Who Kills more? Taliban or NATO/ISAF

[Al Hanif]

But See, we're Muslims so such an argument is a red herring.
, well I am Muslim, you're a Pork Selling, uneducated, closet homosexual woman hating hypocrite who's brainwashed by Saudi wahhabism.

I thought he was a shia. LOL You I knew you are completely crazy.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Catya Sher would you agree that if the Taliban deliberately attack a civilian populated area . just to get at a NATO convoy , knowing fully well that it would end up in the deaths of civilian Muslims

that this too is also devilish?

[Catya Sher]

Scimitar, they don't do that.
They never plan operations like that.
To which civilian area are you referring ? They attack on convoys
going through the desert or mountains.
For example, remember the video posted by GYE a long time ago
showing blazing trucks?
That's a very common style, I am sure.

Tor_khan - I was referring to you and others as Peaceniks -
look at your blog ! -

However, my reference to sold out to the Devil souls
had nothing to do with you personally.

Just to some of these naggy people like Maseed and his
many many imitators on PF.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I thought he was a shia. LOL You I knew you are completely crazy.

He says he's a Shi'a but he thinks like a wahhabi. so you're OK with him selling Pork? He owns a Subway Sandwich shop that sells pork products. Isn't that against the Shari'ah?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Scimitar, they don't do that.
They never plan operations like that.
To which civilian area are you referring ? They attack on convoys
going through the desert or mountains.
For example, remember the video posted by GYE a long time ago
showing blazing trucks?
That's a very common style, I am sure.

Tor_khan - I was referring to you and others as Peaceniks -
look at your blog ! -

However, my reference to sold out to the Devil souls
had nothing to do with you personally.

Just to some of these naggy people like Maseed and his
many many imitators on PF.

Catya you know this is untrue

Taliban kill head of Afghan girls' school | World news | The Guardian

they killed a teacher JUST for teaching women to read. Imagine if someone were claiming to be fighting for Islam and told you that you had no right to learn how to read and write?

Please don't make excuses for the Taliban; NATO being evil doesn't make Taliban are good. They can BOTH be evil, which they are.

[Alchemist]

Some people may get to that point of emotional exhaustion whereby they seemingly choose from two options. One would be a violent response, and one would be a peaceful response.

The Bacha Khan type of resistance is not about instant results. Whether we are going to call Bacha Khan a failure or not, what is acknowledged is that he drew his strength from Islam. He carried the Qu'ran on his person and and he was by all accounts a deeply committed Muslim. May Allah be pleased with him.

I haven't surveyed whether the majority of Pashtoons in Pakistan speak Pashto or not. You obviously appear to know something more and have presented it here as a fact, but that's beside the point. Bacha Khan's remaining friends were India and Afghanistan and his legacy - which I agree was watered down - haunted Pakistan and so it wasn't allowed to remain. Hence the organised deconstruction of everything he stood for.

As for the option of armed resistance. We Pashtoons have done that and it has paid off so there's merit in that argument too. However, few would choose war as their first option. Did the Americans/NATO wreck the chance of a lasting peace by their invasion of Afghanistan? Yes. They absolutely made a mess and people are justifiably angry. To that extent I completely understand why there is an insurgency/resistance.

What has happened over the recent past is that our cause has been hijacked by others and we appear not be serving interests that benefit ourselves. Just look at the quality of life of Pashtoons in Afghanistan or in Pakistan. For more than thirty years we've been at war. With that many dead, wounded and damaged sons and daughters and with entire families/villages displaced, we're a traumatised and easily exploited people. Our emotions are easily manipulated.

We also have to be clear about our objectives. Is this an all-out Jihad between Muslims and non-Muslims? Or between some Muslims and some non-Muslims? If there is an option for peace, would you take it? Or if we are prepared to engage in an epic fight till the last man is standing? In that case forget your non-Pashto speaking Pashtoons in Pakistan, there will no Pashtoons to speak of.

At the moment, the future appears mixed, and at its worst rather bleak. Allah knows best and may Allah protect us all.

The Holy Prophet peace be upon him had 6 swords, 7 lances and three bows and a shield and armour.
So do you and did Bacha Khan have any weapons?

I am just saying ... if you people are saying that you are following the example of the Prophet peace be upon him, then how come you haven't been in battle in all your life? Even though you know jihad is fardz.

Scimitar will never make this type of argument because he is a coward who is afraid of the white van parked outside his house.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Taliban admit they do it themselves, is that also propaganda ...did the US make the Taliban say that/

[khushal]

Catya you know this is untrue

Taliban kill head of Afghan girls' school | World news | The Guardian

they killed a teacher JUST for teaching women to read. Imagine if someone were claiming to be fighting for Islam and told you that you had no right to learn how to read and write?

Please don't make excuses for the Taliban; NATO being evil doesn't make Taliban are good. They can BOTH be evil, which they are.

The whole girl school banning and preventing has more to do with pakhto culture. This is nothing new, they did it during the soviet war and also before it. That makes the resistance against the soviets invalid and also against the british.

[Alchemist]

Look at this fraud's response...

first of all [EDITED] ...I am not selling pork. Secondly, they are not deliberately killing civilians - muslim or otherwise.

What your twisted and evil mind doesn't understand is that you are a house [EDITED}. You will never understand why the niggas outside have been driven so crazy they can't care about what is good and what is evil...all they know is that they have to kill to free themselves.

You are this idiot:



You know your education is fake. The program you are in is useless...and a dead end. And you know if you die tomorrow hardly anyone would notice you are gone...but you are happy with the virtual character you have created here...where you are a sword that "mentally brutalizes" his opponents.

The Taliban are Afghans who have lost family. Your degree doesn't mean much to them over there. If you go to Afghanistan ...and most likely you never will...you will feel useless and out of place. Because you are an american kid who grew up on heavy metal and atari. You cannot understand their desperation and their animism and their attitude to the presence of foreigners. This isn't the same taliban of 1994...and you don't seem to understand. Some of the resistance fighters are defectors from the ANA who became disillusioned.


Yes, suicide is haram. But is martyrdom haram? And where does one end and the other begin? How many suicide bombings do they conduct and how many raids and how many IED attacks? What's the ratio? Do you know? Are you going to throw the baby out with the bath water? And who knows? You aren't there to keep track of the 200,000 mercenaries that are camouflaged as afghans. What would be the logic for an Afghan to kill his own? You are stupid for actually believing that the resistance fighters are deliberately killing locals when you know that they need the support of the locals to survive ...obviously its the occupiers who win the most. And for you to come here and make it a 5 hour a day mission to post ant-taliban propaganda...you help the cause of the imperialist. Because no one stands in their way except for the Taliban...they are the natural resistance to the occupation...and you said it your self. But because you are a self contradicting [EDITED] who is too high off himself..you don't want to admit fault....for pride's sake.

[khushal]

Some people may get to that point of emotional exhaustion whereby they seemingly choose from two options. One would be a violent response, and one would be a peaceful response.

The Bacha Khan type of resistance is not about instant results. Whether we are going to call Bacha Khan a failure or not, what is acknowledged is that he drew his strength from Islam. He carried the Qu'ran on his person and and he was by all accounts a deeply committed Muslim. May Allah be pleased with him.

I haven't surveyed whether the majority of Pashtoons in Pakistan speak Pashto or not. You obviously appear to know something more and have presented it here as a fact, but that's beside the point. Bacha Khan's remaining friends were India and Afghanistan and his legacy - which I agree was watered down - haunted Pakistan and so it wasn't allowed to remain. Hence the organised deconstruction of everything he stood for.

As for the option of armed resistance. We Pashtoons have done that and it has paid off so there's merit in that argument too. However, few would choose war as their first option. Did the Americans/NATO wreck the chance of a lasting peace by their invasion of Afghanistan? Yes. They absolutely made a mess and people are justifiably angry. To that extent I completely understand why there is an insurgency/resistance.

What has happened over the recent past is that our cause has been hijacked by others and we appear not be serving interests that benefit ourselves. Just look at the quality of life of Pashtoons in Afghanistan or in Pakistan. For more than thirty years we've been at war. With that many dead, wounded and damaged sons and daughters and with entire families/villages displaced, we're a traumatised and easily exploited people. Our emotions are easily manipulated.

We also have to be clear about our objectives. Is this an all-out Jihad between Muslims and non-Muslims? Or between some Muslims and some non-Muslims? If there is an option for peace, would you take it? Or if we are prepared to engage in an epic fight till the last man is standing? In that case forget your non-Pashto speaking Pashtoons in Pakistan, there will no Pashtoons to speak of.

At the moment, the future appears mixed, and at its worst rather bleak. Allah knows best and may Allah protect us all.

Its all about the structure of our society. The objective is to build a modern nation, something the pashtun have never really experienced except in KP. how can you build a nation with independent tribes without violence. If you want to tear down the independence of the tribes, you have to expect violence and destruction.

[ScimitarXEdge]

oh yeah? but it is NATO or NATO affiliated sources that say they "screen captured" it

so if there is direct proof show it to us now. This should be easy.

you are using a NATO source to exonerate the Taliban, when the same NATO sources further incriminate the Taliban

You can't hve it both wys; if you accept NATO sources in one instances then the other instance applies too

No special pleading ..Pork Selling Homosexual

[ScimitarXEdge]

LOL @ KHanziri using Western popular culture Films to support his argument that the Taliban's crimes are all a conspiracy; when the Taliban banned films and movies

can we see any bigger example of a hypocrite thn that?

and the irony he uses the Pakistani Narrative; that the Taliban are merely "Afghans who lost family" members; when most of said family members died in suicide blasts committed BY the Taliban, which the TALIBAN take credit for. And the Taliban leadership sit comfortably in Quetta, away from harm and the despair of the hard life of the average Muslim in Afghanistan.

is there any wonder why someone who owns a Harram Fastfood restaurant would support similar hypocrites?

[Alchemist]

And who are you exonerating? NATO?

You jerkaholic fatass... lol

basically you are making the argument that NATO is exonerating and incriminating
Taliban.

You are trying too hard to stretch it to mean that I am a hypocrite.
Think before you type ..dumbass...

[Alchemist]

Its all about the structure of our society. The objective is to build a modern nation, something the pashtun have never really experienced except in KP. how can you build a nation with independent tribes without violence. If you want to tear down the independence of the tribes, you have to expect violence and destruction.

khyber pakhtunkhwa is modern?


well thats news to me..

[کیش]

Scimitar

I asked you some questions yesterday, perhaps you missed it.

I said:

What are your views on the Houti's? The other movements of Yemen. al-Awlaki, Chechnya? Any other place where Muslims are fighting against non-Muslims? Do you support any, but just not anything from Afg/Pak?