Non-Pashtuns independance?

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

Asalamu Alaikum,

ok dear brothers and sisters,

since you are discussing a unification of Pashtuns in Central Asia and South-East Asia and several times called for an own country under the name Pashtunistan and do not give a thought about the non-Pashtuns in Afghanistan I opened this topic to discuss with you this issue but on non-Pashtuns. There are many people among non-Pashtuns, too, who have their maps and wishes and their political agendas. For example our Hazara brothers who want an independant Hazaraistan, the Tajiks who want to establish back their ancient country´s name Khorasan, the Uzbeks want to join their brothers in Uzbekistan or establish their own Khanata or being part of ''Unay Turkistan'', majority of Farsiwans in western Afghanistan either want to join the Khorasan idea or Iran, Balochistan for Baluchs. What is your thought about them? Since you, obviously, do not want a united Afghanistan, so would you allow them the same rights? Are you ready to tell them Ok go and join your brothers or call your own countries? I don´t think that Hazaras would accept to live with people who come from Pakistan and many times in the past, too, and who attacked them and killed their children. Or Tajiks accept to give their lands and homes to more Pashtuns. Uzbeks are warmonger and dislike many Pashtuns and wouldn´t allow them to settle to their regions.

[graveyardofempires]

he is not even afghan
probably some tajokistani who could even call himself ahmad instead russians made their names like ahmadov masodov etc.
now he wants to attach his filthy self to Afghans

[شمله ور خراساني]

All Muslims should unite under one banner:

La illaha il allah!

No boundaries no borders no countries no nations. Just one nation. Nation of tawheed.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

All Muslims should unite under one banner:

La illaha il allah!

No boundaries no borders no countries no nations. Just one nation. Nation of tawheed.

But non-Pashtun Muslims do not accept Taliban Muslims or Pakistani Muslims who are influenced by Deobandis and other Wahabit groups and Pashtuns do not like Shia Muslims and vice versa. Many Pashtuns even dislike Tajiks. Such people are mostly among the Ghilzai Pashtuns. A hate that can be traced back at least 200 years. But please, go on the main topic. And look what a hypocrite brother graveyard is. He is pushing for a Pashtun state or Loy Pashtunistan and at the same time he thanks you for your words not deviding people. Double-face people tststs

[شمله ور خراساني]

But non-Pashtun Muslims do not accept Taliban Muslims or Pakistani Muslims who are influenced by Deobandis and other Wahabit groups and Pashtuns do not like Shia Muslims and vice versa. Many Pashtuns even dislike Tajiks. Such people are mostly among the Ghilzai Pashtuns. A hate that can be traced back at least 200 years. But please, go on the main topic. And look what a hypocrite brother graveyard is. He is pushing for a Pashtun state or Loy Pashtunistan and at the same time he thanks you for your words not deviding people. Double-face people tststs

The non-Pashtun Muslims who do not like other muslims have no choice. This is not a democracy. Sooner or later you will have to face the reality. The Khilafah is going to be established again. And all the non-Pashtun Muslims have to be educated to learn that allegiance is only to Allah and his messenger. Not an ethnicity, tribe or region.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

The non-Pashtun Muslims who do not like other muslims have no choice. This is not a democracy. Sooner or later you will have to face the reality. The Khilafah is going to be established again. And all the non-Pashtun Muslims have to be educated to learn that allegiance is only to Allah and his messenger. Not an ethnicity, tribe or region.

So you reject their rights and self-determination because of your utopic islamic Khalifat? You can not force them to anything they do not want. As once I stated, every ethnic has his own islamic ways and views. Tajiks differ from Pashtuns and Pashtuns differ from Hazaras. Hazaras differ from Iranians and Iranians differ from Uzbeks. Uzbeks differ from Turkmen and Turkmen differ from Nursitanis. The non-Pashtuns would never allow to get diminished cultural or linguistical or even ethnical and they are against influence of Wahabism, Deobandis, Pakistanis or Arabs and other foreigners. For what did they fight the last 30 years? Taliban established their Khalifat but were destroyed. A Khalifat can only be established by real Muslims, not satanic people or wahabits who hate human values. They were Kafars and god destroyed them. Kill an ant and you killed a living creature. You made a sin.

[Nick]

Asalamu Alaikum,

ok dear brothers and sisters,

since you are discussing a unification of Pashtuns in Central Asia and South-East Asia and several times called for an own country under the name Pashtunistan and do not give a thought about the non-Pashtuns in Afghanistan I opened this topic to discuss with you this issue but on non-Pashtuns. There are many people among non-Pashtuns, too, who have their maps and wishes and their political agendas. For example our Hazara brothers who want an independant Hazaraistan, the Tajiks who want to establish back their ancient country´s name Khorasan, the Uzbeks want to join their brothers in Uzbekistan or establish their own Khanata or being part of ''Unay Turkistan'', majority of Farsiwans in western Afghanistan either want to join the Khorasan idea or Iran, Balochistan for Baluchs. What is your thought about them? Since you, obviously, do not want a united Afghanistan, so would you allow them the same rights? Are you ready to tell them Ok go and join your brothers or call your own countries? I don´t think that Hazaras would accept to live with people who come from Pakistan and many times in the past, too, and who attacked them and killed their children. Or Tajiks accept to give their lands and homes to more Pashtuns. Uzbeks are warmonger and dislike many Pashtuns and wouldn´t allow them to settle to their regions.

There are many people among non-Pashtuns, too, who have their maps and wishes and their political agendas. For example our Hazara brothers who want an independant Hazaraistan

I have a solution. Despite I love my Hazara and Uzbek brothers I am forced to say this since you bring up this Bs argument.
Hazaras they can go back to Mongolia its still beautiful land,

the Tajiks who want to establish back their ancient country´s name Khorasan

There was no Khorasan its a fact just a geographical name people were stuck with it, just as Afghan race in Paksitan stuck with the word "Pathan".
Also since Tajik stock came after Mongolian era as well as their looks with Turkic its ok to say they can go to Mongolia, Turkistan, or move to Iran where the name still servived. But that's not a solution you are speaking for us Farsiwans as well? why? can't we just kick the immigrants back to Tajikistan where the came, and God I hate Abdur Rahman for his anti-Russian BS of allowing these Turkic Persian speakers.

Anyways the Uzbeks can go any time back, but the problem is they are stuck in afghanistan from business, culture and even their dialect is different from nothern Uzbeks. I think they would be ok to stay, and gave the land back to Pashtun Kochi tribe who lost their land of "Summer" to these immigrants.

Balochistan for Balochis, this group have lived as Afghan to the bone, sure they want to get seperatd from Pakistan and Iran but hey they are always saying "We are also Afghan" it makes sense since 45% of Balochi tribes are directly like us Farsiwans connected to some kind of tribe which is PAshtu speaking dominated. Be it its Barakis of Iran or popalzi of Pakistan. They were seperated by British and they are welcomed as Afghan any time.

Afghanistan is land of Afghans means that if we take out language and trace the roots of individual families not sure about Uzbek/Hazaras but for sure million will be taken out from 27% Tajik demographic as being Afghan. So if we add those people who are Afghan and iqnore their tongue. We will get 70% for sure if not 80%. And if we just count the number of people whose parents spoke PAshtu I am sure we would get like 60% easily as Pashtuns.
Hey I am not that racist, but if people want to fall into anti-Afghan idealogy, do not want to be part of Afghanistan sure makes sense to kick them out. After all if millions of non European jews were kicked out of Europe why can't same be heppening to non-Afghans of Afghanistan who are fighting for Iranians and Pakistanis

[شمله ور خراساني]

So you reject their rights and self-determination because of your utopic islamic Khalifat? You can not force them to anything they do not want. As once I stated, every ethnic has his own islamic ways and views. Tajiks differ from Pashtuns and Pashtuns differ from Hazaras. Hazaras differ from Iranians and Iranians differ from Uzbeks. Uzbeks differ from Turkmen and Turkmen differ from Nursitanis. The non-Pashtuns would never allow to get diminished cultural or linguistical or even ethnical and they are against influence of Wahabism, Deobandis, Pakistanis or Arabs and other foreigners. For what did they fight the last 30 years? Taliban established their Khalifat but were destroyed. A Khalifat can only be established by real Muslims, not satanic people or wahabits who hate human values. They were Kafars and god destroyed them. Kill an ant and you killed a living creature. You made a sin.

i didnt read it because your avatar is gay.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

I have a solution. Despite I love my Hazara and Uzbek brothers I am forced to say this since you bring up this Bs argument.
Hazaras they can go back to Mongolia its still beautiful land,

So, you want to take their rights for their own independance? Who are you? How you wanna do that? You have not even the dignity and honour to show your face here and put your address to show the Users here who you are and than tell us all your BS again. Talking behind PC is the only think you can. Isn´t that hypocrite. The Pashtuns are allowed to ask for Pashtunistan but Hazaras have not the right to establish their own country in a region where they are majority (90%)?

There was no Khorasan its a fact just a geographical name people were stuck with it, just as Afghan race in Paksitan stuck with the word "Pathan".

Afghan is not a race, it´s a national identity. Race is Negride, Mongolide, White .... Ethnicity is Pashtun, Tajik, Hazara. As I wrote, go and finish first the 9th class. Your explanation about Khorasan is not only weak but also show your stupidity. Yes, Khorasan was the name of a region and many non-Pashtuns want to establish the name back on Afghanistan, at least there were non-Pashtuns live. Khorasan represents all those you are proud of and try to steal.

Also since Tajik stock came after Mongolian era as well as their looks with Turkic its ok to say they can go to Mongolia, Turkistan, or move to Iran where the name still servived.

Ok, not Tajik, despite 40% of Afghanistan are Tajiks and you do not have the right to deny the identity of any person. Let´s say Farsiwan. So, what´s with Farsiwan? (Btw, I do not know why I ask you. You are an Arab, a semite whose parents came with OSB to Afghanistan. You do not represent Pashtuns or non-Pashtuns) Have they the rights to establish their Khorasan if Pashtuns have their ''United Pashtunistan''?

But that's not a solution you are speaking for us Farsiwans as well? why? can't we just kick the immigrants back to Tajikistan where the came, and God I hate Abdur Rahman for his anti-Russian BS of allowing these Turkic Persian speakers.

You are no Farsiwan. Farsiwans are Shia and Dari-speaking western Tajiks, despite the fact that the word also means Persian. Farsiwans give a **** abt you and your comments. That´s why they allied themself under NA against your parents and brothers coming from Pakistan. You can not even kick Arabs or Chechens out (also living in a foreign country), how do you want to ''kick'' the native people of Afghanistan? They smashed your faces on the holly ground of that country several times and today your own Arab brothers and Pakis do the same with you. What will you do? Just be man enough and show your face and tell that to any Farsiwan, even to types like me who are half-half. They would teach you a lesson or cut you directly in pieces and feed you to dogs. Keep a beghairat and benamoos. That´s for what you are famous for 6 years. But don´t worry, since I know some of your relations we both will meet one day eachother, too.

Anyways the Uzbeks can go any time back, but the problem is they are stuck in afghanistan from business, culture and even their dialect is different from nothern Uzbeks. I think they would be ok to stay, and gave the land back to Pashtun Kochi tribe who lost their land of "Summer" to these immigrants.

Racist boy, Uzbeks came to Afghanistan and settled there for 500 years ago. They are native to northern parts. You could not drive them out there the last decades how can you do it tomorrow or today? In return they kicked you out people like you of Takhar, Samanagan, Faryab, Jauzjan. The only people who are immigrants in these regions are Kuchis and so-called Naqleens. Those lands you claim for Kuchis were once stolen or taken by force by Nader Shah, the father of Zaher Shah.

Balochistan for Balochis, this group have lived as Afghan to the bone, sure they want to get seperatd from Pakistan and Iran but hey they are always saying "We are also Afghan" it makes sense since 45% of Balochi tribes are directly like us Farsiwans connected to some kind of tribe which is PAshtu speaking dominated. Be it its Barakis of Iran or popalzi of Pakistan. They were seperated by British and they are welcomed as Afghan any time.

BS. You have never met a Baluch. These are the claims of a worthless person. Baluchs were never Afghans or part of Afghans. They had never claimed or called themself as Afghans. They had never supported Afghans, neither Pashtuns nor any other non-Pashtun people. You uneducated moron, Baluchi is related with Kurdish. Far away from Pashtu and Pakhtu, a language that is spoken in eastern Turkey, Iraq and north-western Iran. Keep BSiting. Baluchs feel Pashtuns as hostile to their country, to their ethnic, to their language and identity. Why do they fight the Pashtuns? Why do they fight for Quetta against the dominate group there, the Pashtuns? Baluchs want an own state for themself. Claiming to much and inventing any new BS and always accusing like a paranoide other sources as pro-Iran or Shia here and there while you never provided a single link or reference to your own claims. Very suspect Than please, provide us with your sources that are not ''pro-Shia'' or ''pro-Iranian''.

So if we add those people who are Afghan and iqnore their tongue. We will get 70% for sure if not 80%. And if we just count the number of people whose parents spoke PAshtu I am sure we would get like 60% easily as Pashtuns.

Can you prove that? According to all major studies Pashtu is spoken by 35%. Beside that, why Uzbeks and Hazaras are now not part of your ''Afghan'' calculation but ''Farsiwans'' are? Ridicolous and pathetic.

After all if millions of non European jews were kicked out of Europe why can't same be heppening to non-Afghans of Afghanistan who are fighting for Iranians and Pakistanis

So, Pakistanis have the right to join Afghanistan or Pashtuns have the right to unify themself with Pathan Pakistanis but non-Pashtuns dont have the right. Who will kick them out? You? Didn´t you try it the last 6 years and how many times did they spit in your face and make out of you a loser, a fool and an alien to every corner of Afghanistan and every Farsiwan? LOL Have you the b***s, the Ghairat, Namoos, Nang, Honar and are you a real man to tell that to those into their faces?

Keep sitting before you get wet pants, Nick brother. You are a hypocrite. That´s all. Someone who have not even an identity but is forced to speak in my father´s language hahaha, is forced to accept ''Shia'' culture and language, ''Shia'' books in Kabul, Balkh, Herat, Jalalabad, Kandahar ... University. I understand your hate but hey, it was not our fault that you suffer under ID crises. Who called you to come to urbane places of Afghanistan? The only one who will get kicked out of the country will be people like you. They already kicked you out ... Pashtuns, Tajiks, Hazaras, Turkmen, Uzbeks and many more all united. Neither the right wings wanted you nor the left wing. Do you really think you can deny the rights of Hazaras, Uzbeks, ''Farsiwans'' enjoying Khorasan, Iran, Uzbekistan, Hazaristan or whatever? How do you want to stop them or send them back to ''Mongolia''? Again begging on your knees for your Pakistani and Arab brothers to rescue your back? Do you know that the NA (I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ANA OR ANP!) is no more the same as 2001? Do you know they reorganized and reformed themself and become much better, by far much better than the old cader of Massoud? They enjoy Black Water and KSK trainings to fight your brothers if they step only one inch toward Afghanistan? Let´s see how you traitor will deal and kick their a*** ... We will see how much ghairat and namoos you have (as we´ve seen in the last 6 years ) and who will kick whom out from beautiful Afghanistan as long noone make any stupid claims on Pakistani territory.

Now to the educated Users here. What is your thought on that topic dear brothers and sisters?

[kurd123]

They can decide whether to join or not join them via a referendum.

[Nick]

So, you want to take their rights for their own independance? Who are you? How you wanna do that? You have not even the dignity and honour to show your face here and put your address to show the Users here who you are and than tell us all your BS again. Talking behind PC is the only think you can. Isn´t that hypocrite. The Pashtuns are allowed to ask for Pashtunistan but Hazaras have not the right to establish their own country in a region where they are majority (90%)?

Afghan is not a race, it´s a national identity. Race is Negride, Mongolide, White .... Ethnicity is Pashtun, Tajik, Hazara. As I wrote, go and finish first the 9th class. Your explanation about Khorasan is not only weak but also show your stupidity. Yes, Khorasan was the name of a region and many non-Pashtuns want to establish the name back on Afghanistan, at least there were non-Pashtuns live. Khorasan represents all those you are proud of and try to steal.

Ok, not Tajik, despite 40% of Afghanistan are Tajiks and you do not have the right to deny the identity of any person. Let´s say Farsiwan. So, what´s with Farsiwan? (Btw, I do not know why I ask you. You are an Arab, a semite whose parents came with OSB to Afghanistan. You do not represent Pashtuns or non-Pashtuns) Have they the rights to establish their Khorasan if Pashtuns have their ''United Pashtunistan''?

You are no Farsiwan. Farsiwans are Shia and Dari-speaking western Tajiks, despite the fact that the word also means Persian. Farsiwans give a **** abt you and your comments. That´s why they allied themself under NA against your parents and brothers coming from Pakistan. You can not even kick Arabs or Chechens out (also living in a foreign country), how do you want to ''kick'' the native people of Afghanistan? They smashed your faces on the holly ground of that country several times and today your own Arab brothers and Pakis do the same with you. What will you do? Just be man enough and show your face and tell that to any Farsiwan, even to types like me who are half-half. They would teach you a lesson or cut you directly in pieces and feed you to dogs. Keep a beghairat and benamoos. That´s for what you are famous for 6 years. But don´t worry, since I know some of your relations we both will meet one day eachother, too.

Racist boy, Uzbeks came to Afghanistan and settled there for 500 years ago. They are native to northern parts. You could not drive them out there the last decades how can you do it tomorrow or today? In return they kicked you out people like you of Takhar, Samanagan, Faryab, Jauzjan. The only people who are immigrants in these regions are Kuchis and so-called Naqleens. Those lands you claim for Kuchis were once stolen or taken by force by Nader Shah, the father of Zaher Shah.

BS. You have never met a Baluch. These are the claims of a worthless person. Baluchs were never Afghans or part of Afghans. They had never claimed or called themself as Afghans. They had never supported Afghans, neither Pashtuns nor any other non-Pashtun people. You uneducated moron, Baluchi is related with Kurdish. Far away from Pashtu and Pakhtu, a language that is spoken in eastern Turkey, Iraq and north-western Iran. Keep BSiting. Baluchs feel Pashtuns as hostile to their country, to their ethnic, to their language and identity. Why do they fight the Pashtuns? Why do they fight for Quetta against the dominate group there, the Pashtuns? Baluchs want an own state for themself. Claiming to much and inventing any new BS and always accusing like a paranoide other sources as pro-Iran or Shia here and there while you never provided a single link or reference to your own claims. Very suspect Than please, provide us with your sources that are not ''pro-Shia'' or ''pro-Iranian''.



Can you prove that? According to all major studies Pashtu is spoken by 35%. Beside that, why Uzbeks and Hazaras are now not part of your ''Afghan'' calculation but ''Farsiwans'' are? Ridicolous and pathetic.

So, Pakistanis have the right to join Afghanistan or Pashtuns have the right to unify themself with Pathan Pakistanis but non-Pashtuns dont have the right. Who will kick them out? You? Didn´t you try it the last 6 years and how many times did they spit in your face and make out of you a loser, a fool and an alien to every corner of Afghanistan and every Farsiwan? LOL Have you the b***s, the Ghairat, Namoos, Nang, Honar and are you a real man to tell that to those into their faces?

Keep sitting before you get wet pants, Nick brother. You are a hypocrite. That´s all. Someone who have not even an identity but is forced to speak in my father´s language hahaha, is forced to accept ''Shia'' culture and language, ''Shia'' books in Kabul, Balkh, Herat, Jalalabad, Kandahar ... University. I understand your hate but hey, it was not our fault that you suffer under ID crises. Who called you to come to urbane places of Afghanistan? The only one who will get kicked out of the country will be people like you. They already kicked you out ... Pashtuns, Tajiks, Hazaras, Turkmen, Uzbeks and many more all united. Neither the right wings wanted you nor the left wing. Do you really think you can deny the rights of Hazaras, Uzbeks, ''Farsiwans'' enjoying Khorasan, Iran, Uzbekistan, Hazaristan or whatever? How do you want to stop them or send them back to ''Mongolia''? Again begging on your knees for your Pakistani and Arab brothers to rescue your back? Do you know that the NA (I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ANA OR ANP!) is no more the same as 2001? Do you know they reorganized and reformed themself and become much better, by far much better than the old cader of Massoud? They enjoy Black Water and KSK trainings to fight your brothers if they step only one inch toward Afghanistan? Let´s see how you traitor will deal and kick their a*** ... We will see how much ghairat and namoos you have (as we´ve seen in the last 6 years ) and who will kick whom out from beautiful Afghanistan as long noone make any stupid claims on Pakistani territory.

Now to the educated Users here. What is your thought on that topic dear brothers and sisters?

I am old and not as young to read childish complaints and still once I read I will
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[kurd123]

Baloch were originally Kurds that migrated to the regions they live in now to defend the Median empire borders, although they have heavily mixed with locals so I would not consider them to be Kurds anymore.

[Michin Khel]

Afghani pashtuns should focus more on their fellow tajiks, uzbeks and hazaras than on us. Pashtuns there are not proving themeselves as nice and responsible magority.
We pashtuns of pakistan wont join afghanistan in near future, so no need of division of afghanistan.

[graveyardofempires]

Afghani pashtuns should focus more on their fellow tajiks, uzbeks and hazaras than on us. Pashtuns there are not proving themeselves as nice and responsible magority.
We pashtuns of pakistan wont join afghanistan in near future, so no need of division of afghanistan.

you speak for a minority and poonjas

remember there were also Pashtuns who were slaves of british in the raj times.
you are noi better,so speak for yourself and dont say we cuz its just you.

[Michin Khel]

Why not? How come some Pashtuns across imaginary lines don't want to unite with their own Pashtuns? But would rather be with Punjabies?

Why you specifically mentioned punjabis? Pakistan is federation of four ethnicities.