Non-Pashtuns independance?

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

Your portrayal is not exactly true; there are Uzbek and Tajik Muslims who want a unified Islamic Society, most of the Islamic Movements of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan support other Muslims regardless of ethnic group.

Does are islamists like Taliban. In Tajikistan or Uzbekistan they have no influence because their numbers are vry small. Pakistan have a great influence and threat the entire region and all people of the region.

[Shayesta]

You just need to wait till NATO start it´s withdraw. Your Haqqani Heroes won´t survive more facing an ANA and a new NA.

If your Northern Alliance was man enough they would have been fighting the Taliban since the day they came to Kabul instead of fleeing, or at least not invited 100,000 troops and yet fail to eliminate the Taliban.

Before making any comments on me or ANA or NA or Massoud have a bit ghairat and go and rescue your own back from Pakistan.

We don't need to save our backs from anyone nor are we scared of anyone, which I can't say about these brave anti-Taliban:

Guardian

They are coming .. coming for you! Go and deal first with them succesfully and than come back and deal with Massoud´s shadow.

Massoud's a$$ has been dealt with long time ago, and even his own men are being suspected in his murder. Let's hope for your Power Rangers (Northern Alliance) they don't rot same way their master did (for your sake). Pukhtoons don't freak out when speaking of Northern Alliance because they hardly form a permanent threat, unlike you who sh*t his pants as soon as the word 'Taliban' is out.

But back to the topic after your BSs and dreams and lies, propagandas and fake claims you just fool yourself and your-like people just to go with a good feeling sleeping.

When is your birthday mate? I want to gift you a mirror.

Your culture and identiyt was Bacha Bazi. That was even attested by the British, you moron.

Next time, make sure you don't provide a link written by an Iranian and even if you do, read it more carefully before posting it:

Outside the royal court, homosexuality and homoerotic expressions were tolerated in numerous public places, from monasteries and seminaries to taverns, military camps, bathhouses, and coffee houses. In the early Safavid era (1501-1722), male houses of prostitution (amard khane) were legally recognized and paid taxes.

Literally all I could make out of the article is that the Greek brought this tradition, in Iran it became legalised, and then was practised in Afghanistan......? At last you provided a source and that also one which doesn't even prove your point!

and we know for sure in which society it occures mainly marrying a 7 years old girl to a 80years old man.

Yes we do, in Herat where girls burn themselves alive after being married to a grandpa. Pukhtoons aren't sole aggressor in such cruelty, you have had your share as well.

[Shayesta]

You can´t ask when. Because it was always an issue.

There must have been a movement, suggestion, or anything if it ever happened. So come on, name me one movement, suggestion, etcetera?

That´s why your houses are Dari-speakings,

Not really. Despite most of my male relatives marrying Tajiks and even my grand-mothers being Tajiks, my house is 100% Pukhto speaking.

Non-Pashtun culture, language and identity is bounded with it´s neighbours.

Or could even be 'nicked' from it's neighbours, which is exactly what Iran claims regarding Tajiks. Many Iranians still believe Tajiks are just a mixture of Turks-Arabs-Mongols and anyone and everyone else who invaded Persia.

Inform yourself about the multiple events from 70 to 74.

I can't be bother to search for links but I am sure you got some to share, so what's the delay about?

The so called majority suffer from illiteracy, hunger, not having electricy, not having any security.

You very clearly aren't even aware of Afghanistan's situation, and yet claim to be Afghan Tajik? Go to Kabul once, Arzaan-Qeemat, Shahre Kohna and etcetera are full of Tajiks living on streets, full of them. Only the already educated ones are getting more educated, those who suffered are still suffering; May they be Tajiks, may it be Pukhtoons!

While the north (70% of all funds are used in the south!!!) is flourishing.

Bullsh*t! You are only confirming you are not even an Afghan, forget half Pukhtoon-half Tajik. Follow Afghan news more often and tell me which funds go where in Afghanistan? Literally only Pukhtoon province being invested in massively is Nangarhar and that also because people of Nangarhar invest money in economics individually, not handing the money over to it's government. Did you even know Jalalabad is getting most exports in banking in entire of Afghanistan, and is economically one of the most stable parts?

It´s markets, it´s people in the sense of education, freedom, self-determination, minorities like Hazaras and Uzbeks flood the scools and universities.

Last time I was in Kabul, most college students (even Tajiks) were applying to join Nangarhar universities and Mazar was their second favourite, especially since Mazar isn't as tolerant of non-Mazaris as Jalalabadis are of non-Jalalabadis. Hmm. And no matter how many Uzbeks and Hazaras flood how many universities or schools in big cities, you have to live with the bitter fact that they are by far not more educated than Pukhtoons in big cities, nor will be.

ANA´s base is in North,

And then people claim 'The Hashish Team' is to be found South in the country......

the NA could heal it´s injuries for a future Taliban/Pakistan/Arab intervene.

By support USA, UK, Germany, Holland, Canada, Australia and all the other 100,000 foreigners in Afghanistan. Chapeau, keep it up.

That´s your ignorance. Read the following second pages on the link below.

Been there, done that. Now what in that thread was supposed to clear 'my ignorance'?

You were never rulers. You were ruled like tools by foreigners or your entire ''rule'' was based on non-Pashtun shoulders.

Elaborate please. Nonetheless, it must have hurt to be ruled by people who were supposedly ruled by foreigners already, no? Heard of slaves before, but speaking of slaves of the slaves......

Foreigners were using Pashtuns versus Pashtuns and yet you call yourself as rulers.

Whether you turn left or right, up and down. A fact is, was and will remain that Pukhtoons have had their rule in Afghanistan and just because a Tajik 'leader' (Kalakani) couldn't handle Afghanistan for longer than a year (and that also with British and Pukhtoon support) doesn't mean every leader was as incompetent.

If you give them their rights, their rights as Hazaras, Uzbeks, Baluchs which are not a branch of Pashtuns, I recommend it and appreciate that.

When was a Tajik snatched off his language and culture? When was an Uzbek snatched off his language and culture? When was a Balochi snatched off his language and culture? Unlike Iran, 100% of the nation hasn't been forced Pukhto and Pukhtunwali upon.

There was no devision before 1992 because all population had a cause to fight united, at least they thought.

That's why we had seven Hizbs of Mujahideen? Wauw, what a unity!

And before the time of Pashtun nationalism the days were different than 1903 where oppression of non-Pashtuns directly started. Being replaced from government, power, military, schools.

It actually started much later than that, nonetheless I agree that after losing Pakhtunkhwa Pukhtoons should have been much more careful regarding rest of Afghanistan. What bugs me is the 'it's all your fault' mentality which Khorasanis are full of, be reasonable and so will we be.

They were for studing in foreign countries but came back as uneducated and unqualified personalities.

Just to clarify, which ethnic are we speaking of here?

That caused the death of Zahir´s father, the empowering of non-Pashtuns and their allies, such as Kohadamni people and Parwan.

Zahir Shah himself, nonetheless, contributed a lot to Afghanistan's economy. It's a different thing due to his ethnic people don't want to acknowledge that.

Which influence? You forget that Hazaras are Shias, such as 10? of Tajiks. Your forget that Dari-speaking and Hazaragi-Dari speaking people are bounded to Iran, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan such as you are related with Pakistan.

Except for language and religion, Hazaras got nothing in common with Iranians, nothing. If a Herati Tajik (for example) talks about similarities with Iran it will make sense, it just makes me laugh when any Hazara shouts out Iranian slogans. I am related to Pakhtunkhwa, not entire of Pakistan. Same-wise Hazaras are related to Turk-Mongolia, Uzbeks to Uzbekistan, and Tajiks to Iran/Tajikistan. Simple.

We had never brought any foreign influence to Afghanistan. There were no Arabs, Turks, Chechens, Pakis or whatever.

Yes, you only went to Pakistan an work with Pakistanis to destabilize the Afghan government, and now you have only invited 40 NATO countries with 100,000 troops. No, no support for foreigners at all there, ha!?

The fact is that these people have a language and a culture that were worked on for centuries if not millenias and both were always rooted to the region, while Pashtu have not such a history and statue.

If with 'these' people you mean Hazaras then please, don't crack silly jokes. And if you mean Tajiks then admit it or deny it, there are gazillion Tajiks who claim to be of Arab/Syrian/Turkish descent, gazillions. Those millions of Arabs, Turkish and Mongolians who invaded Persia must have mingled somewhere, any idea where?

Those who worked for Pashtun culture and language were mostly ''Pakistanis'' such as Khushal Khan Khattak or Abdul Rahman Baba.

Correction; Pukhtoons, and that's exactly what they considered themselves, Pukhtoons/Afghans.

you need to discuss logical, political and geographical not emotional.

I am not reacting emotional, I am reacting realistically.

Who are those high ISI generals, commanders, servants, Taliban who kill Pashtun children? Panjabis?

And who were included in list of ISI slaves (in name of Mujahideen) from Afghanistan? Only Pukhtoons? And who supported Russians even when they were at war with Afghanistan, neighbours of Iran?

this site has more such videos showing Taliban killing their own nation´s members.

And exactly same (if not worse) activities were done by Mujahideen as well against their own ethnics, it's a different thing Dollars (and that also billions of them) has changed them today. Your point?

The NA is since 2002 neutral. They prepare themself for future after Karzai-Taliban co-working.

Karzai-Taliban co-working? Or you mean Karzai-Dostum-Fahim co-working? They are only preparing on how to secure their money after US' departure, nothing more and nothing less. Just like how they all vanished from face of earth when Taliban arrived, exactly same will happen once their daddies a.k.a. leave.

Don´t try to blame others when yourself are the victim-makers.

My entire discussion isn't even about making Tajiks look like the sole culprits and Pukhtoons sole victims, my discussion is all pointed at you picturing Pukhtoons as the evil and non-Pukhtoons as the victims. Every positivity is being claimed as Tajiks' mercy/wish/production (for example Ahmad Zahir) and all your ill as Pukhtoon property (like Bachabazi). We all had our shares, if any Tajik wants a Pukhtoon to admit his mistakes then he should lay down his arms first. Same goes for the other way round.

Shabnam Suraya belong to the same group as Afshin, Googoosh and Taher Shubab, Qader Esphari, Amir Jan Saburi belong... what is your content?

My content is same as it was before, Tajikistan doesn't care about their so-called 'blood-brothers', they only care about business and Shabnam is no exception. And by the way, don't be so sure about Shabnam's ethnic, she herself doesn't know who her father is so how would you know?

If you make such a differences between them than why not between Pakistanis and Pashtuns of Afghanistan? Can´t see any logic and that thinking.

That's because you ignore logic thinking in places where you shouldn't. I was referring at Tajikistanis doing business with Afghanistan and the biggest example is their (copy-cat) music industry. It was you who went into making differences, not me.

Isn´t that the interests of all nations? If not making buisness how to have a market?

Again, you are not using logic where you should be. If not for business then Iran and Tajikistan wouldn't even know about Afghanistan, while Pakhtunkhwa has accepted more than five million of us without caring for their economics and business. See what I mean with realistic unity?

But since the topic is non-Pashtuns independance you shouldn´t worry on that. I guess Farsiwans of Afghanistan would join Tajikistan to one greater country.

The question is not what Tajiks of Afghanistan want, the question is what Tajiks of Tajikistan want? And after fencing their borders in 2001, I guess it's quiet clear what they don't want.

Of course they do. They have their interests in Afghanistan, their economical interests (gas and electricity and other natural resources) and political interests (Pakistan/Saud Arabia). That´s their right. Farsiwans of Afganistan and Central Asia share a lot with Indians and even with Pakistanis. Farsiwans took their culture and civilisation to India which gave the Indian Muslims a new identity.

There we go, I have spoken and you agreed. Oh and by the way, back then even Pakistanis were included in group of Muslims of India. Ask Pakistanis who holds more importance to them; Abdali? Or the Moghals?

[Toramana]

Hahahaaa, I am really scared of this lady i.e., Shayesta and avoid to argue with her. She is such a hard-hitter....can knock your jaws down in a debate.

[randolph85]

shayesta is a personal hero of mine.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

It´s time wasting with you discussing anything from an objective view. Your comments are based on your pride as Pashtun and many fake myths about Pashtuns. Instead discussing from a logical point.

If your Northern Alliance was man enough they would have been fighting the Taliban since the day they came to Kabul instead of fleeing, or at least not invited 100,000 troops and yet fail to eliminate the Taliban

They were men enough fighting the slaves to death. In 1996 they reorganized themself with the help of ISI in Pakistan. The first time they could enter Kabul was september 96. To prevent further destruction of Kabul Massoud decided to fight a defensive war and let pull out his troups from there. Without Pakistan, even the southern parts that were under their influence were already fallen down to a new government. You talking non-senses. You are not even related with the issue. We both know why you would even defend Taliban if it comes to ethnicity and breaking your fake myths. The only people who are coward were always you. As long you could beat and threaten an innocent and unarmed men, women, child you were feeling like a ''Sher'' but combating an armed opposition you proved your ''pride''. After 09/11 90% of the operation against the Taliban were led by NA and could you done against them, then? There are enough evidances showing who were cowards.

We don't need to save our backs from anyone nor are we scared of anyone, which I can't say about these brave anti-Taliban:

Of course you are not scared. Because Pakistan, it´s ISI and army became your masters. The anti-Taliban movement already threaten Karzai and his brothers to fight them again if they think they can come back and rule. Don´t worry, the movement against your masters and Taliban is running. We are not scared about ourself but more about the fact that foreign elements step into our country. And this time we are prepared for your kinds and know very well who the enemy is. You will see the cowardice of your brothers at the end.

Massoud's a$$ has been dealt with long time ago, and even his own men are being suspected in his murder. Let's hope for your Power Rangers (Northern Alliance) they don't rot same way their master did (for your sake). Pukhtoons don't freak out when speaking of Northern Alliance because they hardly form a permanent threat, unlike you who sh*t his pants as soon as the word 'Taliban' is out.

You **** in your pants when one is talking about Pakistan and ISI. We are strictly against Taliban in our country. They are even a sin to mention them. That´s the difference between us and you. You in fact support Taliban, you are Taliban, you provide the Taliban with their needs but when we step in front of your door you cry you are innocent and have nothing to do with the Taliban. People´s faces like yours are already revealed. That´s why there are several movements today.

Next time, make sure you don't provide a link written by an Iranian and even if you do, read it more carefully before posting it:

Quote:
Outside the royal court, homosexuality and homoerotic expressions were tolerated in numerous public places, from monasteries and seminaries to taverns, military camps, bathhouses, and coffee houses. In the early Safavid era (1501-1722), male houses of prostitution (amard khane) were legally recognized and paid taxes.
Literally all I could make out of the article is that the Greek brought this tradition, in Iran it became legalised, and then was practised in Afghanistan......? At last you provided a source and that also one which doesn't even prove your point!

ha ha ha ... you read in the book somewhere Iran and you assume it´s an Iranian source hahaha It wasn´t Iranian. You had just to scroll a bit more and read the text below. What Iran have or not does not matter. They are not part of Afghanistan. We both are talking about OUR boths country, not Iran. Don´t try to escape. What I wanted you to read had nothing to do with literature. You just need to scroll down.

Yes we do, in Herat where girls burn themselves alive after being married to a grandpa. Pukhtoons aren't sole aggressor in such cruelty, you have had your share as well.

I did not deny that. Thus I used the word ''mostly'' or ''mainly'' ... these women at least want to free themself unlike the majority of those innocent women and girls who are kept like prisons.

Or could even be 'nicked' from it's neighbours, which is exactly what Iran claims regarding Tajiks. Many Iranians still believe Tajiks are just a mixture of Turks-Arabs-Mongols and anyone and everyone else who invaded Persia.

Yeah sure. ''Many Iranians'' do even not know Tajiks speak a dialect of Farsi or that they exists. But they are related with ''Afghans'' who are descandants of ''Jews''. Beside that, what they assume or what is fact, there is a huge difference between these boths. Those who know Tajiks know Tajiks are their in fact cousins.

I can't be bother to search for links but I am sure you got some to share, so what's the delay about?

I do not care if you accept the facts or not. Those who are experienced and educated and lived the last 50 years or at least were born in the 70s will know those events. I guess you are to young.

Bullsh*t! You are only confirming you are not even an Afghan, forget half Pukhtoon-half Tajik. Follow Afghan news more often and tell me which funds go where in Afghanistan? Literally only Pukhtoon province being invested in massively is Nangarhar and that also because people of Nangarhar invest money in economics individually, not handing the money over to it's government. Did you even know Jalalabad is getting most exports in banking in entire of Afghanistan, and is economically one of the most stable parts?

Yeah? That´s good but what does mean for the reality outside your dreams?

Last time I was in Kabul, most college students (even Tajiks) were applying to join Nangarhar universities and Mazar was their second favourite, especially since Mazar isn't as tolerant of non-Mazaris as Jalalabadis are of non-Jalalabadis. Hmm. And no matter how many Uzbeks and Hazaras flood how many universities or schools in big cities, you have to live with the bitter fact that they are by far not more educated than Pukhtoons in big cities, nor will be.

ha ha ha ... a certain academian with the name Dr. Abdul Sirat Sattar did not become a president because of his ethnicity but a shoe-cleaner of the Americans with his criminal clan who are not even half educated as they claim became President and governeurs in Afghanistan. Believe me Shaysta sister, Hazaras and Uzbeks are by far more educated and more developed than Pashtuns. There just is no much sits and places for them in the government. Keep your nationalism for you. We do not talk here about Pashtuns, Tajiks or whatever. We talk here about Afghanistan.

And then people claim 'The Hashish Team' is to be found South in the country......

Of course it is. Since among the ANA there are many traitors who would kill their own comrades to support Taliban. All those drug-addicted soldiers are recruited mainly in the south where poppy grows and grows. That´s the reason why they talk of the ''south''.

Elaborate please. Nonetheless, it must have hurt to be ruled by people who were supposedly ruled by foreigners already, no? Heard of slaves before, but speaking of slaves of the slaves......

I see. Where are today those old ''rulers''? Where are today those privileged tribes and tribal men? How do their lifes look like? Come on ... from the second you denounced non-Pashtuns from government you suffered and modern Afghanistan is the result of your stupidity. Even Arabs could not manage anything without a Farsiwan AND THEY WERE VERY CIVILISED AND RELATED WITH STATES AND ADMINISTRATIUONS, how could an Indian from Dera Dun manage a country without a Farsiwan? That was not possible. That forced him to call some Farsiwans (Men of Pen) to his court. That caused undirectly also a Farsiwanification of the family. If this is still not a foreign kind of ruling than I still don´t know how to express.

When was a Tajik snatched off his language and culture? When was an Uzbek snatched off his language and culture? When was a Balochi snatched off his language and culture? Unlike Iran, 100% of the nation hasn't been forced Pukhto and Pukhtunwali upon.

Inform yourself about Pashtunization, AfghanMellat and the last 90 years.

Zahir Shah himself, nonetheless, contributed a lot to Afghanistan's economy. It's a different thing due to his ethnic people don't want to acknowledge that.

Can you name one? Everyone knows that Zahir Shah was Chars addicted and he was wasting his time more in such things than to the nation.

Zahir Shah: The Last King Of Afghanistan By Robert Fisk
[Islah-Net] Robert Fisk on Zahir Shah: The last king of Afghanistan

Except for language and religion, Hazaras got nothing in common with Iranians, nothing. If a Herati Tajik (for example) talks about similarities with Iran it will make sense, it just makes me laugh when any Hazara shouts out Iranian slogans. I am related to Pakhtunkhwa, not entire of Pakistan. Same-wise Hazaras are related to Turk-Mongolia, Uzbeks to Uzbekistan, and Tajiks to Iran/Tajikistan. Simple.

Relationship does not go via ethnical origin. Relationship goes via common identity. And what is the reason of identity? A common language, culture, customs, heritage (and belief). Arabs and Uzbeks became Pashtuns (Ahmadzais, Barakzais) the same way as Hazaras became part of that identity that Farsiwans, Hazaras, Tajiks, Iranians ... represent.

And who were included in list of ISI slaves (in name of Mujahideen) from Afghanistan? Only Pukhtoons? And who supported Russians even when they were at war with Afghanistan, neighbours of Iran?

Where is your logic? Pakistani did fight against Soviets, too. Pakistan was the only country in the region who allowed non-Pakistani elements to get trained by the CIA special agents and members of the German Army. Iran did not allow them because it knew that they could possibly cause problems. The slavery and loyality to Pakistan and ISI and many other groups began after the Soviets.

Karzai-Taliban co-working? Or you mean Karzai-Dostum-Fahim co-working? They are only preparing on how to secure their money after US' departure, nothing more and nothing less. Just like how they all vanished from face of earth when Taliban arrived, exactly same will happen once their daddies a.k.a. leave.

It was always a Karzai-Taliban and Pakistan co-working. Fahim kept himself by his own power. He lead the army, he let Karzai and his brothers sharing many of lands he bought, he is the vice-president because of his own ''zur'', not like Karzai who need other´s to establish him. Without Fahim he was and is nothing. He knows that and thus want the Taliban as his backbone. Fahim already turned himself off from him. The best man Karzai had is gone.

My content is same as it was before, Tajikistan doesn't care about their so-called 'blood-brothers', they only care about business and Shabnam is no exception. And by the way, don't be so sure about Shabnam's ethnic, she herself doesn't know who her father is so how would you know?

ha ha ha ... and who is your father? Do you 100% know that the money living with your mum is your real father? Please, stop talking BS. I see you are jealous about here. No matter what she is. She is accpeted among Farsiwan as part of them. Instead, go and deny the Arabs who claim beeing Pashtuns just to kill your children under the name of Islam or their fake political Jihad. Still there are 100 000 Arabs in the region.

That's because you ignore logic thinking in places where you shouldn't. I was referring at Tajikistanis doing business with Afghanistan and the biggest example is their (copy-cat) music industry. It was you who went into making differences, not me.

That´s their choice. It´s their people who sing in the same language. Beside that, many songs are very old poems of Farsiwans. They are all common people. If a Amir Jan Saburi says to Shabnam Suraya she has the right and permission to cover it than it is OK ... it´s not your deal or your work. The songs don´t belong to you. Noone cares what you think that´s why they can cover as much as they want. That´s the will of all participatings. If I decide that I want to play the song of Enriqe Eglesias on my piano tomorrow and I get his permission to bring it out I will do it. And every Latino can be against it but it does not change the facts that Iglesias and me had an agreement.

Again, you are not using logic where you should be. If not for business then Iran and Tajikistan wouldn't even know about Afghanistan, while Pakhtunkhwa has accepted more than five million of us without caring for their economics and business. See what I mean with realistic unity?

Oh yeah, they sleep and live in dirt for 30 years .... have to earn their monies with works that are inhuman and even your own proud Pakhtuns make fun of them. ... Tell that to a child sister. I was in Pakistan 1 year long and I saw how people live there outside Peshawar, Quetta, ...

The question is not what Tajiks of Afghanistan want, the question is what Tajiks of Tajikistan want? And after fencing their borders in 2001, I guess it's quiet clear what they don't want

So now you speak for Farsiwans? That means you don´t give them the same right? What is if they just take their rights? If they revolt today or tomorrow and replace the entire political situation? Can you deal with that? Well, they don´t give a sh** to your personal opinion or whishes or dreamings. That´s why Shabnam Suraya can cover songs of Farsiwans.

There we go, I have spoken and you agreed. Oh and by the way, back then even Pakistanis were included in group of Muslims of India. Ask Pakistanis who holds more importance to them; Abdali? Or the Moghals?

Of course the Mughals. They do not know any Pashtun dynasty. Every dynasty after Mughals they describe as Muslim dynasty. Ask one of the Pakistani Pashtun Users here. They will tell you the truth. As I said, the Mughals were close to us by language and culture, that´s why they share with us their Muslim Indo-Farsiwan culture. Abdali had no affect on them, except bringing a family with two faiths in one home to kill eachother either under the name of Islam or under the name of Hinduism.

[Nick]

They were men enough fighting the slaves to death. In 1996 they reorganized themself with the help of ISI in Pakistan. The first time they could enter Kabul was september 96. To prevent further destruction of Kabul Massoud decided to fight a defensive war and let pull out his troups from there. Without Pakistan, even the southern parts that were under their influence were already fallen down to a new government. You talking non-senses. You are not even related with the issue. We both know why you would even defend Taliban if it comes to ethnicity and breaking your fake myths. The only people who are coward were always you. As long you could beat and threaten an innocent and unarmed men, women, child you were feeling like a ''Sher'' but combating an armed opposition you proved your ''pride''. After 09/11 90% of the operation against the Taliban were led by NA and could you done against them, then? There are enough evidances showing who were cowards.



Of course you are not scared. Because Pakistan, it´s ISI and army became your masters. The anti-Taliban movement already threaten Karzai and his brothers to fight them again if they think they can come back and rule. Don´t worry, the movement against your masters and Taliban is running. We are not scared about ourself but more about the fact that foreign elements step into our country. And this time we are prepared for your kinds and know very well who the enemy is. You will see the cowardice of your brothers at the end.



You **** in your pants when one is talking about Pakistan and ISI. We are strictly against Taliban in our country. They are even a sin to mention them. That´s the difference between us and you. You in fact support Taliban, you are Taliban, you provide the Taliban with their needs but when we step in front of your door you cry you are innocent and have nothing to do with the Taliban. People´s faces like yours are already revealed. That´s why there are several movements today.



ha ha ha ... you read in the book somewhere Iran and you assume it´s an Iranian source hahaha It wasn´t Iranian. You had just to scroll a bit more and read the text below. What Iran have or not does not matter. They are not part of Afghanistan. We both are talking about OUR boths country, not Iran. Don´t try to escape. What I wanted you to read had nothing to do with literature. You just need to scroll down.



I did not deny that. Thus I used the word ''mostly'' or ''mainly'' ... these women at least want to free themself unlike the majority of those innocent women and girls who are kept like prisons.



Yeah sure. ''Many Iranians'' do even not know Tajiks speak a dialect of Farsi or that they exists. But they are related with ''Afghans'' who are descandants of ''Jews''. Beside that, what they assume or what is fact, there is a huge difference between these boths. Those who know Tajiks know Tajiks are their in fact cousins.



I do not care if you accept the facts or not. Those who are experienced and educated and lived the last 50 years or at least were born in the 70s will know those events. I guess you are to young.



Yeah? That´s good but what does mean for the reality outside your dreams?



ha ha ha ... a certain academian with the name Dr. Abdul Sirat Sattar did not become a president because of his ethnicity but a shoe-cleaner of the Americans with his criminal clan who are not even half educated as they claim became President and governeurs in Afghanistan. Believe me Shaysta sister, Hazaras and Uzbeks are by far more educated and more developed than Pashtuns. There just is no much sits and places for them in the government. Keep your nationalism for you. We do not talk here about Pashtuns, Tajiks or whatever. We talk here about Afghanistan.



Of course it is. Since among the ANA there are many traitors who would kill their own comrades to support Taliban. All those drug-addicted soldiers are recruited mainly in the south where poppy grows and grows. That´s the reason why they talk of the ''south''.



I see. Where are today those old ''rulers''? Where are today those privileged tribes and tribal men? How do their lifes look like? Come on ... from the second you denounced non-Pashtuns from government you suffered and modern Afghanistan is the result of your stupidity. Even Arabs could not manage anything without a Farsiwan AND THEY WERE VERY CIVILISED AND RELATED WITH STATES AND ADMINISTRATIUONS, how could an Indian from Dera Dun manage a country without a Farsiwan? That was not possible. That forced him to call some Farsiwans (Men of Pen) to his court. That caused undirectly also a Farsiwanification of the family. If this is still not a foreign kind of ruling than I still don´t know how to express.



Inform yourself about Pashtunization, AfghanMellat and the last 90 years.



Can you name one? Everyone knows that Zahir Shah was Chars addicted and he was wasting his time more in such things than to the nation.

Zahir Shah: The Last King Of Afghanistan By Robert Fisk
[Islah-Net] Robert Fisk on Zahir Shah: The last king of Afghanistan



Relationship does not go via ethnical origin. Relationship goes via common identity. And what is the reason of identity? A common language, culture, customs, heritage (and belief). Arabs and Uzbeks became Pashtuns (Ahmadzais, Barakzais) the same way as Hazaras became part of that identity that Farsiwans, Hazaras, Tajiks, Iranians ... represent.



Where is your logic? Pakistani did fight against Soviets, too. Pakistan was the only country in the region who allowed non-Pakistani elements to get trained by the CIA special agents and members of the German Army. Iran did not allow them because it knew that they could possibly cause problems. The slavery and loyality to Pakistan and ISI and many other groups began after the Soviets.



It was always a Karzai-Taliban and Pakistan co-working. Fahim kept himself by his own power. He lead the army, he let Karzai and his brothers sharing many of lands he bought, he is the vice-president because of his own ''zur'', not like Karzai who need other´s to establish him. Without Fahim he was and is nothing. He knows that and thus want the Taliban as his backbone. Fahim already turned himself off from him. The best man Karzai had is gone.



ha ha ha ... and who is your father? Do you 100% know that the money living with your mum is your real father? Please, stop talking BS. I see you are jealous about here. No matter what she is. She is accpeted among Farsiwan as part of them. Instead, go and deny the Arabs who claim beeing Pashtuns just to kill your children under the name of Islam or their fake political Jihad. Still there are 100 000 Arabs in the region.



That´s their choice. It´s their people who sing in the same language. Beside that, many songs are very old poems of Farsiwans. They are all common people. If a Amir Jan Saburi says to Shabnam Suraya she has the right and permission to cover it than it is OK ... it´s not your deal or your work. The songs don´t belong to you. Noone cares what you think that´s why they can cover as much as they want. That´s the will of all participatings. If I decide that I want to play the song of Enriqe Eglesias on my piano tomorrow and I get his permission to bring it out I will do it. And every Latino can be against it but it does not change the facts that Iglesias and me had an agreement.



Oh yeah, they sleep and live in dirt for 30 years .... have to earn their monies with works that are inhuman and even your own proud Pakhtuns make fun of them. ... Tell that to a child sister. I was in Pakistan 1 year long and I saw how people live there outside Peshawar, Quetta, ...



So now you speak for Farsiwans? That means you don´t give them the same right? What is if they just take their rights? If they revolt today or tomorrow and replace the entire political situation? Can you deal with that? Well, they don´t give a sh** to your personal opinion or whishes or dreamings. That´s why Shabnam Suraya can cover songs of Farsiwans.



Of course the Mughals. They do not know any Pashtun dynasty. Every dynasty after Mughals they describe as Muslim dynasty. Ask one of the Pakistani Pashtun Users here. They will tell you the truth. As I said, the Mughals were close to us by language and culture, that´s why they share with us their Muslim Indo-Farsiwan culture. Abdali had no affect on them, except bringing a family with two faiths in one home to kill eachother either under the name of Islam or under the name of Hinduism.

same crap you typed in afghanprofile lol Why not just post those articles at least people can read it. In 2007 you worked so hard in making them, so use them. LOL

[Nick]

shayesta is a personal hero of mine.

I knew Shayesta before you dude so back off she is my hero.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

same crap you typed in afghanprofile lol Why not just post those articles at least people can read it. In 2007 you worked so hard in making them, so use them. LOL

I once told you that you mistake me with someone else. Can you please prove anything of the crap you claim? I just looked for the page. I couldn´t find anything like that. Stop slandering.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

Asalamu Alaikum,

ok dear brothers and sisters,

since you are discussing a unification of Pashtuns in Central Asia and South-East Asia and several times called for an own country under the name Pashtunistan and do not give a thought about the non-Pashtuns in Afghanistan I opened this topic to discuss with you this issue but on non-Pashtuns. There are many people among non-Pashtuns, too, who have their maps and wishes and their political agendas. For example our Hazara brothers who want an independant Hazaraistan, the Tajiks who want to establish back their ancient country´s name Khorasan, the Uzbeks want to join their brothers in Uzbekistan or establish their own Khanata or being part of ''Unay Turkistan'', majority of Farsiwans in western Afghanistan either want to join the Khorasan idea or Iran, Balochistan for Baluchs. What is your thought about them? Since you, obviously, do not want a united Afghanistan, so would you allow them the same rights? Are you ready to tell them Ok go and join your brothers or call your own countries? I don´t think that Hazaras would accept to live with people who come from Pakistan and many times in the past, too, and who attacked them and killed their children. Or Tajiks accept to give their lands and homes to more Pashtuns. Uzbeks are warmonger and dislike many Pashtuns and wouldn´t allow them to settle to their regions.

So, let´s start again with the original message.

[graveyardofempires]

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**** off piece of ****

[Nick]

I once told you that you mistake me with someone else. Can you please prove anything of the crap you claim? I just looked for the page. I couldn´t find anything like that. Stop slandering.

Ohh I see so you looked at your Afghaprofil site and you couldn't see anything that matched with whatyou said?

I once told you that you mistake me with someone else

Oh yeah What you think you are so smart? You are a prove yourself. So don't act too smart I created a page, for the reason why should stop what you are currently doing.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

ok dear brothers and sisters,

since you are discussing a unification of Pashtuns in Central Asia and South-East Asia and several times called for an own country under the name Pashtunistan and do not give a thought about the non-Pashtuns in Afghanistan I opened this topic to discuss with you this issue but on non-Pashtuns. There are many people among non-Pashtuns, too, who have their maps and wishes and their political agendas. For example our Hazara brothers who want an independant Hazaraistan, the Tajiks who want to establish back their ancient country´s name Khorasan, the Uzbeks want to join their brothers in Uzbekistan or establish their own Khanata or being part of ''Unay Turkistan'', majority of Farsiwans in western Afghanistan either want to join the Khorasan idea or Iran, Balochistan for Baluchs. What is your thought about them? Since you, obviously, do not want a united Afghanistan, so would you allow them the same rights? Are you ready to tell them Ok go and join your brothers or call your own countries? I don´t think that Hazaras would accept to live with people who come from Pakistan and many times in the past, too, and who attacked them and killed their children. Or Tajiks accept to give their lands and homes to more Pashtuns. Uzbeks are warmonger and dislike many Pashtuns and wouldn´t allow them to settle to their regions. So, let´s start again with the original message.

Back to the main topic and original question. Please no off-topic. Thank you dear people.

[Michin Khel]

Hahahaaa, I am really scared of this lady i.e., Shayesta and avoid to argue with her. She is such a hard-hitter....can knock your jaws down in a debate.

She is irritating

[Nick]

Back to the main topic and original question. Please no off-topic. Thank you dear people.

Give this topic to some sick person like Latif Pedram the holly man