Message Of Felicitation Of The Esteemed Amir-Ul-Momineen On The Occasion Of Eid-Ul-F

[Alchemist]

Actually Taliban take credit for the suicide bombs
Kandahar’s mayor killed in suicide attack - The Washington Post


stop grasping.

Yeah...ok there douche bag.

We are suppose to believe that the Washington post has a direct line of contact with the cave dwelling talibs?

Let me guess, it was taliban spokes man, the elusive, Qari Yusuf.

Did you ever stop to think that CENTCOM and the pentagon can't "triangulate" the signal of these "talibans" but how the CNN can?

What's wrong with you?

Oh yeah... you are brainwashed.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Yeah...ok there douche bag.

We are suppose to believe that the Washington post has a direct line of contact with the cave dwelling talibs?

Let me guess, it was taliban spokes man, the elusive, Qari Yusuf.

Did you ever stop to think that CENTCOM and the pentagon can't "triangulate" the signal of these "talibans" but how the CNN can?

What's wrong with you?

Oh yeah... you are brainwashed.

So basically your counter argument is conspiracy theorist babble. and yet somehow you can pin something on Ismail Khan from a website that "alleges"

I love how your resources are so concrete even if they're guesses, but direct confessions from Taliban are suspect under the Zionist Mass Conspiracy.

why do you want to defend the Talibs anyways, aren't you a Massoud fag?

[Alchemist]

No, the only fag here is you ...

all day long you sit your fat ass on the computer and type whatever you read on the net just to feel smart cos in real life you haven't done anything of value and are of no use to no one.

You are a fag that get's no love. The worst kind.

The point I was trying to get across your shiny bald head was that all the information you gleam over the net is suspicious. Just because I quote one site that alleges one thing, doesn't mean that where you are quoting is any more legit. And that is your problem, douche bag. That you go by "titles" and "labels". If it's the washington post, you are willing to believe it...if its some obscure site you are not so sure. But there isn't much difference between either. "Allegedly" the taliban have also gone into negotiations..."allegedly" foreign mercenaries who are fluent in pashto have been caught attempting to commit suicide... go watch the Afghan media and you ll know of this. Your only source is western outlets. You have zero contacts with Afghans in Afghanistan, and or Afghan media.
Barakzai tried to educate your Neanderthal ass by asking if you thought all the taliban were just one ..then you acted like a douche bag and tried to educate him on your half ass opinion. You keep trying to present a black and white narrative as if you know whats up ...truth is ...you don't know jack... and I am sick of your know-it-all attitude and I pray to God you take a vacation from the forum and find your real purpose in life. Ameen.

[ScimitarXEdge]

What is wrong with you?

Oh year... you are a douche bag.

You think that are a mutazali, but really you are a sunni. You accept them order of the khilafat as being "democratic" and the system by which khalifas are chosen ought to be "democratic" ...so what the heck makes you mutazali then?
Because you believe in evolution?

The squabbles? How did Mu'awiyah come to the position where he could challenge Ali (radiallahu anhu) in the first place? We are talking about the son of the biggest opponent to the Holy Prophet peace be upon him, abu sufyan...democracy?

You don't have the faintest clue son.

One minute you are all anti-west, the next you are pushing western values and agendas down the people's throat. Because that is all you have been "educated" to do so...err.. "brainwashed".
Stay in America and enjoy your democracy.

oh gosh ..... you clearly do NOT READ what you post take a look again

It is also maintained that Mu'taziltes descend from the followers of some of the Companions; Hazrat Sa'd ibn Abi Waqqas, Hazrat `Abd Allah ibn `Umar, etc. who were neutral in the dispute between Hazrat ʿAlī and his opponents (Muawiyah I). For details please see;[2]. "It is an explanation of this kind which today, in particular as a result of the studies undertaken by Nallino (Sull'origine del nome dei Mu'taziliti, in RSO, vii [1916]), is generally accepted: i'tizal would designate a position of neutrality in the face of opposing factions. Nallino drew support for this argument from the fact that at the time of the first civil war, some of the Companions('Abd Allah b. 'Umar, Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas, etc.), who had chosen to side neither with 'Ali nor with his adversaries, were for this reason called mu'tazila. He even drew the conclusion that the theological Mu'tazilism of Wasil and his successors was merely a continuation of this initial political Mu'tazilism; in reality, there does not seem to have been the least connection between one and the other. But, in its principle, this explanation is probably valid."

Even if we allege that Mu'awiyah's power was a product of the early Khilafah; this does not

a.) discredit the Khilafah
b.) discredit democracy
c.) show that democracy doesn't exist or ratify itself in Islam
d.) Show that Mu'tazilism does not see the logical merit of democracy.


Your argument is both Non-Sequitur and Guilt by Association fallacy.

[ScimitarXEdge]

No, the only fag here is you ...

all day long you sit your fat ass on the computer and type whatever you read on the net just to feel smart cos in real life you haven't done anything of value and are of no use to no one.

You are a fag that get's no love. The worst kind.

The point I was trying to get across your shiny bald head was that all the information you gleam over the net is suspicious. Just because I quote one site that alleges one thing, doesn't mean that where you are quoting is any more legit. And that is your problem, douche bag. That you go by "titles" and "labels". If it's the washington post, you are willing to believe it...if its some obscure site you are not so sure. But there isn't much difference between either. "Allegedly" the taliban have also gone into negotiations..."allegedly" foreign mercenaries who are fluent in pashto have been caught attempting to commit suicide... go watch the Afghan media and you ll know of this. Your only source is western outlets. You have zero contacts with Afghans in Afghanistan, and or Afghan media.
Barakzai tried to educate your Neanderthal ass by asking if you thought all the taliban were just one ..then you acted like a douche bag and tried to educate him on your half ass opinion. You keep trying to present a black and white narrative as if you know whats up ...truth is ...you don't know jack... and I am sick of your know-it-all attitude and I pray to God you take a vacation from the forum and find your real purpose in life. Ameen.

Even if that were true; I'm not serving pork to Infidels, nothing I do is overtly harram. You pray to God? that's new , is this before or after you smear yourself in Bacon grease? The irony of you talking about being brainwashed by the Western Media but you peddle the citadel of western culture, fast food. Even if this image of me "sitting here all day" is true .....this is better than wasting life making sandwiches and thinking the Jews are somehow putting wiretaps into my brain to read my thought as your conspiracy theorist types do.

All you're doing is peddling a reworded conspiracy theory here. The Afghan Media? Even if I gave something from Pajhwok, you'd shoot it down with some very predictable conspiracy theory garble.

But here it goes ....let's see what your response to this would be.

Attempted suicide bomber, 5 Taliban fighters capture in Balkh (Video) | Pajhwok Afghan News


Barakzai wasn't trying to educate me; he and I were having a debate, and I already explained to him my distinction beween rank and file Taliban who legitimately are fighting NATO and the leadership who are Pakistani ISI stooges, and those inbetween. Hardly an educational process

it is you trying to misrepresent and sway the debate into something it isn't; Common sense tells me this is all you scrabbling for something....ANYTHING to redeem your wounded ego. Either way I dispatch you like the rest.

[Alchemist]

Your face is non non sequitur...

Show proof from the Qur'an that Democracy is Islamic if you are honest.

Truth is that you are a heretic. You are neither Mu'tazali, Sunni or Shia... you are just a heretic who has invented his own religion.

The Command of Allah was to follow the order's of the Prophet peace be upon him. The Prophet peace be upon him chose Ali as his successor. He did sanction a "democracy" or a voting system. Everyone knows this...but because you are brainwashed american, you seem to think that democracy is as islamic as evolution.

[The Quran 6:116] If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.


Do you understand the meaning of this verse, my naive and foolish friend?

Do you know why the hukum of Qur'an was sent down? Because the people as a whole are and will be led astray without...meaning that if governance is left to the whim of people, then they cannot choose what is best for themselves:

“…and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allaah knows but you do not know.” (Surah Baqarah: 216)


These do not indicate "democracy"...power to the majority. It is stupid of you to think that Islam began as a democratic movement, when the majority in mekkah were in opposition of the Prophet, peace be upon him, and the majority are still in opposition to the message of Islam.

Get your head out of your ass...

No Mu'tazali ever said there is any merit in "democracy", and they knew what is better than you.


Go read some more wikipedia son...

Islam and democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

your bible and your quran ^

[Alchemist]

Even if that were true; I'm not serving pork to Infidels, nothing I do is overtly harram. You pray to God? that's new , is this before or after you smear yourself in Bacon grease? The irony of you talking about being brainwashed by the Western Media but you peddle the citadel of western culture, fast food. Even if this image of me "sitting here all day" is true .....this is better than wasting life making sandwiches and thinking the Jews are somehow putting wiretaps into my brain to read my thought as your conspiracy theorist types do.

All you're doing is peddling a reworded conspiracy theory here. The Afghan Media? Even if I gave something from Pajhwok, you'd shoot it down with some very predictable conspiracy theory garble.

But here it goes ....let's see what your response to this would be.

Attempted suicide bomber, 5 Taliban fighters capture in Balkh (Video) | Pajhwok Afghan News


Barakzai wasn't trying to educate me; he and I were having a debate, and I already explained to him my distinction beween rank and file Taliban who legitimately are fighting NATO and the leadership who are Pakistani ISI stooges, and those inbetween. Hardly an educational process

it is you trying to misrepresent and sway the debate into something it isn't; Common sense tells me this is all you scrabbling for something....ANYTHING to redeem your wounded ego. Either way I dispatch you like the rest.

I told you I sold the business...
so why do you keep obsessing over the pork story?
Because you think you are god?
Yeah ..thats what it is.. You think you are going to heaven and are free of sin so you can pass judgment on others? Like you never ate in a mcdonlads in your whole life... pfftt...

Haven't you realized?

If anyone is a stooge, it is you my friend. You keep trying to pass your self for a watch of "secularist" and a champion of Islam ..but you are the proverbial trojan horse. It's the other way around, you are an enemy of Islam and will try to sway the people by throwing dirt in their eyes.

It's not like you never ate at a mcdonalds, or a burger king in your life! Pfftt...
still quote mining the internet....Here..I can do that too:

Suspected militants captured in Herat | Pajhwok Afghan News

So images of three beardless boys and two bearded old man with the title of "Taliban" in the heading and you've proved your point? Is that all it takes for you? There isn't even commentary or any explanation .. what's this suppose to prove you jack ass?

Zabiullah Mujahid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

^ Your actual source buddy...

"Dispatch yo like the rest" pfffft....
gozok ..


You are just a geek. A keyboard warrior who thinks he is "Winning" here...but in reality you are an embarrassed. No body likes you here...you narcissistic douche bag.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Qur'an and Democracy


OQP

Abdullah Yusuf Ali
 38. Those who hearken[4553] to their Lord, and establish regular Prayer; who (conduct) their affairs by mutual Consultation;[4554] who spend out of what We bestow on them for Sustenance;

Mu'tazilah and Democracy
Khaled Abou El Fadl: Islam and the Challenge of Democracy

Who are the people that have the power to choose and remove the ruler? The Mu‘tazili4 scholar Abu Bakr al-Asam (d. 200/816) argued that the public at large must have this power: there must be a general consensus over the ruler and each person must individually give his consent.5 The vast majority of Muslim jurists argued more pragmatically that ahl al-hall wa al-‘aqd are those who possess the necessary shawka (power or strength) to insure the obedience or, in the alternative, the consent of the public.

did I cover everything? Yes looks like I did .....pomp and rhetoric debunked by evidence

[randolph85]

i don't know what the confusion between islam and democracy comes from. of course we are not talking about western democracy where people can vote for fags getting married or other such ridiculousness. i see it as simply choosing a leader/leadership that best upholds islamic rule in the land and is accountable to the peoples will of upholding islamic values. it doesn't matter if we are talking about a president, amir, or any thing else. the concept is still the same.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I told you I sold the business...
so why do you keep obsessing over the pork story?
Because you think you are god?
Yeah ..thats what it is.. You think you are going to heaven and are free of sin so you can pass judgment on others? Like you never ate in a mcdonlads in your whole life... pfftt...

Because it's obvious that you're lying to save face, no one sells a store in less than a month. Please sir, there's legal processes involved.

I only highlight it because it demonstrates how much of a phony contradictory hypocrite you are, it also demonstrates that your educational background comes no where near anything which would give you any credible knowledge on any subject you discuss. It also shows you couldn't give a damn about Islam and you pay only lip service; your whole adamance to dogma is simply a cultural insecurity rather than a sincere whole hearted pursuit to defend Islam.

Haven't you realized?

If anyone is a stooge, it is you my friend. You keep trying to pass your self for a watch of "secularist" and a champion of Islam ..but you are the proverbial trojan horse. It's the other way around, you are an enemy of Islam and will try to sway the people by throwing dirt in their eyes.

Nothing gets secular than running a Commercialized Capitalist fastfood store. Pork loving fag.


It's not like you never ate at a mcdonalds, or a burger king in your life! Pfftt...
still quote mining the internet....Here..I can do that too:

Suspected militants captured in Herat | Pajhwok Afghan News

So images of three beardless boys and two bearded old man with the title of "Taliban" in the heading and you've proved your point? Is that all it takes for you? There isn't even commentary or any explanation .. what's this suppose to prove you jack ass?

See even when I give you an AFGHAN media source, you'll try to find some scapegoat for rejecting it; you're just trying to argue to nurse your hurt bruised ego.

you'll keep changing goal posts no matter what I say.

"Dispatch yo like the rest" pfffft....
gozok ..

as I have done and continue to do, fag.

No body likes you here...you narcissistic douche bag.

uh yeah that's why the only people who thank you are Talib nutjobs and uneducated drug users.

you want to see narcissism, you need to take a look at how you think you debunked a Mainstream evidence base scientific theory without ANY research, NO peer reviewed study and just serving pork to infidels. That's the epitome of Narcissm

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Qur'an and Democracy


OQP


Mu'tazilah and Democracy
Khaled Abou El Fadl: Islam and the Challenge of Democracy



did I cover everything? Yes looks like I did .....pomp and rhetoric debunked by evidence

Not at all an uninteresting set of quotes! I think we have to be careful though and define, in context, what democracy comes down to, literally, is "the people's rules."

The concept of meshawara is not foreign to Pashtuns either... but it does not allow for certain sacrosinct ideals to be modified.

In daily Pashto speak, husbands and wives talk about meshawaraa... families utilize it... and, in the jirgas back home, it is utilized.

Democracy in the American sense though, literally follows that concept of "the people's rules" for better or worse.

This allows for a plasticity to the constitution... including radical modifications.

I think Alchemists point is certainly to be considered regarding the idea that this Quranic concept of Meshawaraa... or even the tribal jirga concept of consultation and choosing a ruler do not translate 1:1 to the Athenian concept of democracy.

For instance, if we assume Umar was chosen by the people, then this does not provide Umar (R) with a mandate as they so often say of the Presidents here. He is self limited by the Quran and the sunnah. He cannot ratify them further despite his election.

Moreover, note that the jurists quote alludes to the fact that if each voice cannot make its own heard in the quorum that legitimizes the Caliph, leadership speaks on its behalf (might be tribal elder... might be a father for an underage son... etc).

So this in turn simply means that the Quran and the Sunnah do not promote tyrannical rule... this is supported by Abu Bakr (R) inaugeration speech in which he instills within the people the right to remove him if he overstepped certain boundaries.

Furthermore, the problem becomes worse if we do not discuss a pluralistic democracy as it applies to shariah law (that is an impossibility as the subgroups could vote away the codified jizyaa).

[faye]

the whole world is polluted by morons with 'educational backgrounds.' scimitar. aren't environmental scientists now those with 'educational backgrounds' who have to work out how to clean up the mess. so get to work then;-)
so much faith in theory of evolution, logic, rationality and educational backgrounds. sound like a pretty good white boy, to me, lol.

[ScimitarXEdge]

The point is this type of democratic process has existed and was even employed by the early Muslims. Those who say otherwise are being intellectually dishonest

[BarakzaiAbdali]

i don't know what the confusion between islam and democracy comes from. of course we are not talking about western democracy where people can vote for fags getting married or other such ridiculousness. i see it as simply choosing a leader/leadership that best upholds islamic rule in the land and is accountable to the peoples will of upholding islamic values. it doesn't matter if we are talking about a president, amir, or any thing else. the concept is still the same.

I meant to ask you... why no love for Hulkamania in your icons or signatures??? Its really unfair to the Ultimate Warrior or to Hogan that neither of them get the respect they do from entering the annals of Randolph icons.

[ScimitarXEdge]

the whole world is polluted by morons with 'educational backgrounds.' scimitar. aren't environmental scientists now those with 'educational backgrounds' who have to work out how to clean up the mess. so get to work then;-)
so much faith in theory of evolution, logic, rationality and educational backgrounds. sound like a pretty good white boy, to me, lol.

except if you knew where it all came from ...the Muslim world ...you'd rethink all that.