Is Pakistan going back to Pre 80's era of Booze , Bikini's and Bars ?

[Manzareh]

Holy**** and you blame us of exaggerating. It didn't even take Americans 2 minutes to obliterate Afghanistan because there was nothing to face off. They came, settled, Afghan leaders run of to hide in mountains and then low level insurgency started like in anywhere they have gone. Even Soviet Union didn't dare to cross durrand line when Pakistan was openly killing them in proxy war.

Paji this just proves you don't know the basics of war i'm afraid:

US Admits Total Defeat In Afghanistan As Russian Victory In Syria Terrifies West

An internal strategic report prepared by the Ministry of Defense (MoD) circulating in the Kremlin within the last hour states that the historic peace talks begun earlier today in the Pakistani capital city of Islamabad between the United States, China, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Taliban signals that for the first time the American’s have acknowledged their total defeat in the Afghan War—and who are now, stunningly, “re-walking” the exact same path the former Soviet Union took in 1989 when it too finally acknowledged its defeat there.

The near “mirror like” US war in Afghanistan (2001-2014 and 2015-present), this report notes, has killed 31,458 US coalition forces and wounded 22,773 more and has cost the staggering amount (to January 2015) of between $4 trillion and $6 trillion—and which the Americans, just like the Soviets did, have failed to pay for instead just adding this “impossible to ever pay back” amount to their national debt which now stands at $19 trillion.

Even the top US general John W. Nicholson Jr admits that they never won and fighting Afghans was the biggest mistake America made. Paji Pakistan will get eaten alive if went into war with US.

[Charsi Malang]

Holy**** and you blame us of exaggerating. It didn't even take Americans 2 minutes to obliterate Afghanistan because there was nothing to face off. They came, settled, Afghan leaders run of to hide in mountains and then low level insurgency started like in anywhere they have gone. Even Soviet Union didn't dare to cross durrand line when Pakistan was openly killing them in proxy war.

Obliterate? If Afghanistan has been obliterated then why are US soldiers being killed? Are they being killed by Karachiwalas? Rawalpindiwalas? Lahoris? Why are there armed US soldiers walking around? When a country has been obliterated/pacified whatever you don't need armed soldiers walking around, and your soldiers certainly don't get killed.

Soviet Union didn't dare cross the Durand Line? Hahahahahaha. Brother, had the Soviet Union invaded Pakistan, the resistance they would have faced would no way have been the same as the Afghan resistance. I would bet my house on that. You people in Karachi and Lahore and Islamabad would have been speaking Russian now.

[Charsi Malang]

Paji this just proves you don't know the basics of war i'm afraid:



Even the top US general John W. Nicholson Jr admits that they never won and fighting Afghans was the biggest mistake America made. Paji Pakistan will get eaten alive if went into war with US.

Pakistan wouldn't have the courage. Plain and simple. George Bush ordered the Taliban to give up Osama or prepare to be toppled. They told George Bush that if Osama surrenders, then all well and good, but they weren't going to hand him over. The Taliban stuck to their guns, fought and lost power-they were no match for the US. I don't think anyone can see Pakistan in a hundred years defy anyone and fight to the end.

[Manzareh]

$500 million is the annual aid to Afghanistan to build Hospitals , Schools and Roads . How is debt even an issue here ? As far as your economy is moving at a fast pace debt is never an issue . Our economy is growing at 5.5 % this year . It shouldn't be a worry .

Your economy is growing 5.5% ok. Then how come your debt is STILL GOING UP?? Pakistan Debt Clock :: National Debt of Pakistan

You cant just say "Our economy is growing" that doesnt mean anything in academic terms. You could be growing and still falling into more debt. 5.5% growth of an economy does not mean it is getting 5.5% richer.

But ok lets just pretend the national debt is not going up for a second. Basic mathematical question here - how long would it take to clear $64,000,000,000??. lol ok dont answer. That debt is going to be doubled with china adding another 64 Billion after completion of CPEC - Pakistan is doomed. Debt slaves right at the bottom of the pyramid you are not going anywhere.

[Manzareh]

Pakistan wouldn't have the courage. Plain and simple. George Bush ordered the Taliban to give up Osama or prepare to be toppled. They told George Bush that if Osama surrenders, then all well and good, but they weren't going to hand him over. The Taliban stuck to their guns, fought and lost power-they were no match for the US. I don't think anyone can see Pakistan in a hundred years defy anyone and fight to the end.

There had guys in honda motorcycles and chinese fake AK-47's facing off USA and NATO. I'm not going to comment whether it was a good or bad thing not giving up Bin Laden but one thing for sure is they had zero fear and fully prepared to fight the worlds biggest armies for a matter of principle.

Meanwhile you get countries like Pakistan that are scared to the extent where they hand over their own citizens for no reason, have you heard about a Genius called Aafia Siddique? she was a big asset to Pakistan she was one of the top scientists in the world - America wanted her so they waved their finger and Pakistan handed her over, till this day without a trial or charge she is raped and beaten in Prison. This is the honour and mindset of Pakistan.

[Adam]

Although it obviously wouldn't happen, if you think there's any country on the planet that could stop a (full) US invasion you're joking, especially not Pakistan.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

If Afghans can eat up the $100 billion American aid then $500 million is peanuts for them . Most corrupt people on this earth .

Says Pakistani nationalists trying to justify terrorism.

[Charsi Malang]

There had guys in honda motorcycles and chinese fake AK-47's facing off USA and NATO. I'm not going to comment whether it was a good or bad thing not giving up Bin Laden but one thing for sure is they had zero fear and fully prepared to fight the worlds biggest armies for a matter of principle.

Meanwhile you get countries like Pakistan that are scared to the extent where they hand over their own citizens for no reason, have you heard about a Genius called Aafia Siddique? she was a big asset to Pakistan she was one of the top scientists in the world - America wanted her so they waved their finger and Pakistan handed her over, till this day without a trial or charge she is raped and beaten in Prison. This is the honour and mindset of Pakistan.

What about the case where an American fellow shot two Pakistani guys? I think it was in Lahore I'm not sure. I think the American guy was called Raymond David, but again I'm not 100% on that one. All I know is that it was reported he used hollow point bullets.

Good or bad- respect to the Taliban for sticking to their guns and not giving up a guest. Whether it was the right move or not is another debate but it seemed to be a matter of principle. The Taliban completely lost power but did not give in, instead they told the US-come down and fight on the ground as we can't hit your planes.

Compare that to the view that American officials have about Pakistanis selling their own mothers for money.

[logical]

Paji this just proves you don't know the basics of war i'm afraid:



Even the top US general John W. Nicholson Jr admits that they never won and fighting Afghans was the biggest mistake America made. Paji Pakistan will get eaten alive if went into war with US.

Let's see

1. They came and with in 2 minutes Afghani leaders run away to hide in mountains. Some resistance...

2. Since they couldn't face America head on, next best option was insurgency while nation is occupied.

3. If USA wanted they could have bombed whole Afghanistan from far away instead of nation building and in process suffer 0 losses.


Even in Afghanistan for every USA soldier killed, 1000 afghanis died. 70,000 US soldiers killed in Vietnam war, afghanistan on the other hand was piece of cake for them.

They won the war but lost when it come to civilising afghanis, ending civil war, nation bulding bla bla This isn't American loss but your own. You can't blame Americans for Afghanis not getting along with each other.

[logical]

Obliterate? If Afghanistan has been obliterated then why are US soldiers being killed? Are they being killed by Karachiwalas? Rawalpindiwalas? Lahoris? Why are there armed US soldiers walking around? When a country has been obliterated/pacified whatever you don't need armed soldiers walking around, and your soldiers certainly don't get killed.

Soviet Union didn't dare cross the Durand Line? Hahahahahaha. Brother, had the Soviet Union invaded Pakistan, the resistance they would have faced would no way have been the same as the Afghan resistance. I would bet my house on that. You people in Karachi and Lahore and Islamabad would have been speaking Russian now.

US soldiers stopped participating in civil war long time ago, they have trained Afghanis who are fighting each other. Both are incompetent as each other that's why civil war isn't ending.

Brother thank Pakistan for saving your muhajir ass from Soviets. Mujahidin didn't even exist before Pakistan stepped in to arm afghanis and bring jihadis from all over the world to fight soviets. You lot are rightfully known as namak haram people. Soviets didn't cross because there is difference between invading nation with absolutely 0 military power and the one who have been fighting wars with nation 7 times bigger. Read about 1965 India invasion of Lahore and then come back.

[logical]

There had guys in honda motorcycles and chinese fake AK-47's facing off USA and NATO. I'm not going to comment whether it was a good or bad thing not giving up Bin Laden but one thing for sure is they had zero fear and fully prepared to fight the worlds biggest armies for a matter of principle.

Meanwhile you get countries like Pakistan that are scared to the extent where they hand over their own citizens for no reason, have you heard about a Genius called Aafia Siddique? she was a big asset to Pakistan she was one of the top scientists in the world - America wanted her so they waved their finger and Pakistan handed her over, till this day without a trial or charge she is raped and beaten in Prison. This is the honour and mindset of Pakistan.

Top scientist? Men you guys beyond stupid, she was terrorist. What do you wanted Pakistan to do? Pakistan didn't hand her over but USA army caught her with Alqaida terrorists in Afghanistan.

If you think Pakistan is going to bend over for terrorist honour then you are either afghani or retarded. Taliban were ready to hand over Al Qaida at last but USA said no, they wanted to punish afghanis. You are not well versed in history, keep making it up.

Remember Afghanistan have received Americans with open arms, even people in this forum support invasion. Some foreign funded elements fight Afghani forces but if you have to get funds to fight against foreign ocupation..lol Just like against Soviets, 0 resistance before Pakistan stepped in.

[Adam]

0 resistance before Pakistan stepped in.

Got a source for that?

[logical]

Got a source for that?

My source is wikipedia.

[Adam]

My source is wikipedia.

Do share

[Pakistan]

The other logic guy above just said the soviet union were scared of Pakistan lolll wtf do they teach you guys at school hahaha too much bolly lollywood.

"200 nukes blah blah" what they gunna do with them nuclear warheads? fire them at usa?? fire them to europe? dont be ridiculous those warheads are useless against super powers. Dude where was all that artillery when 90,000 of your brave soldiers surrendered to india? did it come in use? LOOL you are in the history books and hold the record for the most people surrendering since WW1. Thats the difference - not nukes or tanks, you Nationalists are so blinded with the indoctrination that you are some superior force so when you are faced with reality you get scared, Afghans do not mind becoming martyrs, the Pakistanis were scared of death - in war that is what really matters. Pakistan does not stand a chance against any stable country thats why you concentrate on an economical ****hole like afghanistan to make you feel tough.

So why is US not invading North Korea a country much weaker than Pakistan if its not for nukes ? You think Americans are going to go through 1 million army , 200 million people and thousands of Jets and Tanks in 1 week ? Don't act like a retard .

‘US war with Pakistan would be too messy, too dangerous, too awful’ - The Express Tribune

Bangladesh was going to happen no matter what . You think a country is going to survive which is 3000 km apart with an arch enemy in between ? Indian Generals are on record saying the Pakistan army fought very bravely but it was impossible for them to fight because army was cut off from west Pakistan . One of the reasons Pakistan managed to inflict alot of damage in 65 was because there was no war in the east .

Cambrian Patrol is a army competition that takes place in the UK which determines the toughest armies and Pakistan army has won it the most times

Pakistan Army takes gold in Exercise Cambrian Patrol held in UK - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Nobody in Pakistan likes to compare itself with a ****hole like Afghanistan . But these Afghans won't shut up . They need a reality check as to where they stand .