Is Pakistan going back to Pre 80's era of Booze , Bikini's and Bars ?

[logical]

What are you talking about, making up history? There's a reason why Self Hating Indic losers like "Karachi" your fellow countryman and Bengal Tiger claimed Pashtun ancestry, because they have this fantasy that it was really one of their nanas that opened her womb to Pashtun seeds.

By the way watch what you say because everything you're asserting is an attack against Pakistani Pashtuns since they're of the same stock as us. Don't fool yourself, Abdali took thousands of Indic women, Sher Shah took thousands of Indic women. Khalji (which name Ghilzai comes from) took thousands of Indic women. Look it up. Even your Pakistani history books are proud of it and claim these guys as heroes of Pakistan.

We are your heroes because let's face it, You have no Native Indic blooded ones. You take pride in foreigners because it's shameful to be Indic.

Bengali and karachi claiming to be afghanis? possible after all many afghanis have migrated to India. And them claiming afghani ancestry somehow make your history claims true, lol


Its same as sikhs claiming they toke thousands of afghanis women and when Indians claim Mauryas toke thousands of of afghani women. Maybe its true after all.

But on the other hand there is evidence to support that Mughals toke women from all over empire including current day Afghanistan. I researched and only found proper evidence of Mughals actually doing that. Don't lie to make up for current day misery.

about pakhtun card, your afghani kin play same card in Pakistan when ever they get caught doing illegal things. Its not me being proud of raping some women centuries ago. After all your mother could be one of those slaves Abdali supposedly toke from India. Abdali didn't rule, he came to save Mughal empire once and get paid. I'm pretty sure Mughals still ruled till British raj. Think before saying stupid stuff.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Bengali and karachi claiming to be afghanis? possible after all many afghanis have migrated to India.


Its same as sikhs claiming they toke thousands of afghanis women and when Indians claim Mauryas toke thousands of of afghani women. Maybe its true after all.

But on the other hand there is evidence to support that Mughals toke women from all over empire including current day Afghanistan. I researched and only found proper evidence of Mughals actually doing that. Don't lie to make up for current day misery.

about pakhtun card, your afghani kin play same card in Pakistan when ever they get caught doing illegal things. Its not me being proud of raping some women centuries ago. After all your mother could be one of those slaves Abdali supposedly toke from India. Think before saying stupid stuff.

Please dude, no historical records of Sikhs ever claiming to do any such thing. Sikhs always portray themselves as victims not victors. Even Ranjit Singh was seen as a "liberator" not conqueror. How can Indians claim Maurya's took Afghan women? When Afghans are only like TOPS 1500 years old? There were no "Afghans" back in Mauryas time. Stop making stuff up.

It's not "Afghan" card, Historically Pashtun and Afghan are the same stock. Pakistani Pashtuns are Afghan Pashtuns who migrated, expanded uprooted Indic peoples from modern day Khyber Pashtunkhwah. How do you think they got there? They're the Afghans who took Indic women. They're us, we're them. You even JUST admitted it in the line you said "Afghans went to India". Well that was apart of India we conquered. Do you read what you write? You JUST admitted what I'm saying is true.

[Pakistan]

Well usually you get occupied when you're disobedient and rebellious, that's why Pakistan tried 40 years to send terrorists into Afghanistan.but never succeeded, so it's actually a sign we have a back bone ....where as Pakistan takes pride in being a sex tourism hub for creepy white men, it's not occupied because it does what it's told, like good lap dogs.

I'm not Anti Farangay, I'm anti-servile mentality to farangay. Farangay are not special, they have positives and negatives, but that doesn't mean we have to BE JUST LIKE THEM. You on the hand think , just because they acquired global power, that it's now your obligation to emulate them hand and foot. This is a spineless mentality. You measure your self esteem by whether they acknowledge you. that's feeble.

Rebellious and disobedient ? Afghanistan has done nothing of such to disobey the Farangis ever . Pakistan on the other hand has a history of pissing off the west with its Numerous policies , Nuclear Programme , Proxy Games etc . Americans have been made to look stupid by Pakistan on many occasions .

Pakistan treating US like chumps: Congressmen, experts | The Indian Express


As far as Global Power is concerned Pakistan is a regional power herself and one of the strongest countries in terms of power projection .

Global Firepower Military Ranks - 216

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Rebellious and disobedient ? Afghanistan has done nothing of such to disobey the Farangis ever . Pakistan on the other hand has a history of pissing off the west with its Numerous policies , Nuclear Programme , Proxy Games etc . Americans have been made to look stupid by Pakistan on many occasions .

Pakistan treating US like chumps: Congressmen, experts | The Indian Express


As far as Global Power is concerned Pakistan is a regional power herself and one of the strongest countries in terms of power projection .

Sure, sometimes you try to sneak around behind your master's back. Even black slaves did that occassionally in America. But they know they how to whip you back in line. And hence we have you here, gloating about Farangay servility and their pats on your head.

US neutralises Pakistan's entire nuclear arsenal - on TV - Times of India

Straight from your leader's mouths dude. ....cuck cuck cuck ....cucka-doodle do. Good servile lap dogs.

[Pakistan]

Sure, sometimes you try to sneak around behind your master's back. Even black slaves did that occassionally in America. But they know they how to whip you back in line. And hence we have you here, gloating about Farangay servility and their pats on your head.

US neutralises Pakistan's entire nuclear arsenal - on TV - Times of India

Straight from your leader's mouths dude. ....cuck cuck cuck ....cucka-doodle do. Good servile lap dogs.

Amarullah Saleh is on record saying no country in the world has caused US more damage than Pakistan . Its a complicated relationship . So why cant the US stop us supporting the Taliban that kill their soldiers ? Finishing our nuclear tests ? Pakistan is regularly sabotaging American interests in the region and they know it .

Afghanistan is a joke . Anybody can go and smack that place left and right without any consequence . The Sooner the better if you come out of the 1700's and 1800's . No wonder you are living in the west . Come to think of it all the Afghan bravado comes from people living in the west . The Ones inside Afghanistan are usually tame and Humble because of the feeling of being occupied .

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Amarullah Saleh is on record saying no country in the world has caused US more damage than Pakistan . Its a complicated relationship . So why cant the US stop us supporting the Taliban that kill their soldiers ? Finishing our nuclear tests ? Pakistan is regularly sabotaging American interests in the region and they know it .

Afghanistan is a joke . Anybody can go and smack that place left and right without any consequence . The Sooner the better if you come out of the 1700's and 1800's . No wonder you are living in the west . Come to think of it all the Afghan bravado comes from people living in the west . The Ones inside Afghanistan are usually tame and Humble because of the feeling of being occupied .

Amrullah Saleh isn't a leader, so what he says isn't always relevant. What is relevant is what leaders say,. Musharraf has confirmed you were scared ****less of your Farangay master and we have evidence that U.S. knows how to squash out your nuclear arsenal in an instance. Killing a few soliders who come from poor communities in the U.S. is irrelevant, what's relevant is you bent over under threat. ...UNDER threat.

But Afghanistan's occupied for disobedience, where as Pakistan saved itself by obeyinng Farangay orders. That's how it looks from here.

I thought you said Pakistan isn't a terrorist state and promotes progress and that it doesn't support the Taliban? Pick one, you can't have two contradictory narratives.

[logical]

Please dude, no historical records of Sikhs ever claiming to do any such thing. Sikhs always portray themselves as victims not victors. Even Ranjit Singh was seen as a "liberator" not conqueror. How can Indians claim Maurya's took Afghan women? When Afghans are only like TOPS 1500 years old? There were no "Afghans" back in Mauryas time. Stop making stuff up.

It's not "Afghan" card, Historically Pashtun and Afghan are the same stock. Pakistani Pashtuns are Afghan Pashtuns who migrated, expanded uprooted Indic peoples from modern day Khyber Pashtunkhwah. How do you think they got there? They're the Afghans who took Indic women. They're us, we're them. You even JUST admitted it in the line you said "Afghans went to India". Well that was apart of India we conquered. Do you read what you write? You JUST admitted what I'm saying is true.

I researched about sikhs crimes against muslims, sikhsm was formed to be anti-Islam. They were not victims but oppressors and that's why mughals wanted to kill them. No one claim to bad, that's why I was surprised at you being proud of Abdali taking slaves considering in that case many afghanis today have their blood. Lets forget about a moment if it's true or not.

"Diwan Chand became the first Hindu Governor of Kashmir after 1354AD and enacted dozens of anti-Muslim laws. He raised the tax on Muslims, demolished the Jama Masjid of Srinagar and prohibited cow slaughter. The punishment for cow slaughter was the death penalty without any exception. He abducted all the Pashtun and Uzbek women and infamously sold them at Hira Mandi, a very popular market in Lahore"


"Following the Siege of Sirhind, Banda Singh Bahadur ordered that all men, women and children be executed.[39] All residents of Sirhind, whether they were men, women or children were all burned alive or slain.[39] In December 1757, Sikhs pillaged the Doab and the city of Jullunder."

"Maharaja Ranjit Singh in lieu of helping Shah Shuja the grandson of Ahmad Shah Durrani asked for the ban of cow slaughter in Afghanistan and with Ranjit Singh's help, Shuja regained the Kabul Throne and imposed a ban on cow slaughter in Kabul."

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I researched about sikhs crimes against muslims, sikhsm was formed to be anti-Islam. They were not victims but oppressors and that's why mughals wanted to kill them. No one claim to bad, that's why I was surprised at you being proud of Abdali taking slaves considering in that case many afghanis today have their blood. Lets forget about a moment if it's true or not.

"Diwan Chand became the first Hindu Governor of Kashmir after 1354AD and enacted dozens of anti-Muslim laws. He raised the tax on Muslims, demolished the Jama Masjid of Srinagar and prohibited cow slaughter. The punishment for cow slaughter was the death penalty without any exception. He abducted all the Pashtun and Uzbek women and infamously sold them at Hira Mandi, a very popular market in Lahore"


"Following the Siege of Sirhind, Banda Singh Bahadur ordered that all men, women and children be executed.[39] All residents of Sirhind, whether they were men, women or children were all burned alive or slain.[39] In December 1757, Sikhs pillaged the Doab and the city of Jullunder."

"Maharaja Ranjit Singh in lieu of helping Shah Shuja the grandson of Ahmad Shah Durrani asked for the ban of cow slaughter in Afghanistan and with Ranjit Singh's help, Shuja regained the Kabul Throne and imposed a ban on cow slaughter in Kabul."

here check the links yourself

Valley of Kashmir

The Valley of Kashmir - Sir Walter Roper Lawrence - Google Books

Religion and Nationalism in India:

http://etheses.lse.ac.uk/1443/1/U093328.pdf

The other one can't seem to find online but it's about Kashmir, so doesn't make sense to discuss Hira Mundi but these two say nothing of the sort., I'll have to assume the other one doesn't either since it has nothing to do with Punjab.which suggests it was something "edited in" by a user. LOL

So the claim is right now rather dubious "Tilla Jogian"


Come on at least CHECK the sources. It's not HARD to do.

[Pakistan]

Amrullah Saleh isn't a leader, so what he says isn't always relevant. What is relevant is what leaders say,. Musharraf has confirmed you were scared ****less of your Farangay master and we have evidence that U.S. knows how to squash out your nuclear arsenal in an instance. Killing a few soliders who come from poor communities in the U.S. is irrelevant, what's relevant is you bent over under threat. ...UNDER threat.

But Afghanistan's occupied for disobedience, where as Pakistan saved itself by obeyinng Farangay orders. That's how it looks from here.

I thought you said Pakistan isn't a terrorist state and promotes progress and that it doesn't support the Taliban? Pick one, you can't have two contradictory narratives.

All Regional Powers are terrorist states don't kid yourself . You think Russia , China , India , Israel don't support terrorist groups for their own benefit ?

Afghanistan got occupied because Osama went there and happen to be living inside Afghanistan during 9/11 . Not because Afghans or Afghan govt had anti-west policies . Why don't you come back to Afghanistan and show your rebellious nature infront of those American Soldiers ? . And before that the Russians .

US cannot defeat the Taliban (A group ISI supports ) let alone take on Pakistan .

[Elite Pakhtun]

Wow 31 pages of trash...

Jeez... now I see why this website is a bit of a revolving door for new users.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

All Regional Powers are terrorist states don't kid yourself . You think Russia , China , India , Israel don't support terrorist groups for their own benefit ?

Afghanistan got occupied because Osama went there and happen to be living inside Afghanistan during 9/11 . Not because Afghans or Afghan govt had anti-west policies . Why don't you come back to Afghanistan and show your rebellious nature infront of those American Soldiers ? . And before that the Russians .

US cannot defeat the Taliban (A group ISI supports ) let alone take on Pakistan .

That's a Tu Quoque Fallacy, "See look everyone else does it". Admitting Pakistan is a terrorist state is in effect admitting that Pakistan is a pariah state, not run by rule of law.

U.S. made Pakistan cower. Taliban are virtually powerless, they have no popular support. All you can do is make Taliban murder a few people like thugs. There's really nothing to defeat, almost all major Taliban leaders have died or been assasinated, and they're internally fractured .

You're bragging about a broken toy. But we have Musharraf on video saying he cowered to U.S. under threat of being bombed. Pussy wimp **** there.

[logical]

here check the links yourself

Valley of Kashmir

The Valley of Kashmir - Sir Walter Roper Lawrence - Google Books

Religion and Nationalism in India:

http://etheses.lse.ac.uk/1443/1/U093328.pdf

The other one can't seem to find online but it's about Kashmir, so doesn't make sense to discuss Hira Mundi but these two say nothing of the sort., I'll have to assume the other one doesn't either since it has nothing to do with Punjab.which suggests it was something "edited in" by a user. LOL

So the claim is right now rather dubious "Tilla Jogian"


Come on at least CHECK the sources. It's not HARD to do.

I copied from wikipedia and they seem to be correct. Sikhs were clearly anti-islam and not victims, they now play victim card to justify. Who's tilla?

I doubt karachi claim to be afghani, he hate them and neither you have any proof. Even if he did then that doesn't mean much and neither prove your claims. Stop making up history scavenger. peace out

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I copied from wikipedia and they seem to be correct. Sikhs were clearly anti-islam and not victims, they now play victim card to justify. Who's tilla?

I doubt karachi claim to be afghani, he hate them and neither you have any proof. Even if he did then that doesn't mean much and neither prove your claims. Stop making up history scavenger. peace out

Obviously you copied from Wikipedia, you forgot to erase the citation numbers except for that part .....oooops lol. So it was easy for me to highlight and google it. you didn't check the sources. What I am saying is Sikhs see themselves as liberators and victims. not the other way around.

My point is that Indic people are known for claiming Pashtun heritage precisely because Pashtuns have a history of spilling their seed while you guys happily cucked them to us. That's why this liberal attitude you have is so ironic. It's like a way to make yourselves feel better for cucking under the guise of calling it "forward thinking". evolution does not reward cucking.

[logical]

Obviously you copied from Wikipedia, you forgot to erase the citation numbers except for that part .....oooops lol. So it was easy for me to highlight and google it. you didn't check the sources. What I am saying is Sikhs see themselves as liberators and victims. not the other way around.

My point is that Indic people are known for claiming Pashtun heritage precisely because Pashtuns have a history of spilling their seed while you guys happily cucked them to us. That's why this liberal attitude you have is so ironic. It's like a way to make yourselves feel better for cucking under the guise of calling it "forward thinking". evolution does not reward cucking.

Only thing I said was that Pakistan urban class should aim to be like Delhi or Mumbai urban class who tend to be progressive and also we are culturally more closer to them. Not every Indian is hindu extremist, many are progressive and liberal people. After that they can aim to be like Turkey urban class in 30-40 years. And in 100 years like western people. atm Pakistan cities are still very conservative and depending on area women are not better of then in some villages. This will obviously change in coming years.

Mughals settled muslims from all over the world in central india including people from current day afghanistan which they ruled. They now will speak indic language. Even if Karachi claimed to be one which I doubt looking at his posts. There are likely some of afghanis left behind. This phenomena of afghanis migrating east didn't stop even in British raj or when Pakistan was made. Even now if allowed they all will migrate to Pakistan and even India. One reason is overpopulation and hardly anything to eat in afghanistan.

That doesn't mean they ruled because it would mean Mughals and afghanis ruled at the same time? Think about that for a moment scavenger. peace out

[Elite Pakhtun]

@logical, just so you know, the Pashtuns were certainly relevant parts of the Mughal empire.

Now, I understand your beef. Some people here are trying to hijack Pashtun heritage, and trying to pawn it off as Afghanistan's exclusive heritage. The borders we see today aren't what they were like in the past. So if someone is trying to make it all seem like Afghanistan's sole achievement, that I say is inaccurate, or rather only partially accurate. Most Pashtuns are in Pakistan, so it's actually more something for Pakistanis (particularly the Pashtuns) to brag about than it is even Afghan's.

@Samandri, feel free to chime in and correct me/add to this.