Osama Bin Laden dead (Confirmed)?

[kakargirl]

Both admin wror and barakzai wror said the same thing abbotabad, same thing i heard too.

[Azmal]

It was unclear where how bin Laden was killed and how the U.S. captured his body. Officials have long believed bin Laden, the most wanted man in the world, was hiding a mountainous region along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
Mr. bin Laden was killed at a mansion outside the Pakistani capital Islamabad, CNN reported. A senior U.S. counterterrorism official told Associated Press Mr. bin Laden was killed in a ground operation in Pakistan, not by a Predator drone
The al-Qaeda leader became both the face of global terrorism and a symbol of the futile efforts to seek it out and fight it.
While his death is a victory for the anti-terror crusade by the U.S. and its allies, it's unlikely his demise will end the now-fractured network of terror cells that reaches across the world.
Counter-terror experts have noted al-Qaeda has grown into a more fragmented movement, its violent ideas having been franchised over to local allies who can operate without a central, larger-than-life figurehead leader.
“Al-Qaeda is an organization that evolved into an ideology, with Osama bin Laden's message receiving widespread attention in the Muslim world,” said Peter Bergen, one of the rare Western journalists who has met Mr. bin Laden in person.
“Clearly, the ideology will survive Osama bin Laden's death.”
Al-Qaeda has farmed out attacks to regional players in East Africa, Asia, the Caucasus and the Middle East, local radical partners it inspired and funded over the years, said Rohan Gunaratna, author of Al Qaeda: Global Network of Terror.
“It will be a messy blow to the main al-Qaeda structure but the threat of terrorism will continue.”
At the same time, there are other examples of terrorist groups losing momentum after the capture of their charismatic leader.
After Turkey seized Abdullah Ocalan of the Kurdistan Workers Party, an initial wave of retaliatory attacks eventually petered and his supporters ended their armed campaign. In Peru, the arrest of Abimael Guzman Reymoso of the Shining Path decimated the violent Maoist movement.
However, one scenario that analysts fear is that Mr. bin Laden's death (jailing) will create a new martyr like Sayyid Quth, the staunchly anti-Western Egyptian writer who came up with a Koranic justification for using violence to topple secular Arab governments. His arrest, torture and execution in 1966 by the Nasser regime made him a hero and inspiration to subsequent Islamic generations of fundamentalists.
“Sayyid Quth clearly was much more important in death than in life and the same might be true of bin Laden,” Mr. Bergen said.
Mr. Gunaratna noted that al-Qaeda had already began decentralizing since August of 1998, in the wake of the crackdown triggered by the attacks that killed 223 people at two U.S. embassies in Africa.
Mr. bin Laden reached out to various associated groups, such as the Moro Islamic Liberation Front in the Philippines, Jemaah Islamiah, elsewhere in southeast Asia, the Salafi Group in Algeria and other insurgents in Indonesia and Yemen. These groups provided not only a striking capacity but also training facilities, filling in for the loss of al-Qaeda's camps in Afghanistan.
“These groups play an equally important role. We are seeing terrorist capability in the regional, local Islamic radical groups,” Mr. Gunaratna said.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2006299/

P***** pull their final ace card... but then its all our own fault we Pashtons are pawned in their game… we are emotional, easily to brainwashed and money angry people. For 10 years Pashtons were dieing in scores while OBL was in a mansion in Islamabad.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I agree...this man and his ilk introduced suicide bombing as new jehad culture in the name of which countless Muslims were murdered in mosques etc....a grave dis-service to Islam...

I woudn't celebrate too soon. His son indicated that the leadership under him was more vicious, less disciplined, and more feral. His corpus of written work survives him as does his inspiration to mass movements across the world. The movements are dispersed across the world at this point. The true test of his leadership will be to see whether the organization lives on in some form with functional capacity after his death. It is said that a leadership heirarchy already exists to be executed. Moreover, you forget the credo that in Islamic lore a martyr is not truly dead. In America's similitude he was their Hannibal Barca.

[qunduz92]

does someone have the link to watch the address. i missed it..

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Not necessarily, but it doesn't really matter. She is one analyst, and has little bearing on the end game in the region (for that matter nor does Scheuer, Hoh, or me, etc). This could have many implications, one of which could be what you said. However it could completely contrary. Others will say that it started in FATA but now has spread to settled areas..areas which were known to have quality education like abbotabad....which in other words means more war, more operations, etc.

True, but as I said, it does not appear that he was driven from FATA by the drones. In fact before the drone escalation status post Khost the Taliban officials were already seen in Karachi. This indicates that the Islamists worst strategy move was to trust the ISI. The bottom line was that Pakistan will continuie to do what it views as in its best interests always, whether in line with Islamism or contrary to it.

[Akherousin]

Cool, wonder what under the table deals with ISI it will take to get Zawahiri next?

[emkhan]

my saying is "never trust any agency men" LOL

[ghundal]

so we first have the Afgh/Pak meeting, then we have the reports that Pak told Afghanistan to dump US, and now this? hmmm? And then there exists multiple reports of what happened? Shouldn't there be one version only?

[Toramana]

my saying is "never trust any agency men" LOL

emkhana, stha da khabara mai da laman pa pilaski porai ghota kra kha....

[BarakzaiAbdali]

What I am curious about is what was the gain at this point for the ISI? It appeared that the Afghan game was moving towards a stalemate. Why turn him over now? Is this because the CIA-ISI conflict was escalating? Was it moving to the point where drone positions were being taken across the border and Petraeus being moved to the CIA indicated to the Pakistani Military Complex that it was in the cross hairs? Was the funding about to be cut?

[ghundal]

nothing adds up, oh well, I guess withdrawal is moving forward.

hmmm, could this be the dignified way of leaving?

And then when you think along these lines, well then none of this adds up. I mean Pakistan was harboring him, why did Afghanistan suffer this failed war of aggression? Isn't this an international crime that requires war crime trials for all people involved, US and Pak?

[randolph85]

so we first have the Afgh/Pak meeting, then we have the reports that Pak told Afghanistan to dump US, and now this? hmmm? And then there exists multiple reports of what happened? Shouldn't there be one version only?

considering that this news just broke like 1 hour ago, no one knows all the details besides what obama said.

[Akherousin]

What I am curious about is what was the gain at this point for the ISI? It appeared that the Afghan game was moving towards a stalemate. Why turn him over now? Is this because the CIA-ISI conflict was escalating? Was it moving to the point where drone positions were being taken across the border and Petraeus being moved to the CIA indicated to the Pakistani Military Complex that it was in the cross hairs? Was the funding about to be cut?

Well, within every big organization, there always exists ideological divisions. Maybe after increased US pressure, one guy who knew where he was told the US government in secret. At that point, Pakistan had no choice but to join in and act like the good guys.

[randolph85]

What I am curious about is what was the gain at this point for the ISI? It appeared that the Afghan game was moving towards a stalemate. Why turn him over now? Is this because the CIA-ISI conflict was escalating? Was it moving to the point where drone positions were being taken across the border and Petraeus being moved to the CIA indicated to the Pakistani Military Complex that it was in the cross hairs? Was the funding about to be cut?

obama said they received the intel in august, so i am guessing the pakis had to know that the americans were going to do something.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Well, within every big organization, there always exists ideological divisions. Maybe after increased US pressure, one guy who knew where he was told the US government in secret. At that point, Pakistan had no choice but to join in and act like the good guys.

I have seen Abottabad. Its a reasonly militaryesque town. I doubt he got there without them knowing years ago.