Message Of Felicitation Of The Esteemed Amir-Ul-Momineen On The Occasion Of Eid-Ul-F

[Afghanistan2010]

Hekmatyar is a small fish nowadays , his men are not more than some hundreds.

Most of the soldiers from islam in pakistan and afghanistan have sworen allegience to the Amir Mullah Omar (hz).

It is just these theories , ttp works for india,mossad,cia,probably afghan intel.
and islamic emirate of afghanistan for isi,india , even US ?

lol i have to laugh over these theories really funny,how mind can make stories.

[Catya Sher]

^ Is this true about Gulbuddin having fairly small numbers of supporters?

Where is Ismail khan now, anybody know?
I was just remembering his role in the anti-Soviet jihad
where he was a truly respected leader.
There was also the famous Zabiullah from Mazar area who was killed,
but he and Ismail Khan were the 2 most famous resisstance
leaders outside of the Pashtun provinces.

If anyone finds information about either of these 2 questinos,
please post updates on perhaps a new thread.

Thank you, faye, for the support re
the completely Fake Event of Sept 2001.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Hekmatyar is a small fish nowadays , his men are not more than some hundreds.

Most of the soldiers from islam in pakistan and afghanistan have sworen allegience to the Amir Mullah Omar (hz).

It is just these theories , ttp works for india,mossad,cia,probably afghan intel.
and islamic emirate of afghanistan for isi,india , even US ?

lol i have to laugh over these theories really funny,how mind can make stories.

Maulavi Noor ul Aziz Pt 1/2 - YouTube

http://english.cntv.cn/program/newsupdate/20110806/103280.shtml

Noor Ul Aziz, Taliban Defector, said, "We got most of our weapons and training in Pakistan. Last year we got a shipment of 500 heavy machine guns from Iran. And now I realize what kind of a dirty game our neighbours are playing here in Afghanistan."

Aziz describes life of an insurgent as being hunted by forces from over 40 countries.

Noor Ul Aziz, Taliban Defector, said, "Life was very tough. We spent days without proper food, and changed safe houses several times every night, in fear of American drones targeting us. "
Four months ago, after spending most of his life fighting Aziz, was approached by a government official in a conciliatory move.

Noor Ul Aziz, Taliban Defector, said, "How do you view my martyrs? He said, your martyrs are like my flesh and blood. Your prisoners are like my brothers, and we will release them. We are brothers, we shouldn't be killing each other."

[khushal]

Four months ago, after spending most of his life fighting Aziz, was approached by a government official in a conciliatory move.

Noor Ul Aziz, Taliban Defector, said, "How do you view my martyrs? He said, your martyrs are like my flesh and blood. Your prisoners are like my brothers, and we will release them. We are brothers, we shouldn't be killing each other."

This statement describes the Afghan official as a saint and those resisting against occupation as stooges. This is the common pitchline of the Afghan Government. but action speaks louder than words. Thier words need to backed up by behavior.

[khushal]

Hekmatyar is a small fish nowadays , his men are not more than some hundreds.
.

Helmatyar group has many people in the government. they have a legal political wing and an illigal armed wing. They have adapted to the new environment by trying to work within the Afghan government as well as armed opposition to NATO.

[khushal]

In my understanding they're gulllble tools in part and a scapegoat by the Pakistani Military to say "hey look we have Talib problems too". the equipment used and soldiers fighting are generally Pakhtuns from the same region, their lives are expendable and American AID can funnel new equipment. Furthermore they outsource fighting to tribal militias, again to them Pakhtun lives are expendable. very cheap.

and voila Pakistani Taliban

Your trying to come up with a very complex conspiracy theory that fits in with the line that the Taliban are directly controlled by the ISI. Even the Pentagon dismisses this. Your conspiracy theory goes against the ISI doctrine whose mission is to prevent being bogged down in a two front war. The ISI has no choice but to support the Taliban to curb Indian interests on its Western border. The Taliban are the only ones that can deliver this prize to the ISI. At the same time, the Taliban receive financial support from the Sunni Arabs because it is the Taliban that can deliver the Sunni arabs its prize which is to curb Iranian interests.

This conspiracy theory of yours goes completely against the ISI doctrine. The ISI wants a strong stable Pakistan, not a weak chaotic unstable Pakistan. The TTP aids instablilty in Pakistan. The US presence aids instability in Pakistan. The Pakistani Government is desperate for USAID but at the same time wants the US presence out because their country is on the verge of collapse because of it. The Pakistani government does not need to create the TTP as an excuse to get USAID, they would get USAID regardless. they would actually receive more AID if they could keep Pakistan stable. The TTP could easily be an excuse for US intervention in Pakistan which the ISI fears could become a reality which would further demoralize the PAK military institution bringing Pakistan closer to collapse. This is far more trickier than the conspiracy theory you have described.

[ScimitarXEdge]

This statement describes the Afghan official as a saint and those resisting against occupation as stooges. This is the common pitchline of the Afghan Government. but action speaks louder than words. Thier words need to backed up by behavior.

Not at all, it describes those who are slaves of Pakistan as stooges, i.e. the Taliban and those who want to avoid the deaths of Afghan lives as saints

[ScimitarXEdge]

Your trying to come up with a very complex conspiracy theory that fits in with the line that the Taliban are directly controlled by the ISI. Even the Pentagon dismisses this. Your conspiracy theory goes against the ISI doctrine whose mission is to prevent being bogged down in a two front war. The ISI has no choice but to support the Taliban to curb Indian interests on its Western border. The Taliban are the only ones that can deliver this prize to the ISI. At the same time, the Taliban receive financial support from the Sunni Arabs because it is the Taliban that can deliver the Sunni arabs its prize which is to curb Iranian interests.

This conspiracy theory of yours goes completely against the ISI doctrine. The ISI wants a strong stable Pakistan, not a weak chaotic unstable Pakistan. The TTP aids instablilty in Pakistan. The US presence aids instability in Pakistan. The Pakistani Government is desperate for USAID but at the same time wants the US presence out because their country is on the verge of collapse because of it. The Pakistani government does not need to create the TTP as an excuse to get USAID, they would get USAID regardless. they would actually receive more AID if they could keep Pakistan stable. The TTP could easily be an excuse for US intervention in Pakistan which the ISI fears could become a reality which would further demoralize the PAK military institution bringing Pakistan closer to collapse. This is far more trickier than the conspiracy theory you have described.

yeah so complex you had to write a 2 paragraph rebuttal to my two sentences with an even more cumbersome conspiracy theory. Even though my statement wasn't actually a conspiracy theory, but an explanation for BarakzaiAbdali but whatever.

[khushal]

This man is 100 times more war hawkish than you claim Ahmed Rashid is



What is obvious is Scheuer's vantage point isnt of a reluctant soldier, but rather a soldier fed up that his upper ranks dont have the balls to man up and exterminate the enemy and anyone loosely tied to the enemy with merciless wrath,

(Take heed Ashraf, this is the Michael Scheuer your disgusting Pakistani Slave self were blindly praising, another example of how blindly you attach yourself to ANYONE or anything you can use to serve Pakistan.)

Mike Scheuer is an American patriot. His goal is to ensure the survival of America on a moral high ground. I dont think he is a soldier fed up with his upper ranks because they refuse to exterminate people. I think he is saying that the American military has been reduced to a military that is incapable of defeating its enemy which will eventually lead to mass killing of people and civilians. He advises that intervention is dangerous because it will lead to this dangerous and immoral road. And he know s the enemy exists in the first place is because of intervention.
One can argue that intervention exists because the US relies on Middle eastern Energy resouces, and the beat goes on.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Mike Scheuer is an American patriot. His goal is to ensure the survival of America on a moral high ground. I dont think he is a soldier fed up with his upper ranks because they refuse to exterminate people. I think he is saying that the American military has been reduced to a military that is incapable of defeating its enemy which will eventually lead to mass killing of people and civilians. He advises that intervention is dangerous because it will lead to this dangerous and immoral road. And he know s the enemy exists in the first place is because of intervention.
One can argue that intervention exists because the US relies on Middle eastern Energy resouces, and the beat goes on.

"I think I think I think"

I'm responding to Barakzaiabdali's analogy of the "reluctant soldier". I understand what Scheuer is saying, but he's not saying that because he cares for Afghan lives, he's saying that because America won't engaged in scorched Earth tactics which he feels would be the only option he'd support to win a war.

One could argue that There would be no war in Afghanistan if there were no Taliban but the beat goes on.

[Alchemist]

^ There would be no war if your ugly face got some friends and you stopped hanging out here so much ...

[faye]

apparently rumsfeld was the reason for what is considered 'poor militarism' in iraq and afghanistan. he chose only yay sayers to work with him and enforced his own, 'minimal soldiers' approach to the invasions.

[ScimitarXEdge]

^ There would be no war if your ugly face got some friends and you stopped hanging out here so much ...

See it is this high schoolish psychology which is why I'm getting an education and you're slaving away serving pork to the infidel .....yeah we know how respected fast food employees are in the community lol

[faye]

do people here think that the rissoles in the afghan government and the taliban will create war with each other, when/if the invaders leave or will the thieves and traitors move to their beachside villas in dubai?

[khushal]

"I think I think I think"

I'm responding to Barakzaiabdali's analogy of the "reluctant soldier". I understand what Scheuer is saying, but he's not saying that because he cares for Afghan lives, he's saying that because America won't engaged in scorched Earth tactics which he feels would be the only option he'd support to win a war.

One could argue that There would be no war in Afghanistan if there were no Taliban but the beat goes on.

calm down.
Ofcourse he does not care about afghan lives, he cares about america. he is saying america should pull out, and if america does not pull out then the american people should be prepared for the scorched earth tactic because eventually it would lead to that road.

If there were no Taliban, there would be a different reaction to the occupation, it would still be violent.