Osama Bin Laden dead (Confirmed)?

[khushal]

What I am curious about is what was the gain at this point for the ISI? It appeared that the Afghan game was moving towards a stalemate. Why turn him over now? Is this because the CIA-ISI conflict was escalating? Was it moving to the point where drone positions were being taken across the border and Petraeus being moved to the CIA indicated to the Pakistani Military Complex that it was in the cross hairs? Was the funding about to be cut?

It is odd that the ISI gave him up now. They had to get something for it or they were pressured enough. They would not give him up for nothing. I think the US finally used their ace card. the Pakistani are afraid of one thing and that is its sovereignty and its questionable territorial borders. I think the US told them that they will side with Afghanistan about the Durand line in the international arena, This fear might have led the Pakistani to give him up. The US can easily flex its economic and military muscle to bring other nations to side with Afghanistan on the issue.

Also if they knew exactly where he was, I think they could have captured him alive rather than kill him in a firefight. Why did they not capture him alive and tried him in court like Saddam. What would the ramification be if he were captured alive. Would he have been a more powerful figure on trial, in jail. Many many questions.

[Azmal]

I think Paki est didn't know about the matter...the mere fact that he was killed in Pakistan is a question mark on the role of Pakistan in tolerating terrorism and if not that, its capability to track terrorists.

I would agree…I can speculate…Pakis didn’t know…if we keep the recent ….during election…Obama clearly stated if he comes to know of Osama hiding in Pakistan, he will get him, without any hesitation or informing anyone. Notice Obama said US has OBL body…this tells me…American went there alone…maybe with some of pakis they keep in their payroll.
Pakistan needs to get ready for revenge attack by Alqahda and "Pakistani Taliban"…inshallah sooner then later Pakistan will die her natural death.

[Toramana]

Come on Toramana, Abbotabad? You and I both know that they knew exactly where he was. Look for Omar Hotak to be next at least Zahwari. This sort of behavior, of playing puppetry with people's wars for dignity reveals the sick face of the Pakistani government.

I mean they didn't know that Americans had tracked him down...There is a trust deficit between the two...I mean the mere fact that he was murdered deep inside Pakistan (which Obama emphatically mentioned) indicates Pakistani establishment wasn't in the know of the things...If the operation had been carried out with the help and permission of Pakistani establishment, US could have mentiioned FATA as his place of hiding as not to cause Pakistan an international embarrassment....

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Ghundal and other ISI stooges would be sad ...their country - Pakistan got exposed once again to the int'l commnunity and has been "necessarily and sufficiently" proved as a den of terrorists.

Its absolutely worse than that brother. These people, if you pause and think about it, felt disenfranchized by the US intervening in their region. Fisk and others record their legitimate gripes. Pakistan supported their struggle for a profit and for its sustained feudalism. Both sides, those who oppose the Islamist Insurgency and Islamists ought to pause and reflect on this. Take as an example the contrast of Sudan, which politely ejected them and made it clear that its soil was not usable. Its really not feasible that Pakistan did not support all this. As Abdul Salaam Zaeef said, its the snake with two heads.

[laevanay]

It is odd that the ISI gave him up now. They had to get something for it or they were pressured enough. They would not give him up for nothing. I think the US finally used their ace card. the Pakistani are afraid of one thing and that is its sovereignty and its questionable territorial borders. I think the US told them that they will side with Afghanistan about the Durand line in the international arena, This fear might have led the Pakistani to give him up. The US can easily flex its economic and military muscle to bring other nations to side with Afghanistan on the issue.

Also if they knew exactly where he was, I think they could have captured him alive rather than kill him in a firefight. Why did they not capture him alive and tried him in court like Saddam. What would the ramification be if he were captured alive. Would he have been a more powerful figure on trial, in jail. Many many questions.

LOLzzz US siting with Afghanistan on the Durrand line... how we latch onto any bit of hope... however unbelievable... Pak did not give him up... they took him out without them knowing .....

[pir_Rokhan]

because pakistan has always been an ally and has usually served US interests. america fears pakistan, not because of its military or anything silly like that, they are afraid of what will happen when the state collapses. that is why the US puts up with paki shinanigans from time to time.

You are right in your assessment about the fear of anarchy as a result of Pakistan's balkanisation. The reason is that there is no such thing as Pakistani nation [if this term is valid at all]. Pakistan is a combination of 5 big nations which have been artificially amalgamated by the military elite of Punjab by sheer force and coercion. Hence it will be advisable to seggregate them one by one - Balochistan, Karachi city state, Pakhtunistan....

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I mean they didn't know that Americans have tracked him down...There is a trust deficit between the two...I mean the mere fact that he was murdered deep inside Pakistan (which Obama emphatically mentioned) indicates Pakistani establishment wasn't in the know of the thing...If the operation had been carried out with the help and permission of Pakistani establishment, US could have mentiioned FATA as his place of hiding as not to cause Pakistan an international embarrassment....

Its a reasonable theory to consider. However, Abbatobad, as I recall it was a very military heavy region. More evidence will emanate if they catch other leadership folks.

[ghundal]

Ghundal and other ISI stooges would be sad ...their country - Pakistan got exposed once again to the int'l commnunity and has been "necessarily and sufficiently" proved as a den of terrorists.

Pakistan is your country, and your ANP is the stooge for the ISI.

If anything, you are now guilty of serious war crimes against the people of FATA for your complicit support for drone attacks against them.

[Azmal]

.... OBL mansion hide out was near paki military academy.

[qunduz92]

im amazed at how you people actually buy this utter bogus....

after all the countless lies, you still believe these phony, staged govt press releases. when will people learn anything.

[Toramana]

Its a reasonable theory to consider. However, Abbatobad, as I recall it was a very military heavy region. More evidence will emanate if they catch other leadership folks.

Another theory could be Pakistani establishment didn't want to be a target of militant's wrath etc. (after Osama's capture or murder by Americans) and that is why the news about Americans accomplishing the task exclusively have been propagated by the US...But why would then US "mention deep inside Pakistan"...And why would Pakistani est cause itself international embarrassment....All it boils down to one thing....Americal hit two birds with the same arrow "Osma" and "Pakistani establishment"....

[Gulbabo]

beautiful day

[Azmal]

Apparently...pakis didn't know...notice how US says no info was shared and then Paki says ISI team was on site.


http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/02...bject-unknown/

"Pakistani forces were NOT taken in confidence. They were told after the operation

A senior administration official told reporters that U.S. President Barack Obama's administration did not share intelligence gathered before the attack on bin Laden in Pakistan with any other country - including Pakistan - for security reasons."

[Gulbabo]

ISI team reached later

"pas la goza charzano" hehehehehe

[khushal]

What most of you don't realize that what is officially said by the government and what really happened is not always the same. Most of you think that Pak did not know about it and the operation was executed without the knowledge of Pak. If that was true than the US should take out the Nuclear warheads with out Pak knowing about it. That is hard to believe. Pak not only knew about it but most likely led the operation.

Even if the US says Pak was informed after the operation was completed, that is just rhetoric. Maybe that was part of the deal. Pak is afraid of the consquences by its people if it was confirmed officially that Pak led the US to Osama.