Is Pakistan going back to Pre 80's era of Booze , Bikini's and Bars ?

[One1]

Western civilisation will collapse? Probably because of some mass extinction event along with rest of the world. Apart from that only their influence on other countries will decrease with rise of India and China civilisation.

About your cultural point. Lets take example of Afghanistan where majority of people are homosexual as per American army reports. Someone made thread on that on this forum. Hideous crime of rape Bacha bazi is rampant in so called conservative country.

Giving women space, freedom to work, move around, decision in marrying etc will not turn them in to porn stars.

I don't think people in villages live happy life. As soon as they are given opportunity for better life somewhere else, they move out. Karachi is filled by rural pakhtuns.

Everything collapses eventuelly.... Death is only natural....Chinese and Indian civilization are already too Westernized to have any efffect on Western....i mean these civilization are basically copies of western...

Pakistan civilization might eventually lead the World...

[Elite Pakhtun]

Right see this is where the problem lies. Elite pakhtun your kind represents like less than 5%of the total pashtun population that buys the punjabistani state lie. So when i don't buy pakistan's drivel, i'm an Afghan? Well yes, racially that's what the punjabi still consider us as. Ask your parents, in their time this would've been apparent oj their id cards. The 'qomiyat' part...... was labeled Afghan. So yes i identify as racially an Afghan living in Khyber (controlled by punjab). Same can be said for most of the Pashtuns here unless they're mixed race. Do you agree with this or not? Afghan and Pashtun have been used interchangeably for ages..... pakistan and Pashtun?? No. I can attest to that. Whenever a normal Pashtun from say bajaur or dir or even swat goes through one of those police checkpoints, they're stopped and harassed. Now don't deny this please cuz i've witnessed this countless time and their own narrative bears testament to this fact. They don't show you this on geo or ary tv or even khyber tv for that matter. And why should they? Because they're in collusion with the central power, the undisputed king .... the punjabi. Why? Cuz people like you turn a blind eye to your fellow's suffering and turn the other cheek when the tales of atrocities are spread by word of mouth indulgence. Your assumption based on the fact that i did'nt buy your and pakistan's drivel is because i and countless Pashtuns see through it and its laughable. People like you think that those that don't wave paks' flag and not sing jevay jevay pak are either 'endian' or afghan terrorist. Well yup, we gladly embrace the latter part because for us there's culturally/racially no difference between us. Don't play the prevaricate card please, and just know that you represent the tiny, privileged fraction that lives in either isld, lahore or karachi. Go to Khyber now and see with your own eyes, the depredations of Pashtuns. Don't asseverate on my being an "Afghan" just cuz i hate the punjoo and his many deceits.

Rora, neem jwand me Pakistan ke terr karhay de. While your report on how Pakistani pashtuns think is appreciated, I have my own experience and seen things with my own eyes. If so many wanted out, it would be covered in the media. Right now, most don't actually care. Thing is, Pakistan is multi ethnic. There is no homogenous culture.

The harassment point is true, but it is a recent development. It wasn't always like this. Yes pashtuns have been suffering in the last decade or so. It's important we overcome this. Yes, we have not gained as much as poonjabis as a result of Pakistan.

You should understand that I'm actually not that patriotic. It's fairly meaningless to me. Many pashtuns in Pakistan are actually patriotic (unlike me). Whether thats the right or wrong thing to do is not something we'll agree on... it just is what it is.

[One1]

Yeah sure because we need a joke of a country like Afghanistan to tell a nuclear power and 25th biggest economy in the world how Important it is .

You must feel so proud while typing that....

[Kakar-Wardak]

Western civilisation will collapse? Probably because of some mass extinction event along with rest of the world. Apart from that only their influence on other countries will decrease with rise of India and China civilisation.

About your cultural point. Lets take example of Afghanistan where majority of people are homosexual as per American army reports. Someone made thread on that on this forum. Hideous crime of rape Bacha bazi is rampant in so called conservative country.

Giving women space, freedom to work, move around, decision in marrying etc will not turn them in to porn stars.

I don't think people in villages live happy life. As soon as they are given opportunity for better life somewhere else, they move out. Karachi is filled by rural pakhtuns.

Um seriously you wan't liberalism in a uneducated nation like pakistan,,all liberalism will lead to is women looking for the best possible mate, so unless you are wealthy or good looking you will struggle to find a women, even if you do it will be some girl that has been pumped and dumped, and probably sees you as a provider, doesn't mean she will be loyal to you she will probably still cheat behind your back with a handsome guy if the opportunity ever arises, Arranged marriage allows undesirables guys to get laid that's the truth, and if you wan't liberalism than be ready for all your women to flock to the most desirable of men, which unfortunately for you indics will be your women flocking to pashtun men. so I suggest you keep the status quo.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Afghanis already are in bed with Indians. Now days afghanis are called hindu lovers in Pakistan and asked to go back, thats how narrative have changed since last 2 years.

You just went from boasting abou being mentally colonized and wanting to Abandon Islamic values for the farangis Jahil cultural habits like Discos, Nightclubs and strip bars ....just as long as they pat you on the head and call you call you "progressive" and now accuse others of being Hindu lovers.

Do you even KNOW what you want to be? You can't call others Hindu lovers if you're DESIRING to abandon Islamic Values ...it doesn't work that way. This is why Indics are seen as Mentally colonized slaves of farangiyan.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

About your cultural point. Lets take example of Afghanistan where majority of people are homosexual as per American army reports. Someone made thread on that on this forum. Hideous crime of rape Bacha bazi is rampant in so called conservative country.

Which by the way is IMPOSSIBLE to have in any human population, so taking this as "evidence" shows scientific ignorance. ....But that explains why your scientitific impact as a country is rather low.

Giving women space, freedom to work, move around, decision in marrying etc will not turn them in to porn stars.

It also doesn't involve having discos, strip bars and night clubs .....Two Logically in related propositions here.

I don't think people in villages live happy life. As soon as they are given opportunity for better life somewhere else, they move out. Karachi is filled by rural pakhtuns.

Sure, economic destitution causes migration, but this isn't necessarily because village life is low quality, other factors are involved, generally in most countries with migrants, it's because of corrupt exploitation and disparities of wealth and hording by Urban elite. The thing you're NOT Supposed to do in Islam.

Pakistan spend money towards bringing a No-Name Techno dj from the West to perform and not spending money to improve Agricultural Techniques and Hortificulture? This is something Pakistan/Peshawar_222 showed us ...so I'm not just making this up.

How else do you explain so many Pakistanis moving to DUbai or posing as Afghan refugees to get migrant status im Europe?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Logical is rght in the sense that letting women participate in society and have freedom of movement etc. won't turn women into porn stars. in fact Islamic societies already had this well established.

However discos, nightclubs, bars and strip clubs only seems to cater to a certain pattern of behavior. And Pakistan is a perfect example of what the consequences of that are .....

Pakistan's First Adult Film Star.

Pakistani pornstar Nadia Ali participates in anti-Hijab adult film – Daily Pakistan

And these Pakistani Nationalists are worried about India and call Afghans Hindu Lovers .......what's this then? lol

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Pakistan has been ranked as one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a report in the Washington Post.
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This isn't necessarily a measure of whether pakistani's are actially racist or not. Since "race" is a broad term . It could have been these respondents thought that the questioner meant Farangay, and being that Pakistanis are by in arge Indics, pakistanis have a natural worship of Farangyan and want their approval. If it was asked about Africans, you'd get a different reply.

India may have asked a more specific question about whether they hate Africans and thus you get more racist responses. These polls are not "air tight" with that respect.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

What's with you indics being so clingy lol

What's with Indics calling themselves other races besides Indics?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Are you another madrassa draduate who think Pakistani=punjabi? Son army is already kicking your ass out of Pakistan. Pakistan isn't your land, wake up illegal immigrant.

Earlier you admitted Pakistan Military facilitate these Madrassas so that means by your assertion then Pakistani Madrassas teach that Punjabi=Pakistani?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Afghanistan has been the biggest source of refugees around the world for 40 years now . The conditions they are in is miserable . You won't hear about a Doctor , Engineer or Scientist from Afghanistan working abroad . meanwhile from Pakistan .

Pakistan becomes largest exporter of young doctors to UK | Amazing - Geo.tv

[url=https://timesofislamabad.com/pakistani-doctors-amongst-best-world-president-usmle/2016/12/27/]Pakistani doctors are amongst the best in the world: President USMLE[/u

Which tells us nothing basically since Fraudulent Credentials and Documents is a big business in Pakistan.

http://www.refworld.org/docid/50ebf9ef2.html

Types of Fraudulent Documents

According to the High Commission official, the following documents are routinely found to be fraudulent: education documents; birth, death, marriage and divorce certificates; employee reference letters; financial documents; official family composition forms; police certificates; entry and exit stamps in passports; and Canadian and other visas (Canada 29 Nov. 2011).

..meanwhile in Pakistan indeed lol

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

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I am not the one trying to compare . Firdousi pointed out how Pakistani's were toilet cleaners when its a fact that Afghans are one of the most miserable people around the world when it comes to living conditions .For example British Pakistani's and American Pakistani's have higher national income than the average and lead a nice life .

American Pakistanis are usially well off, however, that's because they're a brain drain for Pakistan, which means Pakistan's skilled labor has been taken by America. Not sure if that's something to be proud of.

As for British Pakistanis

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21644155-britain-bangladeshis-have-overtaken-pakistanis-credit-poor-job-market-when-they-arrived

Bangladeshis are more likely to be studying or in work. And Yaojun Li, a sociologist at the University of Manchester, calculates that Bangladeshis’ average monthly household income, though still low, is now slightly higher than that of Pakistanis.

Billions ? Its a few million dollars per year .

Are you sure you're not just a lapdog for the Paki elite?

Aid to Pakistan by the Numbers | Center For Global Development

The act authorized a tripling of US economic and development-related assistance to Pakistan, or $7.5 billion over five years (FY2010 to FY2014), to improve Pakistan’s governance, support its economic growth, and invest in its people.

Not According to United Nations . Third world word gets thrown around alot . In total there are 49 Least developed countries or LDC's .

This is what I was saying earlier; Cherry picking new sources that are vague enough to fit a certain narrative. From ANOTHER United Nations affiliated site.

Countries of the Third World - Nations Online Project

Its not advanced nobody said it was one . But it's improving its ranking at a fast pace from previous years and going to mid tables now .

Your metric for improvement is cuckoldry and groveling for farangay techno-DJs, if that's what you mean then yeah.

You should be telling the Afghans this with their almight imaginary Ghairat and identity . When shown the mirror they quickly backtrack .

It's you that came to us in hopes of redeeming your sense of esteem. Not the other way around.

[logical]

Um seriously you wan't liberalism in a uneducated nation like pakistan,,all liberalism will lead to is women looking for the best possible mate, so unless you are wealthy or good looking you will struggle to find a women, even if you do it will be some girl that has been pumped and dumped, and probably sees you as a provider, doesn't mean she will be loyal to you she will probably still cheat behind your back with a handsome guy if the opportunity ever arises, Arranged marriage allows undesirables guys to get laid that's the truth, and if you wan't liberalism than be ready for all your women to flock to the most desirable of men, which unfortunately for you indics will be your women flocking to pashtun men. so I suggest you keep the status quo.

Who cares who marry who by choice, you seem to be obsessive over men looks. Are you also afghani? Grow up.

[logical]

Which by the way is IMPOSSIBLE to have in any human population, so taking this as "evidence" shows scientific ignorance. ....But that explains why your scientitific impact as a country is rather low.



It also doesn't involve having discos, strip bars and night clubs .....Two Logically in related propositions here.



Sure, economic destitution causes migration, but this isn't necessarily because village life is low quality, other factors are involved, generally in most countries with migrants, it's because of corrupt exploitation and disparities of wealth and hording by Urban elite. The thing you're NOT Supposed to do in Islam.

Pakistan spend money towards bringing a No-Name Techno dj from the West to perform and not spending money to improve Agricultural Techniques and Hortificulture? This is something Pakistan/Peshawar_222 showed us ...so I'm not just making this up.

How else do you explain so many Pakistanis moving to DUbai or posing as Afghan refugees to get migrant status im Europe?

Europe is sending back Afghanis, 100,000 already been deported. Main reason is gang rapes of women workers in refugee centers by afghani men. Since you consider any independent women akin to being sex worker and to be raped. Same mentality is shown by afghani refugees in europe where western women are considered ***** by them. You will need to change this mentality of yours and respect women even if she's outside home and without burka.

Why Pakistani will claim to be afghani? Just to be deported back to Kabul?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Who cares who marry who by choice, you seem to be obsessive over men looks. Are you also afghani? Grow up.

Only cuckolds say things like this, a very Indic trait. ...and in evolutionary terms a mentality which undermines your society. Good Job.