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  • #46
    Originally posted by salman47 View Post
    There are many!
    The following is the one I mentioned about:Why can't the Pakistan-Afghanistan border be completely sealed just like the India-Pakistan border to prevent cross border terrorism and infiltration? - Quora

    P.S. My comment was polite, no racism at all!
    My Comment:
    "it’s better for you all Pakistanis(Indians actually) to stop interfering in our(Pashtuns/Afghans) issue!!
    Durand Line is a line of hatred to separate Bros(and Siss) of the same blood.
    Seriously if you have a problem with India, why don’t you seal the Indian border?(don’t drag the stupid terrorism fairytale story of NorthWest Pakistan).
    p.s. Pakistan is not a so-called ‘God’s Chosen’ country, it has it’s fair share of terrorism as well!!
    also we’re not like you Indians, i.e. A stupid imaginary line cannot separate us,, but rather we’re very different and opposite of you people. God Willing we Pashtuns(aka Afghans) will never be separated!"
    Honestly, that comment is pretty incendiary. Whenever you refer to another group of people as "you X," it comes across as confrontational. And to call Pakistanis Indians despite the hatred between the two countries is an even bigger trigger. It's like how a lot of Pashtuns don't like being called Iranians. It may be true so far as how the term is defined as an ethno-linguistic group, but most Pashtuns do not see themselves as Iranians, and instead associate the term with people from Iran the country.

    Originally posted by salman47 View Post
    Why don't you strange-blood 85 percenters seal the border along Indus and leave us 15 percenters alone with our blood-kins across the mountains?
    What do these percentages refer to?

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    • #47
      Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Post
      Honestly, that comment is pretty incendiary. Whenever you refer to another group of people as "you X," it comes across as confrontational. And to call Pakistanis Indians despite the hatred between the two countries is an even bigger trigger. It's like how a lot of Pashtuns don't like being called Iranians. It may be true so far as how the term is defined as an ethno-linguistic group, but most Pashtuns do not see themselves as Iranians, and instead associate the term with people from Iran the country.



      What do these percentages refer to?
      Iranian is just another word for 'Aryan'...since people can No Longer use Aryan term due to Germans stealing and butchering the term in their quest for their racial supremacy in WW2. "Iranian" is the replacement word i believe.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by salman47 View Post
        Why don't you strange-blood 85 percenters seal the border along Indus and leave us 15 percenters alone with our blood-kins across the mountains?
        Punjab would get eaten by India, if Pakistan broke apart in half. They will not allow Baluch and Pashtun to secede.

        Loy Afghanistan is pretty unrealistic. Baluch, Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks, etc. would be bullied to hell by a 80% Pashtun majority in a Loy Afghhanistan, hence why those groups would likelt band together or on their own and secede from Pashtun majority. if Pashtuns created Loy Afghanistan, they would likely end up with a Small landlocked mountainland of Pashtunistan. IT would be a hellhole with Pashtuns tribes slaughtering one another, once other ethnic groups were out of the picture.
        Last edited by Kiuw; 07-13-2017, 08:42 PM.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Post
          Honestly, that comment is pretty incendiary. Whenever you refer to another group of people as "you X," it comes across as confrontational. And to call Pakistanis Indians despite the hatred between the two countries is an even bigger trigger. It's like how a lot of Pashtuns don't like being called Iranians. It may be true so far as how the term is defined as an ethno-linguistic group, but most Pashtuns do not see themselves as Iranians, and instead associate the term with people from Iran the country.



          What do these percentages refer to?
          Both the Pakistani and Indian f***ers were united in that thread, and had the same opinion on the Pashtun issue....
          Also to hell with them.

          As for the percentages, Pashtun are almost about 13-15% of population of Pakistan!

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Kiuw View Post
            Punjab would get eaten by India, if Pakistan broke apart in half. They will not allow Baluch and Pashtun to secede.

            Loy Afghanistan is pretty unrealistic. Baluch, Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks, etc. would be bullied to hell by a 80% Pashtun majority in a Loy Afghhanistan, hence why those groups would likelt band together or on their own and secede from Pashtun majority. if Pashtuns created Loy Afghanistan, they would likely end up with a Small landlocked mountainland of Pashtunistan. IT would be a hellhole with Pashtuns tribes slaughtering one another, once other ethnic groups were out of the picture.
            I hope Loy Afghanistan is made, also hope everything is fine then!
            Also don't forget who united the people of Afghanistan, and who made Afghanistan, and who will rule Afghanistan in the future(Pashtuns In Sha Allah)!!!

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Traveller View Post
              This is Pashtun forums, not Afghanistan defence forums. We're here to promote unity between lar and bar instead of promoting division by casting doubt on the Pashtunness of other Pashtuns. Promote your petty watan parasti somewhere else.
              Also I rarely hear people say do and panch when they're speaking Pashto. For the small numbers(1-10) the pure Pashto terms are almost always used. Urdu numbers become common after you pass 20, and even then for "clean" numbers(e.g. 30, 40, 50, 100, 150, 200, 300 etc.) the pure Pashto terms are used more often than Urdu ones. And most people can count in pashto fine even if they use urdu numbers, I personally always use pure pashto numbers and people understand me perfectly.
              Brother I beg to differ. I think in Pakistani Pashto, Urdu (and therefore Hindi) words are used way too much, as well as English words. If I was to advise someone to learn or study Pashto I definately wouldn't recommend Pakistani Pashto sources.... perhaps the Pashto of remote tribal areas is more "soocha" but the Pashto we hear on Pakistani media certainly isn't.

              In Pakistani a Pashto conversation would be 30% Pashto, 30% Urdu/Hindi, 30% English.....as for the remaining 10%.....lol unintelligible.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Charsi Malang View Post
                Brother I beg to differ. I think in Pakistani Pashto, Urdu (and therefore Hindi) words are used way too much, as well as English words. If I was to advise someone to learn or study Pashto I definately wouldn't recommend Pakistani Pashto sources.... perhaps the Pashto of remote tribal areas is more "soocha" but the Pashto we hear on Pakistani media certainly isn't.

                In Pakistani a Pashto conversation would be 30% Pashto, 30% Urdu/Hindi, 30% English.....as for the remaining 10%.....lol unintelligible.
                I was only talking about numbers. And I think you are exagerrating the percentages. Most people who live in Pashto-speaking areas speak relatively pure Pashto. Most of the ones that use Urdu/Hindi words to extremes live in Islamabad, Lahore, and Karachi. And Afghan Pashtuns(esp those from Kandahar) overruse Farsi/Dari words. For example, the word for the conjunction "but" is "kho." Kandaharis(and Quettawals in Pakistan) often use Farsi "lekin" or "magar" instead. Lekin and Magar are also used in Urdu but I almost never hear Peshawaris and other KPK Pashtuns using them. Also there isn't really much wrong with Pakistani Pashto TV channels. I do wish they used less Urdu and English but overall their Pashto is pretty decent.
                Originally posted by Kaushika

                majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Traveller View Post
                  I was only talking about numbers. And I think you are exagerrating the percentages. Most people who live in Pashto-speaking areas speak relatively pure Pashto. Most of the ones that use Urdu/Hindi words to extremes live in Islamabad, Lahore, and Karachi. And Afghan Pashtuns(esp those from Kandahar) overruse Farsi/Dari words. For example, the word for the conjunction "but" is "kho." Kandaharis(and Quettawals in Pakistan) often use Farsi "lekin" or "magar" instead. Lekin and Magar are also used in Urdu but I almost never hear Peshawaris and other KPK Pashtuns using them. Also there isn't really much wrong with Pakistani Pashto TV channels. I do wish they used less Urdu and English but overall their Pashto is pretty decent.
                  Charsi Malang is definitely exaggerating , he must have come across people like the cricketer Shahid Afridi who speaks "gadda wadda" Pashto. I would rather recommend Pashto books sources from Pakistan for others to learn it. Very natural , simple , fluid and close to spoken Pashto.

                  Now this "'lekin" and "magar" thing, we Marwats also dont use it. But i have seen its usage in Pashto books written by authors who had superb command on Pashto. The latest Pashto book i consulted for history, was "Tarikh-i-Murassa" extensively annotated by Dost Muhammad Khan Kamil Mohmand who was a renowned scholar. Not only he uses "lekin", "magar" but also "agar".......these are not from Urdu which is a new language and Pashtuns themselves have role in its development. It might be from Farsi but i am not sure, those from Afghanistan are in better position to answer it.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by salman47 View Post
                    Both the Pakistani and Indian f***ers were united in that thread, and had the same opinion on the Pashtun issue....
                    Also to hell with them.

                    As for the percentages, Pashtun are almost about 13-15% of population of Pakistan!
                    That was a few weeks ago, now its 13-15% + 0.x% more. Pathans have 8 to 12 children average per man, sometimes 20 or 30 children.

                    We dont mind if Pathans keep growing in numbers like that. It gives us more cheap labour, cleaners, peons, drivers, watchmen, coal miners and so on. If there is a war with India, we will puff up the Pathans by telling them they are unbeatable and send them all to the front line to be killed by Indian army.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Samandri View Post
                      Charsi Malang is definitely exaggerating , he must have come across people like the cricketer Shahid Afridi who speaks "gadda wadda" Pashto. I would rather recommend Pashto books sources from Pakistan for others to learn it. Very natural , simple , fluid and close to spoken Pashto.

                      Now this "'lekin" and "magar" thing, we Marwats also dont use it. But i have seen its usage in Pashto books written by authors who had superb command on Pashto. The latest Pashto book i consulted for history, was "Tarikh-i-Murassa" extensively annotated by Dost Muhammad Khan Kamil Mohmand who was a renowned scholar. Not only he uses "lekin", "magar" but also "agar".......these are not from Urdu which is a new language and Pashtuns themselves have role in its development. It might be from Farsi but i am not sure, those from Afghanistan are in better position to answer it.
                      lekin is from Arabic. agar magar is from Hindi.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by a.s.takhar View Post
                        That was a few weeks ago, now its 13-15% + 0.x% more. Pathans have 8 to 12 children average per man, sometimes 20 or 30 children.

                        We dont mind if Pathans keep growing in numbers like that. It gives us more cheap labour, cleaners, peons, drivers, watchmen, coal miners and so on. If there is a war with India, we will puff up the Pathans by telling them they are unbeatable and send them all to the front line to be killed by Indian army.
                        Yeah and it would definately help your population lighten their skin as well.

                        A friend of mine once told me anytime you see a Punjabi or a Mohajir who isn't ugly and hasn't got dark skin, you can bet your bottom dollar their family has had a watchman or driver in the past who is Pashtun...lol

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Samandri View Post
                          Charsi Malang is definitely exaggerating , he must have come across people like the cricketer Shahid Afridi who speaks "gadda wadda" Pashto. I would rather recommend Pashto books sources from Pakistan for others to learn it. Very natural , simple , fluid and close to spoken Pashto.

                          Now this "'lekin" and "magar" thing, we Marwats also dont use it. But i have seen its usage in Pashto books written by authors who had superb command on Pashto. The latest Pashto book i consulted for history, was "Tarikh-i-Murassa" extensively annotated by Dost Muhammad Khan Kamil Mohmand who was a renowned scholar. Not only he uses "lekin", "magar" but also "agar".......these are not from Urdu which is a new language and Pashtuns themselves have role in its development. It might be from Farsi but i am not sure, those from Afghanistan are in better position to answer it.
                          Lekin is from Arabic Lākin(لاكن). Magar and Agar are almost surely from Farsi. They're not in Arabic and considering that those words are also in Urdu and that Farsi is the only other source where Urdu and Pashto would get common words, that's probably where it's from. The reason that high-level Pashto authors are using them is probably because Farsi and Urdu words have been accepted as
                          parts of Pashto the same way Latin and French words have been accepted as a part of English.
                          Originally posted by Kaushika

                          majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Samandri View Post
                            Charsi Malang is definitely exaggerating , he must have come across people like the cricketer Shahid Afridi who speaks "gadda wadda" Pashto.
                            .
                            Shahid Afridi doesn't speak gadda wadda Pashto . I have heard him speak in Pashto and its very typical of the region he is from(Kohat). I don't think he uses many Urdu or English words.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by toughpashtun View Post
                              Shahid Afridi doesn't speak gadda wadda Pashto . I have heard him speak in Pashto and its very typical of the region he is from(Kohat). I don't think he uses many Urdu or English words.
                              Then whats this?

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                              • #60
                                My cousins that live in Peshawar tell me that when one uses English words, they are considered sophisticated and educated so this Shahid guy with the gada wada pashto would be a sophisticated and educated person that would be admired.

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