaikh Usama Bin Laden promoted them and Ulamas did not label them as heretics.

If you think evolution is true, then you can distort anything in Islam and you can use Islam as a tool. Truly, you are a munafiq. There is no doubt about it. I double dare you to go to your local mosque and tell people evolution is true.

They were always Muslims; in Islam someone is a Muslim as long as they testify That there Is No God but Allah, and Muhammad(saw) is his Messenger.

So this is what you actually believe ? HAHAHAHAHAHA. Kadhafi is muslim, Salman Rushdie is muslim. Ayatollah Khomeyni is muslim. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is muslim. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You don't know **** about Islam. You are funny.

But they claimed responsibility for this

Really ? I am proud of them. Those "innocent muslims" are policemen, munafiqs like you, who help and fight with the kuffar. They deserve to be beheaded.

[khushal]

This whole war exists because of the occupation. Whatever evil is done is because of the occupation.

Scimitar, you have crossed the line of reason., War changes people, War makes people insane. You expect sanity in an insane environment. you are a fool.

Fool, the only place sanity can come from is from the people in washington who live comfortably and can think reasonably because they and there family are safe and tummies are full.

[کیش]

Mahmoud,

Whats your views on the Houti resistance in Yemen? al-awlaki? Syria? The Libyan rebels, other non-Afghan resistance?

[Al Hanif]

By the way Al Hanif , your friend Alchemist who you're cheering is a patron of Ahmad Shah Massoud, the man who was fighting the Taliban during the 1990's

and he owns a Subway Sub-Shop Fastfood restaurant which sells pork.

Notice the only people who re arguing for the Taliban are people who disobey the Laws of Allah(swt) themselves?



And Alchemist, your new pal thinks Shi'a are not Muslims

Alchemist is Shi'a Al Hanif, so since you hate Shi'a it might help you to know that

I don't care about what he thinks or what he believes in. It's not because Hitler says the sun is yellow that the sun is not yellow, just because Hitler is bad. There are westerner kuffars more honest than you. There are americans and canadians who support Talibans because they know what is right.

[kakargirl]

beautiful; you're sensible and won't merely be stubborn out of blind ego to defend your argument for pomp like The Massoud Supporter Alchemist does (you know Alchemist supports Ahmad Shah Masssoud?)

anyways I digress....so if you acknowledge that Taliban would be worst than kufar for killing Muslims; what excuse do they have for commiting suicide attacks which kill mainly civilians?

I grew up in islam i know what is what,now if its some of our elder women like my grandmother or my mother who really didn't know how to read quran now they only hear what is preached to them they can't read, so if i have knowledge and know the preaching of the quran.

As for taliban i already wrote my post when you lose your loved ones it pushes you off edge when your women get raped your children blown apart used as collectors items by kafirs , poverty your homes blown apart your world turned upside down , when you cant fight drones devils with high powered equipment when you see that your going to die anyway or your children will get murdered and your wifes will be raped by perverts in Government and Nato you lose it, when you have no hope left when all you can see is dark and no way out its been 11 years of hell you turn to suicide.


Alchemist wror is a great scholar i respect him dosn't matter what anyone calls i have high respect for him.