Non-Pashtuns independance?

[Zahed]

hahhaa not to make any racist jokes since I respect Tajiks and Uzbeks

but there is a saying that a Pashtun woman has more "mardani" than the average Tajik man.

And when it comes to these slaves of Imperialists like this Kabulzada guy; it holds true.

just 'cuz a Tajek is soft 'n calm by nature doesnt mean there's no ghairat in him. Tajeks just try to avoid arguments 'n can perfectly well control their anger 'n that's got nothin' to do with mardangi buddy. tho since we speak of Shayesta sis even her own family 'n friends 're avoid discussions with her. her nickname isnt ONE MAN ARMY for nothin'. I'm not jokin' btw

[ScimitarXEdge]

well Zahed, I dont actually believe in these silly ethnic or racial epithets; I just mentioned it because Shayesta is overpowering Kabulzada with ease. And Kabulzada clearly has other agendas.

[faye]

muslim disunity is because of muslims. shia and sunni, basically. this information i have read written by muslims.
when i was young there were prejudices between catholics and protestants and it has been ironed out, maybe because we are not so religious anymore, but these issues will have to be corrected for you guys to improve the wellbeing of the muslim people. no dominance from either group that disempowers the other.
the constant tribalism on here is not helpful either. people can change. what happened before does not have to continue happening if people make an effort to unite.

[ScimitarXEdge]

so you're saying Pakistan which is majority Sunni are fighting with Afghanistan which are majority Sunni because of Shi'a-Sunni disunity?

[Zahed]

its more like what did islamic rule not bring. it didn't bring brothels, prostitution, gay marriages, lack of dignity, socially acceptable vices, abortion, broken homes, and a number of other social ills that plague non islamic societies.

the taliban ruled the country for 5 years, and inherited a broken country that was destroyed by secular men who wore suits and ties and lived in nice clean planned cities in moscow and washington. amanullah was a clown who tarnished his own image and achievements by wanting to import foreign culture into the country he supposedly saved. it was the "islamists" like mirwais and ahmad shah baba who created the country and gave us dignity, its the suits and ties like zahir shah who sat on his ass for 40 years and kept afghanistan economically backwards.

and what makes u think amanullah would of developed afghanistan properly? the monarchy was abolished for less than a year and was back again in full swing with more amanullahs who kept the country in the economic stone age.

what u on about bro?? prostituetion today is higher in Islamic countries than anywhere else. disunity is bigger in Islamic countries than anyone else. women 're bought for money more in Islamic countries than anywhere else. homosexuality is possibly more practiced in Islamic countries than anywhere else. women 're oppressed in Islamic countries more than anywhere else. once married by force 'n no matter how much u hate that person u 're stuck with that person for rest of ur life. Taliban only served Pakii interest 'n nothin' more. none's has used AFG to the extend so called Muslim Pakii brothers 've. Amanullah brought western rules only to Kabul 'n ppl of Kabul themselves welcomed his rules. he also freed Hazaras from slavery which is why every Hazara was ready to die for him. just 'cuz u dont agree with his lifestyle doesnt mean he's harmed AFG. he wasnt a warmonger, not a racist, not a forcing leader, he could 've brought western culture by corporing with Britain instead of winnin' independence of interference by them!! 'n our economy wasnt kept backward by Amanullah, it were his ethnic brothers who didnt corporate... 'n Shah gave AFG economy no one else ever had!!! my own family has lived under Shah 'n north of AFG had experienced some great economical era 'n Herat became most important economy for AFG.

[Zahed]

This is totally false; It's precisely because Muslims are not unified that Pakistan has turned against it's Muslim brothers; it's disunity which causes Pakistan to do what it does and this is also why the Taliban exist.

Amanullah used to let German and French men kiss his wife's body. There's even pictures of it floating around in History Books; That's bowing to Imperialism in the worst way imaginable. Even by Pashtun standards we know that isnt progress; but an example of trying to brainwashed and deceive others into degradation.


Even your idea of "backwardness" is precisely measured by something Imperialistically manufactured Framework of how to define progress.

You fail to realize the reason any of us are even in the West in the first place is because of how men like Amanullah Khan destroyed and ruined our country and made it dependent on IMperialists It's because of allowing such Imperialist that we could not develop ourselves. None of us are here enjoying democracy; we're here because Imperialists have disrupted and displaced our Environments from their natural order.

Turkey used to have a vast empire; now they're begging the EU to let it in; They havent really developed. If we were Unified Muslim Society we'd have developments better than every European and American country combined. So Turkey's status is an example of what is going wrong with Muslims today because of lack of unity.

That's why Kalakani was great; because he was our last hope from saving us from the benamous ways of Amanullah so that we could have a chance at Unifying each ither instead of being enslaved.

That's why you're slaves; because what you haven isnt really a democracy; but brainwashing of Imperialist powers.

Pakiiland is just a disgrace to humanity forget religion who smooches American 'n British asses since decades but encourages Afghans to fight for so called Islam 'n anyone tryin' to justify Pakiiland's ill treatment of AFG is the biggest enemy of AFG!! Pakiiland doesnt care abt Muslim unity, feed them money 'n u can 've their mothers.
whatever Amanullah 'n his wife did was their business. there's a singer by name of Farhad Darya whose bein' critisized for his personal life 'n westernized thinkin' but go to Kabul 'n all the poor love him to death!! he gathered incountable no of orphanes from streets of Kabul 'n gave them new life. 'n I'm proud of Afghans like him!! 'n Amanullah applied many of those rules in Kabul. he didnt go to Pashtun areas 'n force skirts upon their women. if ppl of Kabul, Mazar, Herat etc didnt protest his ideas then why couldnt Pashtuns just live their lives 'n let others live theirs?? 'n abt u bein' here 'cuz of imperialists then why didnt u move to Islamic countries like Saudi who dont consider other Muslims as even humans?? why did u move to the very same cultural u 're glad AFG never adapted?? isnt that hypocricy at its best?? 'n yes IF we were unified we would 've been better off but we 're NOT united!!! Arabs dont give 2 shiits abt other Muslims, Pakiiland for money made every Muslim its enemy, 'n AFG destroyed itself for Islam. even these so called kaafirs 're more united than us!!! 'n Kalakani himself was supported by British to overthrow Amanullah so what was so great abt that 8/9 month old bache saqaw?? 'n if I'm brainwashed by imperialism then u 're fully brainwashed into so called Muslim ummah which 'll NEVER happen!! not everyone's half Arab like urself which is why force of Islamic way of life isnt much diff for them than imperialism what u call western slavery!!!

[ScimitarXEdge]

what u on about bro?? prostituetion today is higher in Islamic countries than anywhere else. disunity is bigger in Islamic countries than anyone else. women 're bought for money more in Islamic countries than anywhere else. homosexuality is possibly more practiced in Islamic countries than anywhere else. women 're oppressed in Islamic countries more than anywhere else. once married by force 'n no matter how much u hate that person u 're stuck with that person for rest of ur life. Taliban only served Pakii interest 'n nothin' more. none's has used AFG to the extend so called Muslim Pakii brothers 've. Amanullah brought western rules only to Kabul 'n ppl of Kabul themselves welcomed his rules. he also freed Hazaras from slavery which is why every Hazara was ready to die for him. just 'cuz u dont agree with his lifestyle doesnt mean he's harmed AFG. he wasnt a warmonger, not a racist, not a forcing leader, he could 've brought western culture by corporing with Britain instead of winnin' independence of interference by them!! 'n our economy wasnt kept backward by Amanullah, it were his ethnic brothers who didnt corporate... 'n Shah gave AFG economy no one else ever had!!! my own family has lived under Shah 'n north of AFG had experienced some great economical era 'n Herat became most important economy for AFG.

That's because those countries are not being ruled Islamically; you're only proving our point not contradicting it.

The Kabul people welcomed his rules? Who told you this? If the Kabul people welcomed his rules; why did they join the Ghilzai and Paktiawal tribes agaiinst Him? They didnt get brainwashed enough by the indoctrination system later on to start wanting his rules.

Our economics were affected by Amanullah; he worked with the Germans who were also Imperialists.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Pakiiland is just a disgrace to humanity forget religion who smooches American 'n British asses since decades but encourages Afghans to fight for so called Islam 'n anyone tryin' to justify Pakiiland's ill treatment of AFG is the biggest enemy of AFG!! Pakiiland doesnt care abt Muslim unity, feed them money 'n u can 've their mothers.
whatever Amanullah 'n his wife did was their business. there's a singer by name of Farhad Darya whose bein' critisized for his personal life 'n westernized thinkin' but go to Kabul 'n all the poor love him to death!! he gathered incountable no of orphanes from streets of Kabul 'n gave them new life. 'n I'm proud of Afghans like him!! 'n Amanullah applied many of those rules in Kabul. he didnt go to Pashtun areas 'n force skirts upon their women. if ppl of Kabul, Mazar, Herat etc didnt protest his ideas then why couldnt Pashtuns just live their lives 'n let others live theirs?? 'n abt u bein' here 'cuz of imperialists then why didnt u move to Islamic countries like Saudi who dont consider other Muslims as even humans?? why did u move to the very same cultural u 're glad AFG never adapted?? isnt that hypocricy at its best?? 'n yes IF we were unified we would 've been better off but we 're NOT united!!! Arabs dont give 2 shiits abt other Muslims, Pakiiland for money made every Muslim its enemy, 'n AFG destroyed itself for Islam. even these so called kaafirs 're more united than us!!! 'n Kalakani himself was supported by British to overthrow Amanullah so what was so great abt that 8/9 month old bache saqaw?? 'n if I'm brainwashed by imperialism then u 're fully brainwashed into so called Muslim ummah which 'll NEVER happen!! not everyone's half Arab like urself which is why force of Islamic way of life isnt much diff for them than imperialism what u call western slavery!!!

It wasnt Pakistan that encouraged you to fight for Islam; it was Sayyid Jamaluddin Al Afghani; you're trying to discredit fighting for Islam; just because Pakistan started copying the statement; but just because Pakistan copies the Statement doesnt mean The Statement is wrong.

Pakistanis also say we should develop Science and Math; are you going to reject Science and Math because Pakistan said it? Let's be logical; here.

What Pakistan says has no bearing on the truth; the Truth is the truth regardless of who is saying it.

The problem is as you said Pakistan are fraudulent as they're proxies of Imperialists.

As for Farhad Darya only gives money to the poor so he can cover up for his lifestyle. He's just using these poor people so he can go drinking and feel justified about it.

The only real way to help poor and orphans in Afghanistan is to change the condition which makes them poor orphans; To just put a band aid is to keep them tortured for our sadistic self serving heroism. We can only progress when we are united because then we wont have to depend on Outside resources and we can use resources to help ourselves rather than being exploited. This is what's keeping us poor and why we have orphans.

[faye]

once again, MUSLIMS are not ruling the country islamically.

[ScimitarXEdge]

because they're puppets of Imperialists

[Michin Khel]

just 'cuz a Tajek is soft 'n calm by nature doesnt mean there's no ghairat in him. Tajeks just try to avoid arguments 'n can perfectly well control their anger 'n that's got nothin' to do with mardangi buddy. tho since we speak of Shayesta sis even her own family 'n friends 're avoid discussions with her. her nickname isnt ONE MAN ARMY for nothin'. I'm not jokin' btw

A good reply.
I dont think our women are masculine. If our men are mardana to extreme then our women are zanana to extreme.
And tajiks are decent and civilized people....it doesnt mean that we have to assume that they are namard

[Michin Khel]

It wasnt Pakistan that encouraged you to fight for Islam; it was Sayyid Jamaluddin Al Afghani; you're trying to discredit fighting for Islam; just because Pakistan started copying the statement; but just because Pakistan copies the Statement doesnt mean The Statement is wrong.

Pakistanis also say we should develop Science and Math; are you going to reject Science and Math because Pakistan said it? Let's be logical; here.

What Pakistan says has no bearing on the truth; the Truth is the truth regardless of who is saying it.

The problem is as you said Pakistan are fraudulent as they're proxies of Imperialists.

As for Farhad Darya only gives money to the poor so he can cover up for his lifestyle. He's just using these poor people so he can go drinking and feel justified about it.

The only real way to help poor and orphans in Afghanistan is to change the condition which makes them poor orphans; To just put a band aid is to keep them tortured for our sadistic self serving heroism. We can only progress when we are united because then we wont have to depend on Outside resources and we can use resources to help ourselves rather than being exploited. This is what's keeping us poor and why we have orphans.

Along with syed afghani, allama iqbal and maulana haali of subcontinent are important to mention when we talk of pan-islamism..pakistan did not copy statements. Syed jamuladeen become motivated for pan-islamism when he came to india.

[faye]

because they're puppets of Imperialists

so don't they have a choice, like dzj?

[ScimitarXEdge]

so don't they have a choice, like dzj?

actually in a way they didnt since they're the product of their circumstances; and had it pushed on then.

[Zahed]

It wasnt Pakistan that encouraged you to fight for Islam; it was Sayyid Jamaluddin Al Afghani; you're trying to discredit fighting for Islam; just because Pakistan started copying the statement; but just because Pakistan copies the Statement doesnt mean The Statement is wrong.

Pakistanis also say we should develop Science and Math; are you going to reject Science and Math because Pakistan said it? Let's be logical; here.

What Pakistan says has no bearing on the truth; the Truth is the truth regardless of who is saying it.

The problem is as you said Pakistan are fraudulent as they're proxies of Imperialists.

As for Farhad Darya only gives money to the poor so he can cover up for his lifestyle. He's just using these poor people so he can go drinking and feel justified about it.

The only real way to help poor and orphans in Afghanistan is to change the condition which makes them poor orphans; To just put a band aid is to keep them tortured for our sadistic self serving heroism. We can only progress when we are united because then we wont have to depend on Outside resources and we can use resources to help ourselves rather than being exploited. This is what's keeping us poor and why we have orphans.

Pakiiland 'n wishing AFG development?? is that why Taliban was so much against education and economic progress?? Jalaluddin's reason to encourage ppl wasnt same as those of Pakiis whose own hero Zinnah couldnt stop his own daughter from marrying a kaafir! 'n abt Darya, buddy, Darya's family still own a big land of Kunduz 'n his own father was a millionaire 'n even Darya earned so much money that he could enjoy rest of his life in USA 'n would never even need AFG. when ppl want to enjoy life they usually do it in west not risk their lives in AFG. 'n lets say its true he's helping the poor for himself. but lets someone snatches ur wallet 'n runs away 'n someone else stops him 'n gives u back ur wallet 'cuz at that time there's someone else with the saviour whose respect 'll grow for the saviour. the saviour is a bad guy 'n he only helped u 'cuz he wanted to increase his respect in other ppl's heart. 're u goin' to thank him 'cuz he helped u? or 'll u ignore him 'n speak of ill of him 'cuz he did it with a reason?? poor Afghans dont care abt WHY ppl help them 'cuz they need help regardlessly