Non-Pashtuns independance?

[ScimitarXEdge]

by the way I have provided evidence for my sources

if you want more direct evidence behold for yourself
The First Anglo-Afghan War - The British in Kabul, the death of Macnaghten and Burnes

. Some officers even sent for their wives and families to come join them and it is perhaps a pity that not more had done so for many officers cast lecherous eyes at the dark-eyed women of Kabul and liaisons, not particulary discreet, became common. In a land were pederasty was more often viewed as a preference rather than a sin, this was a dangerous tack to take. The women could be frighteningly willing but their cuckolded husbands remained just that, cuckolds. The bitterness of these men would stoke the fires of Afghan discontent and help lead to disaster. When the city finally exploded and the killing began, they would be in the forefront of the mob.

[Azmal]

^ Such inappropriate use of language really isn't need, Scimitar. No matter how much freedom women of Kabul enjoyed, many original Kabulis (I am not speaking about the immigrants since past few decades) were people of respect and knowledge. They have maintained a very healthy lifestyle and the very same reason why people from various areas Kabulized in a jiffy was because of the accepting and warm society of Kabul, so please keep politics and women separate from each other.

well said...but the problem is Zoboomafoo is a pervert!!! He had confessed he was lusting his Arab cousins wife….worst he nor his parents have ever set a foot in Afghanistan…let alone Kabul jan...all he knows about Afghanistan is from internet…so don’t blame him.


To one called Kabulzada(you sound more like lahourzada)
Your main and almost the only presentation of your character in this board are an expression of extreme hatred toward a very large group of people namely Pashtons. Such an extreme behavior is an indication of a very sick individual or a paid participant.

I hope the following statement will burn you: Tel De We Afghanistan!!!.

ps: to others...as for as Anglo-Afghan war...does it really matters? Pitiful some cyber-warriors trying to prove superiority of one group of Afghan over other...worst some of those arguing are not even Afghan lol. The glory goes to all Afghans...please read real history other then bs of Wakipida.

[Azmal]

by the way I have provided evidence for my sources

if you want more direct evidence behold for yourself
The First Anglo-Afghan War - The British in Kabul, the death of Macnaghten and Burnes

A sources by a "Kafir imperialist"(your own word) is as valid as your Sahak Pashton ancestor! Let’s not forget this imperialist version of history--written after getting a whipping--- first time in their history.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Azmal, it seems you want to project your own deficiencies on me. remember on other forums how you cried to all of us about how you went and bought books from Amazon.com to feel more Pashtun.

your only way to being in Afghanistan came as Hindu slaves for our ancestors. So stop fooling yourself in trying to personify yourself as legitimate when you clearly are not.

[Shayesta]

@Azmal
Scimitar is all right, yes sometimes I do think he is getting a bit too personal and I dislike his habit of bringing up what happened to women of certain areas during certain wars. I don't always agree with him but as long as he speaks with sources, I think it's fair enough him trying to prove his point.

And about Kabulzada, let him be. I don't want him to get banned because that would mean this forum couldn't handle him and he will leave thinking his 'truth' wasn't accepted by us. But the truth is that this forum can handle him and we can see the difference between his imaginary truth and actual truth. Right now he is speaking in a much lower tone and hopefully it will stay like that.

[ScimitarXEdge]

A sources by a "Kafir imperialist"(your own word) is as valid as your Sahak Pashton ancestor! Let’s not forget this imperialist version of history--written after getting a whipping--- first time in their history.

You're a total contradiction; you take all sorts of Information from farangiyan and even extol slaves of Farangiyan like Amanullah, but then you're saying they have no credibility.


Do you live in denial or what?

[ScimitarXEdge]

@Azmal
Scimitar is all right, yes sometimes I do think he is getting a bit too personal and I dislike his habit of bringing up what happened to women of certain areas during certain wars. I don't always agree with him but as long as he speaks with sources, I think it's fair enough him trying to prove his point.

And about Kabulzada, let him be. I don't want him to get banned because that would mean this forum couldn't handle him and he will leave thinking his 'truth' wasn't accepted by us. But the truth is that this forum can handle him and we can see the difference between his imaginary truth and actual truth. Right now he is speaking in a much lower tone and hopefully it will stay like that.

What happened to women of certain areas is a crucial discussion as GHAIRAT and NAMOUS are central Themes in Afghan values; how women are relegated is important. You may dislike it; but the concept of Ghairat is exactly why we this issues are important, we don't live in denial; we confront things. Staying hush hush and quiet about indignities only allows indignities to persist.

and thank you for understanding my point, I'm not trying to shoot down Tajiks; but rather discredit Tajik Nationalists; it's sad that our Muslim sisters were degraded by these Farangyan who Azmal and others act as House Slaves for. I dont take pride in this, but it's also important that people like Kabulzada know who rescued them from their humiliation.

[Toramana]

What happened to women of certain areas is a crucial discussion as GHAIRAT and NAMOUS are central Themes in Afghan values; how women are relegated is important. You may dislike it; but the concept of Ghairat is exactly why we this issues are important, we don't live in denial; we confront things. Staying hush hush and quiet about indignities only allows indignities to persist.

and thank you for understanding my point, I'm not trying to shoot down Tajiks; but rather discredit Tajik Nationalists; it's sad that our Muslim sisters were degraded by these Farangyan who Azmal and others act as House Slaves for. I dont take pride in this, but it's also important that people like Kabulzada know who rescued them from their humiliation.

But you are from Yimin right....? So what you have to do with Pashtun values i.e., Pashtunwali? Hope you answer this satisfactorily.

[ScimitarXEdge]

But you are from Yimin right....? So what you have to do with Pashtun values i.e., Pashtunwali? Hope you answer this satisfactorily.

But even Yemenis are closer to being Pashtun than slaves of Farangis such as you; Hope that was satisfactory

[ScimitarXEdge]

I'm a Hotak, one of the most reputable tribes of Afghanistan, and yet he has the nerve to pretend my dad's not from Afghanistan

while Toramana lives in Canada with a Pakistani passport; it amazes me.

[Toramana]

I'm a Hotak, one of the most reputable tribes of Afghanistan, and yet he has the nerve to pretend my dad's not from Afghanistan

while Toramana lives in Canada with a Pakistani passport; it amazes me.

Kha kha ma tha na wa patha ...bakhana ghwarama...khapa na shai

[Toramana]

Scimitar is pashtun, a Ghiljay, although with a little flawed mentality due to some of his ideas which are incorrect.

Alaka agha ghwandal khan dai sa ko...cha Gatmo tha kho na dai rasawalai? kho yara tha la Pakhto ham na darzi...

[Alchemist]

@Azmal
Scimitar is all right, yes sometimes I do think he is getting a bit too personal and I dislike his habit of bringing up what happened to women of certain areas during certain wars. I don't always agree with him but as long as he speaks with sources, I think it's fair enough him trying to prove his point.

And about Kabulzada, let him be. I don't want him to get banned because that would mean this forum couldn't handle him and he will leave thinking his 'truth' wasn't accepted by us. But the truth is that this forum can handle him and we can see the difference between his imaginary truth and actual truth. Right now he is speaking in a much lower tone and hopefully it will stay like that.

So it's all right to say to call other's mothers *****s and say to them that "Pashtuns saved your whoring women and your men's izat from british raj"... and make laudable boasts like "you were the slaves of pashtuns"?

You guys have some sort of twisted misplaced pride in your selves. This is apparent when you show pride in having leaders that frequently raided and theived in india and massacred helpless people just because they are "farangees"...and today you yourselves are farangees in those people's land living the life. Show some humility and fear Allah.

There is a kernal of truth in what Albani says as well. Karzai and co. is selling Afghanistan to the world and US in particular, Mullah Omar had sold Afghanistan to Saudi and ISI ambitions, Babrak Karmal sold Afghanistan to Russia, Amanullah Khan sold half of Afghanistan to England...even Ahmad Shah Durrani was a soldier of Nader Shah (persian) when he helped him over throw the first pashtun dynasty of Afghanistan, the hotaki. If you actually read the history of the royals of Afghanistan for the past 250 years it is mared with betrayals...father killing son, nephew killing uncle, brother killing brother...for power and for glory.

I am not defending kabulzada...maybe he is some covert spy of Tajikistan like some of you believe...maybe not. But what is clear to me is that as long as a pashtun is bad mouthing non pashtuns you have no problem...as soon as some criticism of pashtun's role in afghanistan is made you turn to a fierce e-combat girl to the cheers and glee of boys. If you guys can't accept faults, you can't over turn the past. The hatchets must be burried... these phrases like "bacha bayreesh"...and idioms like "you hazars were slaves of pashtuns"...and "we saved you from infidals" are childish to say the least. These are reminants of an old grudge that has been passed down after hundreds of years ...back when pashtuns were fighting the mughals ...switching camps between persians and mongols. Today all afghans, of all sorts of historical linkages are suffering an equal humiliation...throwing feces at each other won't make things better for any of us. Believe me ...throwing dirt around is easy... I could do what swordboy is doing easily to insight animosity...but I don't have his childish cliched mentality...that is more fitting for the comment section of some stupid racist youtube vid...I hope just like how you don't tolerate snot from kabulzada, you would, at least, not tolerate crap from swordboy.

I have lost all respect for swordboy. The more I pay attention to his shenanigens the more apparent it becomes that he is a just here to impress some pashtana by making himself appear more than he actually is afghan.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Alchemist, dude

I'm reading your post and I know most of the theatrics within it you don't believe as being valid namely " you yourselves are farangees"; you of all people should know that we're here in Farangi lands precisely because of farangi interference and exploitation of our lands and the Global Environment as a whole. None of this was really decided for us; we simply had few other options when it came to coming up with a counter strategy.

You seem to think that I somehow don't see Pashtun flaws

Albani is HALF right, many many Pashtun leaders have failed miserably and patheticaly, but so have the Tajik leaders, I was only highlighting the Tajik leaders and their failures so he would come off his false pedastal of the blame game.

Do you deny that what happened in Kabul in the 1840's didn't happen? I dont deny that Najib was an evil wretch, that Mullah Omar is a gullible patsy who has allowed himself to be manipulated by the ISI which is an imperial proxy. That Amanullah was a moral degenerate who let French and Germans kiss his wife, that Abdur Rahman Khan allowed the British to dominate and rule over his people.

I acknowledge these ....but I also acknowledge Massoud was a Soviet Collaborator and was originally trained in Pakistan by the same ISI he alleged to be against. That Northern Alliance were essentially rape mongering oppressors; that the men of Kabul, who were yes mainly Tajik at that couldn't do anything about their wives getting screwed by British soldiers and begged Pashtuns to help them so this would stop.

Do you have that same brutal honesty?

[Shayesta]

@Scimitar
When someone doesn't want to talk about women in these regards then it's not because he is oppressing his 'Ghairat', but that's because in each conflict our women have suffered the most and each time you bring women and their history into this, it only increases the pain. No women upon her own wish surrenders herself to a foreigner on her own soil, those women have been forced to and their men have not always been strong enough to protect their women's honour. That's why even previously in the thread regarding Najibullah I had already asked you to keep women out of this, it only gives people more reason to doubt your intention and behaviour, even though you have been as much critical of Pukhtoon hard-core nationalists as you have been of non-Pukhtoon hard-core nationalists.


@Alchemist
Instead of giving me lectures and keep jumping to conclusions, all you needed to do is apply the same 'logic' and 'humanity' to both Kabulzada and those who argue with them. And you are not defending Kabulzada? Yeah, right. I know very well what his point is and you don't need to clarify his points to me, I understand his intentions more than you think. Nor do I need cheering from anyone for my arguments, if that's what you see it as then I can't help your misconceptions. I argue for my own sake and because I know what I am talking about, even if the entire forum shows disregards against it, it won't change my words nor mind. And now as for history:

Whoever's soldier Baba was, at the end he had his own empire which was even joined by Tajiks, it was not an 'oppressing' Pukhtoon empire. Amanullah was the one winning independence over interference of the British, he did not sell the country. We got Abdur Rahman to thank for that. If we had (majority) Pukhtoons under Khalqis who sold Afghanistan to Communists, then we also had (majority) Tajiks under Parchams who did the same. If we got Taliban who sold Afghanistan to foreigners, then we also got Northern Alliance selling our land to foreigners. If sold-outs like Hekmatyar have destroyed Kabul for power, then so have sold-outs like Massoud. If Karzai is being an American dog today, then so is Fahim. And about the massacre of Indians and the British, once again, that very same Wiki claims it has not been confirmed that Akbar Khan actually has ordered any such massacre. Leaving aside the fact that even if they were killed then it wasn't for them being foreigners who came for vacations or anything, it had to do with the fact they were supporters of the British invaders of Kabul. Aren't you seriously seeing the difference here?

And for the last time I am clarifying to you what I clarified to Kabulzada as well (and you both ignored), is that I don't have a problem with him being critical of current Afghan situation or it's leadership over the years, not all. Nor do I have a problem with his criticism of massacre of the innocent, no. My problem with him is his intentions, his reasons. My problem with him is his constant criticism of Pukhtoon leadership, constant criticism of Pukhtoon history, constant criticism of Pukhtoon culture, and his constant lies against Pukhtoons without any prove whatsoever! And that's not even the main problem. Another things are like the fact he keeps refusing to speak against even one non-Pukhtoon politician/leader and very comically believes that every non-Pukhtoon politician today is in power because of his own capability. And, his claims of that literally every Pukhtoon leader/politician has only ruled thanks to foreigners only and got no power of his own. For you, he might be right at his place and even be speaking the truth. As for myself, I am not being ignored by him because of my 'so-called pride'. I am being ignored because he failed to provide evidences in the threads where I asked him to, he failed to falsify the evidences I provided him at threads where necessary. For someone who would even badmouth Pukhtoons if he criticizes Tajikistan and Iran, what honesty towards Afghanistan do you actually expect from him? You can through all our posts all you want, you won't find any post of mine where I constantly praised Pukhtoon leaders and constantly insulted non-Pukhtoon ones. You will only find posts of me to his replies where he criticised Pukhtoons for an ill, and I showed him how non-Pukhtoons haven't been far behind. Go on, go through those posts again before speaking of neutrality.

As for Scimitar and Comrade's remarks towards Kabulzada, can you show even one of their posts full of insults towards women which have been thanked by me? With Scimitar I have had arguments previously in a different thread where he was attacking 'Ghairat' of Pukhtoons amongst Communists as much as he is attacked Kabulzada's nationalistic 'Ghairat'. I have said before that I don't agree with his way of arguing and I have several times in previous threads asked him to keep women out of political discussions, you can ask Scimitar himself. As for me now, I have spoken and made my point. Anyone disagreeing with me? Then bring forward your arguments, even I can jump to conclusions and false accusations.