Who Kills more? Taliban or NATO/ISAF

[Alchemist]

For that we need to have a look at the military doctrine of the NATO, of that of all of their member states, their foreign and development policies etc.

From my point of view, NATO realized that this conflict can´t be won military in 2006, three years after the real insurgency had begun in 2003.

Their aim is to create a state with a functioning security apparatus that doesn´t fall apart after they leave and make Afghanistan an arena for proxy wars of the regional powers.

But Afghanistan hasn´t reached that level where it is seen on eye-level by it´s neighbours.

I think NATO is not interested that the central government gets weak or the people lose hope in the government´s ability.

The huge impact of suicide bombings on the mood of a sociaty that longs for progress, education and stability after 30 years of war isn´t benefeting the NATO because it delays the departure of their armed forces. The US will stay with a small contigent but those states can´t afford those multi-billion dollar costing campaigns.

The Taliban or the Quetta Shura are people with multiple interests and not all are known to me. I think that their ideological basis of political Islam and the misuse of Islamic motivated violence nutured by the Pakistani establishment have a common ground to neutralize nationalist movements in Kashmir, Pakhtunkhwa and Afghanistan.
They are used in a proxy war to destabelize Afghanistan.
That was the case since the Islamic movements fled Afghanistan in the early 70´s under Daoud.

Everyone was an ordinary guy at some time, Alchimist. But it´s hard to pin-point the exact date where you cease to be an "ordinary guy" and transform into an ideologically driven person with an agenda.

And I can´t answer your last question.
A muslim should always go the middle path, that´s what I was taught.
Detonating a bomb, killing other poor and innocent people because my own poor and innocent family was bombed doesn´t makes much sense to me.
I haven´t reached that nihilistic point in my life and hopefully will never do.

Well so much for your military education...

Basically, you just copy pasted from NATO's website what their objectives are.

Sad...

that after 10 years of occupation...longer than the Russian occupation... you still think that NATO has had the intention to leave since day 1.

[KingKhan]

US spends $100 Million dollars a day fighting the Taliban. Yet the country is in rampant poverty. If they wants to "win the hearts and minds" they would do more for the needy, and not kill/capture.

[Alchemist]

I hope everybody hasn't forgotten about the Gulf Of Tonkin, that started the Vietnam was fake. The North Vietnamese didn't destroy the US vessel, it has been confirmed by the US way after the war ended.

These guys think that 9/11 validates the occupation of Afghanistan...

let alone other false flag operations..

[ScimitarXEdge]

You have uttered blatant lies about clear passages of the Qur'an...Mr. Heretic.

Don't wag your finger at anyone else...go fix your own aqidah first ...Mr.Apeman. Mr. Agnostic-Theist.

No I haven't what I posted was from the Tafsir Al-Jalalayn. Go click the link.

By the way do you speak Arabic? You claimed your family speaks Arabic ...mind if I show you some things in arabic?

[kakargirl]

Agreed, but we're talking about total numbers

do you agree that just because NATO murders civilians, doesn't mean that Taliban murdering civilians is acceptable.?

I don't believe in any unjust killing of innocent people.

What turns a person into a taliban, well reason people are joining taliban when their families have been wiped out ,nothing to live for, their world is over what do they care if anyone lives or not for them the qiyamath is here.

They will resort to anything to get revenge.

Human pain takes over just like in UK the EDL are the family and friends of the dead soldiers they want asians dead cleared out its all revenge pain , same goes for anyone else if they suffered by taliban they will want to revenge the taliban, so its a human thing.

[Alchemist]

No I haven't what I posted was from the Tafsir Al-Jalalayn. Go click the link.

By the way do you speak Arabic? You claimed your family speaks Arabic ...mind if I show you some things in arabic?

Yeah you have ... you douchebag.


You deny miracles of the Prophets.

You deny Isra and Miraj happened. You deny that the Holy Prophet peace be upon was physically taken to the heavens. You deny that Adam and Hawa existed in flesh and were real human beings. You deny that Allah created man from teen (mud) and fashioned him and made from Adam, Hawa. You deny that Isa ibn maryam was born to a virgin mother and spoke in the cradle.

My family speaks arabic? Yeah, I lived half of my life in an arabic country but I didn't have an arabic education...but hey...neither have you. Go ahead son. Show me. By the way...what happened to that bio expert you were going to invite over? Douchebag... empty words and all posturing... "mentally brutalized you" LOL ..."swordboy" is on the move. Watch out everyone.

[Al Hanif]

Yeah you have ... you douchebag.


You deny miracles of the Prophets.

You deny Isra and Miraj happened. You deny that the Holy Prophet peace be upon was physically taken to the heavens. You deny that Adam and Hawa existed in flesh and were real human beings. You deny that Allah created man from teen (mud) and fashioned him and made from Adam, Hawa. You deny that Isa ibn maryam was born to a virgin mother and spoke in the cradle.

My family speaks arabic? Yeah, I lived half of my life in an arabic country but I didn't have an arabic education...but hey...neither have you. Go ahead son. Show me. By the way...what happened to that bio expert you were going to invite over? Douchebag... empty words and all posturing... "mentally brutalized you" LOL ..."swordboy" is on the move. Watch out everyone.

Thanks. This explains a lot of things.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I don't care about what the kuffar says. Their intentions are materialistic : money, power, pride, fame... Taliban's intentions are to please Allah SWT by implementing his laws and fighting the mushrik invaders as He ordained the muslims. How dare you comparing them ? You must be a munafiq to have such point of views.

The Talibn contradict the Laws of Allah(swt) by doing suicide bombing that kill other Muslims; which shows their intentions are not for Shari'ah but using Islam and Shari'ah as a disguise.

It's ok to fight Mushrikeen but only the Halal way

No, it does not. First you have to show me a proof that the people Talibans killed were actually muslims.

What are you saying? Afghanistan is a Muslim country; of course they were Muslims. You have to prove they were not Muslims; not the other way around

Remember Press TV Is a Muslim source.
Afghan officials say a roadside bomb explosion has killed 9 Afghan civilians, including 5 children, in the northwestern province of Faryab, Press TV reports.


Local officials said on Saturday that the bomb went off in the Ghormach district of Faryab province on Friday, a Press TV correspondent reported.

PressTV - 9 Afghans killed by roadside bomb

Then you have to show me that they did it intentionnally. Because if I kill a man with my car in an accident, it is not a murder, it is an accident.

That's a bad analogy; because when you're driving a car your goal is to driive your car so if you kill someone accidentally that is because your were trying to drive safely but something outside of your power happened.

But if you go and do a suicide attack where a bunch of Muslim civilians are; then you're intentionally neglecting their lives, and their for deliberately killing them.

And finally, you have to follow what Allah says and go kill invaders to be credible. Because if Talibans are bad for killing muslims and contradicting sharia, you are also bad for not fighting against the invaders.

Then why aren't you there right now instead of trying to defend the Munafiqeen who violate Shari'ah?

If Talibans are bad, then so are you for the same reasons. So I have no reason to trust your opinion. You are not a Shaykh, you just use hadiths out of context to support your blatant lies.

OK then here are Shayukh who say taliban are bad

Islamic scholars castigate Taliban
Islamic scholars castigate Taliban

Islamic scholars castigate Taliban

Gulf News/May 18, 2009

By Fasihur Rehman Khan

Islamabad: A gathering of religious scholars has deemed suicide attacks as opposing Islamic teachings and rejected the Taliban-style harsh punishments as inhuman, illegal, and against Sharia.

"We reject the Taliban code of so-called Islamic law which was being imposed at gunpoint, and demand the government to restore peace and normalcy in the troubled Swat region, while completing the ongoing military operation to attain maximum results," the congregation held in Pakistan capital Islamabad said through a resolution.

you just use hadiths out of context to support your blatant lies

Prove that I took it out of context

No. Talibans are fighting kuffars, not muslims. Muslims are the victims of American invasion, not of Talibans.

No , Muslims are oppressed by BOTH the Taliban and the Imperialists, where does it say in the Shari'ah that Muslims can kill Muslims when fighting the Kuffar?

[kakargirl]

Look at how clever Nato is dropping beats that video not guns gye wror loaded concert in kabul , so basically whiles the west produces killing machines bombs trains their men to kill ect, they want muslims to be dropping beats and not pick up guns or produce any defense for their countries,they want to make sure their defenseless so they can wipe them out easy when the world has too much population and load needs to be decreased, OUR GREAT AHMAD BABA fought against them resisted them so i think if AHMAD SHAH BABA was alive he would be called TALIBAN cos he would be resisting, or am i wrong if i'm wrong please correct me.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Thanks. This explains a lot of things.

Let's talk in arabic al Hanif ..... I will private message you so we won't have interference

[ScimitarXEdge]

Yeah you have ... you douchebag.


You deny miracles of the Prophets.

You deny Isra and Miraj happened. You deny that the Holy Prophet peace be upon was physically taken to the heavens. You deny that Adam and Hawa existed in flesh and were real human beings. You deny that Allah created man from teen (mud) and fashioned him and made from Adam, Hawa. You deny that Isa ibn maryam was born to a virgin mother and spoke in the cradle.

My family speaks arabic? Yeah, I lived half of my life in an arabic country but I didn't have an arabic education...but hey...neither have you. Go ahead son. Show me. By the way...what happened to that bio expert you were going to invite over? Douchebag... empty words and all posturing... "mentally brutalized you" LOL ..."swordboy" is on the move. Watch out everyone.

Stop trying to divert the topic



You own a Fastfood shop that sells Pork to Kufar and participate in their commercialistic capitalistic ventures which fuel and propagate the wars they wage; and you do so willfully; you're the biggest hypocrite there is. You accuse me of denying the Qur'an; but you yourself REJECT Islam on it's most fundamental level. Yet you feel no conscience about defending the Taliban who murder other Muslims and claim to fight NATO to do it? Fraud much?

[ScimitarXEdge]

I don't believe in any unjust killing of innocent people.

What turns a person into a taliban, well reason people are joining taliban when their families have been wiped out ,nothing to live for, their world is over what do they care if anyone lives or not for them the qiyamath is here.

then would you agree that if a Taliban murders Muslim civilians he is actually worse than a kafir, because he is supposed to know better?

[Al Hanif]

The Taliban contradict the Laws of Allah(swt) by doing suicide bombing that kill other Muslims; which shows their intentions are not for Shari'ah but using Islam and Shari'ah as a disguise.

So are all other Afghans for not fighting against the invaders. Why don't you criticize them ? 100% of the time, you criticize Talibans. But you never criticize the people who don't fight. That clearly shows your intention to use Sharia and Islam as a disguise to bash the mujahideens. You have been exposed. You are an evolutionnist. No need to go further. You are a munafiq and this is my last answer to you.

Remember Press TV Is a Muslim source.

HAHAHAHA. SINCE WHEN SHIAS ARE MUSLIMS ?

Afghan officials say a roadside bomb explosion has killed 9 Afghan civilians, including 5 children, in the northwestern province of Faryab, Press TV reports.


Local officials said on Saturday that the bomb went off in the Ghormach district of Faryab province on Friday, a Press TV correspondent reported.

"However, the Taliban has not claimed responsibility for the incident."


Even if it was Talibans. A roadside bomb can be detonated by pressure. The aim was a US convoy, not civilians. Talibans have no interest into killing these people. You are a huge munafiq.

Then why aren't you there right now instead of trying to follow the Munafiqeen who violate Shari'ah?

You are the munafiq. You never criticize people who don't fight against invaders. You believe in evolution. You have 0 credibility.

[Alchemist]

hahahhaaaaaa....

I diverted the topic?

LIAR. FRAUD.


You keep saying that others are munafiqs, I am reminding you that you are not on the right anyway... so you have no say either.

Don't wag your finger at the taliban for this or that reason. Go fix your own aqidah before you play out the religion card against a natural, native resistive force to the occupation.

[kakargirl]

then would you agree that if a Taliban murders Muslim civilians he is actually worse than a kafir, because he is supposed to know better?

Yes if i was taliban and if i killed innocent muslim civilians then i am worst than a kifir as i should know better as i know what the quran says.