Non-Pashtuns independance?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Hay SE, da Yimin na pa khair raghlai...pa Yimin kai mosam sanga woo....?

But those Muslims are only a very very very tiny minority...mostly extremists. Summer job sanga rawan dai?

I would argue otherwise; I would say they're a minority; but not a tiny one

we just need to educate the ignorant jahleen such as yourself who have become brainwashed slaves of Imperialists to constantly fight each other for Farangi Honor.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Does are islamists like Taliban. In Tajikistan or Uzbekistan they have no influence because their numbers are vry small. Pakistan have a great influence and threat the entire region and all people of the region.

Don't be so sure; Soon, Tajikistan will have their own fully mobile Islamist movement

And they too will Urinate on Massoud's grave; even Tajiks hate Massoud friend.

Government Tries to Clamp Down, as Islam’s Influence Builds in Northern Tajikistan | EurasiaNet.org

[ScimitarXEdge]

Tajik Warriors destroying their Treacherous Imperialist Slave government

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

Don't be so sure; Soon, Tajikistan will have their own fully mobile Islamist movement

And they too will Urinate on Massoud's grave; even Tajiks hate Massoud friend.

Government Tries to Clamp Down, as Islam’s Influence Builds in Northern Tajikistan | EurasiaNet.org

Have you actually read the article or just typed for fast on google and pasted here. It is a different if there are some hundred islamists in northern tajikistan who are now in Guantanamo Bay (article speaks abt 3 suspected islamists) or thousands of Islamist ... but whatever you guys propagate the result you will see and you will be again those who will lose everything.

Oh yes, Tajiks not even fought the Russians but also you terrorist and your masters. Afghanistan will alway stand up against slaves and traitors ... there are enough videos how they stood up against your soviet masters, uk ... and now Pakistan, Taliban, ISI. You need just to visit youtube. Your hate toward Massoud is because of his ethnicity. Would he have been a Pashtun you would call him Baba (tough his mother was a Pashtun) ... as leader his son will soon at the end of this year replace his father´s role of the past. Once he is finished with his military study in America he will come back and teach Taliban their lessons. You will see.

[IamDZJ]

i don't know who wants what in this thread because i have zero interest in politics and -2 in reading 6 pages of wishful thinking but what i don't know is how the fear of pakistanies or someone else taking over afghanistan could convince one to want for it to divide. really? you think afghanistan divided in five pieces can do a better job at defending itself than it would if it was to fight together for a common interest? you are going to destroy your own country before someone else gets to it?? that is your solution??
i know lots of afghans who are willing to fight for hazaras pashtuns tajiks and uzbeks knowing very well that the favor might not be returned to them when their time comes and they don't do it because they love pashtuns or tajiks, they do it for the sake of their country. and that is what i have always believed in what being an afghan is meant to be.
so if you people are scared insecure or paranoid and wanting a bigger chunk of afghanistan than the rest, don't be. it's not dividing because we will fight for it . have some faith in each other. no afghan should want for it to be divided. but if by any chance, you happen to have a secret plan for it then consider yourself warned.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Have you actually read the article or just typed for fast on google and pasted here. It is a different if there are some hundred islamists in northern tajikistan who are now in Guantanamo Bay (article speaks abt 3 suspected islamists) or thousands of Islamist ... but whatever you guys propagate the result you will see and you will be again those who will lose everything.

Oh yes, Tajiks not even fought the Russians but also you terrorist and your masters. Afghanistan will alway stand up against slaves and traitors ... there are enough videos how they stood up against your soviet masters, uk ... and now Pakistan, Taliban, ISI. You need just to visit youtube. Your hate toward Massoud is because of his ethnicity. Would he have been a Pashtun you would call him Baba (tough his mother was a Pashtun) ... as leader his son will soon at the end of this year replace his father´s role of the past. Once he is finished with his military study in America he will come back and teach Taliban their lessons. You will see.

What you forget is that Massoud and the people you support ARE themselves slaves of Imperialists and traitors to Muslims, who have sought to undermine Muslims at various courses for centuries; You're enslaved because you subscribe to their ideas of boundaries; and you're a traitor because you're willing to fight and die for boundaries that Imperialists created. Massoud even went to Pakistan to get training. So he never actually fought Pakistan; it was just an illusion to keep everyone distracted. Why didn't Massoud fight America when it was proven that America was helping the ISI build up it's operations base? It shows that Massoud was just making a smokescreen to help Imperialistic control of Asia.

If I hated Massoud because of his ethnicity; then there would be no reason for me to show how Islamists in Tajikistan are wanting to Unite with Muslims of other ethnicities. I think you're mistaking Massoud for Abdullah Abdullah, who's father was from Qandahar.

The Article speaks of 3; but that doesn't mean there are ONLY Three, the Article alludes to the fact the numbers are growing. Tajiks had enough of dividing between Muslims; Of course you'd accuse others of being slaves; because the Real Slaves are the ones who work for Imperialist Agendas and are trying to distract people from the real enemy. The ones who created and funded Pakistan; who Massoud used to worship; the Farangiyan.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

The topic is not Massoud. The Topic is Independance of Non-Pashtuns.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

ok dear brothers and sisters,

since you are discussing a unification of Pashtuns in Central Asia and South-East Asia and several times called for an own country under the name Pashtunistan and do not give a thought about the non-Pashtuns in Afghanistan I opened this topic to discuss with you this issue but on non-Pashtuns. There are many people among non-Pashtuns, too, who have their maps and wishes and their political agendas. For example our Hazara brothers who want an independant Hazaraistan, the Tajiks who want to establish back their ancient country´s name Khorasan, the Uzbeks want to join their brothers in Uzbekistan or establish their own Khanata or being part of ''Unay Turkistan'', majority of Farsiwans in western Afghanistan either want to join the Khorasan idea or Iran, Balochistan for Baluchs. What is your thought about them? Since you, obviously, do not want a united Afghanistan, so would you allow them the same rights? Are you ready to tell them Ok go and join your brothers or call your own countries? I don´t think that Hazaras would accept to live with people who come from Pakistan and many times in the past, too, and who attacked them and killed their children. Or Tajiks accept to give their lands and homes to more Pashtuns. Uzbeks are warmonger and dislike many Pashtuns and wouldn´t allow them to settle to their regions.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Ok fine the topic isn't Massoud; but then let's focus on a better topic; How to Unite All Muslims for a common cause rather than constantly being manipulated by Imperialist Schemes; whether it's through the Imperialist Proxy of Pakistan, Massoud or Taliban

is that a fair discussion?

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

Dear Scimitar, with this topic I want to provoke you. You always dream this not-existent country Loy-Pashtunistan or want a unification with Pakistanis just because of ethnical causes. So than I ask you people,too, if you are ready to give the same right to non-Pashtuns. That´s the topic and nothing else. Of course, your topic is also good but for such we can open a new topic. Beside that, Pan-Islamism led the Muslim becoming stupid, uneducated and militants.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I'm actually not a Nationalist; so whatever issues you have with Loy Pashtunistan or Loy Pashtunkhwah; have nothing to do with me.

My only goal here is unification of Muslims; don't care for nonsense like ethnicity. I prefer Kalakani to Amanullah Khan. I will always pick the Islamic Leader over the Unislamic one; even if that leader is my own uncle. Actually I am related to Najibullah but I am 100% against him.

Pan Islam emphaiszes educating Muslims and developing independent science and economics; that's brilliance, not stupidity. Read the writings of Sayyid Jamaluddin Afghani; and you will know what real Pan-Islam is. Only Slaves of Imperialists say negative things about Islam so they can spread propaganda to help Imperialists control over Muslims by keeping them divided and ignorant.

Are you a Slave of Imperialists?

[Zahed]

My only goal here is unification of Muslims; don't care for nonsense like ethnicity. I prefer Kalakani to Amanullah Khan. I will always pick the Islamic Leader over the Unislamic one; even if that leader is my own uncle.

enemies of AFG 've always been ur Muslim brothers like Pakiiland, Iran etc. what did Islamic rules bring to AFG anyway?? illiterate barbaric creatures like the Taleban?? division of AFG??? backwardness? what did Kalakani bring with his so called Islamism to AFG except for an embarrassing 8/9 months of presidency?? with Amanullah we could 've been atleast upto level of Turkey when it comes to developments 'n progress. u 'n ppl like urself enjoy democracy in west, u love ur freedom here, u cheer that AFG never so called bowed for imperialism while thats the lifestyle u urself 're leading!! then why 're u so much against the same wellbeing for AFG?? why 're we considered slaves when AFG strives for democracy while we live in democracy ourselves? why 're we considered slaves while asking for western aid while we live on western money ourselves? isnt living under so called Islamic rule with force slavery itself?? why arent we being labelled as slaves while living under Islamic rules by force but we become slaves when we want to live in democracy by CHOICE??? why?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Hahahaaa, I am really scared of this lady i.e., Shayesta and avoid to argue with her. She is such a hard-hitter....can knock your jaws down in a debate.

hahhaa not to make any racist jokes since I respect Tajiks and Uzbeks

but there is a saying that a Pashtun woman has more "mardani" than the average Tajik man.

And when it comes to these slaves of Imperialists like this Kabulzada guy; it holds true.

[randolph85]

enemies of AFG 've always been ur Muslim brothers like Pakiiland, Iran etc. what did Islamic rules bring to AFG anyway?? illiterate barbaric creatures like the Taleban?? division of AFG??? backwardness? what did Kalakani bring with his so called Islamism to AFG except for an embarrassing 8/9 months of presidency?? with Amanullah we could 've been atleast upto level of Turkey when it comes to developments 'n progress. u 'n ppl like urself enjoy democracy in west, u love ur freedom here, u cheer that AFG never so called bowed for imperialism while thats the lifestyle u urself 're leading!! then why 're u so much against the same wellbeing for AFG?? why 're we considered slaves when AFG strives for democracy while we live in democracy ourselves? why 're we considered slaves while asking for western aid while we live on western money ourselves? isnt living under so called Islamic rule with force slavery itself?? why arent we being labelled as slaves while living under Islamic rules by force but we become slaves when we want to live in democracy by CHOICE??? why?

its more like what did islamic rule not bring. it didn't bring brothels, prostitution, gay marriages, lack of dignity, socially acceptable vices, abortion, broken homes, and a number of other social ills that plague non islamic societies.

the taliban ruled the country for 5 years, and inherited a broken country that was destroyed by secular men who wore suits and ties and lived in nice clean planned cities in moscow and washington. amanullah was a clown who tarnished his own image and achievements by wanting to import foreign culture into the country he supposedly saved. it was the "islamists" like mirwais and ahmad shah baba who created the country and gave us dignity, its the suits and ties like zahir shah who sat on his ass for 40 years and kept afghanistan economically backwards.

and what makes u think amanullah would of developed afghanistan properly? the monarchy was abolished for less than a year and was back again in full swing with more amanullahs who kept the country in the economic stone age.

[ScimitarXEdge]

enemies of AFG 've always been ur Muslim brothers like Pakiiland, Iran etc. what did Islamic rules bring to AFG anyway?? illiterate barbaric creatures like the Taleban?? division of AFG??? backwardness? what did Kalakani bring with his so called Islamism to AFG except for an embarrassing 8/9 months of presidency?? with Amanullah we could 've been atleast upto level of Turkey when it comes to developments 'n progress. u 'n ppl like urself enjoy democracy in west, u love ur freedom here, u cheer that AFG never so called bowed for imperialism while thats the lifestyle u urself 're leading!! then why 're u so much against the same wellbeing for AFG?? why 're we considered slaves when AFG strives for democracy while we live in democracy ourselves? why 're we considered slaves while asking for western aid while we live on western money ourselves? isnt living under so called Islamic rule with force slavery itself?? why arent we being labelled as slaves while living under Islamic rules by force but we become slaves when we want to live in democracy by CHOICE??? why?

This is totally false; It's precisely because Muslims are not unified that Pakistan has turned against it's Muslim brothers; it's disunity which causes Pakistan to do what it does and this is also why the Taliban exist.

Amanullah used to let German and French men kiss his wife's body. There's even pictures of it floating around in History Books; That's bowing to Imperialism in the worst way imaginable. Even by Pashtun standards we know that isnt progress; but an example of trying to brainwashed and deceive others into degradation.


Even your idea of "backwardness" is precisely measured by something Imperialistically manufactured Framework of how to define progress.

You fail to realize the reason any of us are even in the West in the first place is because of how men like Amanullah Khan destroyed and ruined our country and made it dependent on IMperialists It's because of allowing such Imperialist that we could not develop ourselves. None of us are here enjoying democracy; we're here because Imperialists have disrupted and displaced our Environments from their natural order.

Turkey used to have a vast empire; now they're begging the EU to let it in; They havent really developed. If we were Unified Muslim Society we'd have developments better than every European and American country combined. So Turkey's status is an example of what is going wrong with Muslims today because of lack of unity.

That's why Kalakani was great; because he was our last hope from saving us from the benamous ways of Amanullah so that we could have a chance at Unifying each ither instead of being enslaved.

That's why you're slaves; because what you haven isnt really a democracy; but brainwashing of Imperialist powers.