why Pashtuns hate so much each other?

[Firdousi]

You want to belittle my education if I dont agree with you?
You want to belittle my culture because I dont like your persianness?
You belittle me and pashtun bcz we are tribal?
You judge me by my bad manners? And who asked you to be tribal in Afghanistan?
Ooh and big talk, you 'dont' want to bring me down - i will break than bow down to fantasies of any man.

Come on educated man, this is the talk of internet heroes.

I dont care if you don't like Tajiks, Persian language or whatever. I just want Pashtun tribalism out of Western and Northern Afghanistan. Got it?

[torkham]

Come on stop making claims. i dislike persianness true but i tolerate persians in afghanistan however its only when persians go 'pedrami' or when, in your case start a thread with a derogatory question that riles me. We have lived with all ethnicities until someone breaches honour respect property or rights, then there were problems. In such case a question that addresses inequities would be better for unity and peace to ask and reflect upon.
Peace.

[Firdousi]

Come on stop making claims. i dislike persianness true but i tolerate persians in afghanistan however its only when persians go 'pedrami' or when, in your case start a thread with a derogatory question that riles me. We have lived with all ethnicities until someone breaches honour respect property or rights, then there were problems. In such case a question that addresses inequities would be better for unity and peace to ask and reflect upon.
Peace.

Thank you for "tolerating" us, but we don't need your approval. We are the original native people of this land. If we want to go full "pedrami" we can do it. If we want to go full "jamiati" we can do it. If we want to say "daneshgah" or "farsi" instead of "pohantoon" or "dari" we can do it. Its up to us. Not to you. You can't impose on us your will. buddy.

If you really want unity stop playing the condescending card. No one is going to tolerate Pashtunism anymore. 70th are gone wrora.

If you believe this thread "breaches" your honor, feel free to close it. You are the admin after all.

[DSM0305]

Thank you for "tolerating" us, but we don't need your approval. We are the original native people of this land. If we want to go full "pedrami" we can do it. If we want to go full "jamiati" we can do it. If we want to say "daneshgah" or "farsi" instead of "pohantoon" or "dari" we can do it. Its up to us. Not to you. You can't impose on us your will. buddy.

If you really want unity stop playing the condescending card. No one is going to tolerate Pashtunism anymore. 70th are gone wrora.

If you believe this thread "breaches" your honor, feel free to close it. You are the admin after all.

If you want to go jamiat or whatever, go ahead. If you wanna call it farsi instead of dari, go ahead. As long you don't impose your barbarism and fascism on us civilized people.

By the way, why are farsiwans killing each other, bradar. You people seems to be frustrated people. Despite fascism being the prevalent ideology amongst you. This isn't something I see Pashtun do. This must be due to your barbaric and bakward culture. So why does farsiwans tend to be so hateful?

[Firdousi]

If you want to go jamiat or whatever, go ahead. If you wanna call it farsi instead of dari, go ahead. As long you don't impose your barbarism and fascism on us civilized people.

By the way, why are farsiwans killing each other, bradar. You people seems to be frustrated people. Despite fascism being the prevalent ideology amongst you. This isn't something I see Pashtun do. This must be due to your barbaric and bakward culture. So why does farsiwans tend to be so hateful?

Most of Tajiks don't hate Pashtuns. Most of Tajiks are proud Afghans. Most of Tajik nationalists/fascists (yeah I consider them fascists) are angry at Pashtuns because they consider they have some legit reasons.

At the end of the day Tajik fascism is a reaction to Pashtun fascism. Before civil war there was no Tajik fascism. Tajiks didn't count. Everything was about Pashtun fascism. Now there are plenty of them. They are a minority.. but growing.

Tajiks are not killing each other. Tajiks and their army are in the Pak-Afg border fighting and defending their Pashtun brothers from their own brethren. Those who are killing you on a daily basis are your own brothers. Not Tajiks. You shouldn't hate us. Introspection. Think about it.

[DSM0305]

Most of Tajiks don't hate Pashtuns. Most of Tajiks are proud Afghans. Most of Tajik nationalists/fascists (yeah I consider them fascists) are angry at Pashtuns because they consider they have some legit reasons.

At the end of the day Tajik fascism is a reaction to Pashtun fascism. Before civil war there was no Tajik fascism. Tajiks didn't count. Everything was about Pashtun fascism. Now there are plenty of them. They are a minority.. but growing.

Tajiks are not killing each other. Tajiks and their army are in the Pak-Afg border fighting and defending their Pashtun brothers from their own brethren. Those who are killing you on a daily basis are your own brothers. Not Tajiks. You shouldn't hate us. Introspection. Think about it.

No, Tajik fascism is a process all tajiks goes through their teenage years. Some of them get educated and grows out of it, while the others stays ignorant the rest of their lives.

No, Pashtuns are in the north and west Afghanistan defending their Tajik brothers from their own brethren. The one who are killing you and exploiting you in daily bases.
Now Pashtuns also in the government and preventing your own farsiwan brethren from exploiting you both economically and in their civil rights. Don't worry, we love to help our farsiwan brothers in getting rid of their corrupt leaders. I mean, that what it means to follow Pashtunwali. We are basically obligated to help the weak, its in our culture.

[Firdousi]

No, Tajik fascism is a process all tajiks goes through their teenage years. Some of them get educated and grows out of it, while the others stays ignorant the rest of their lives.

No, Pashtuns are in the north and west Afghanistan defending their Tajik brothers from their own brethren. The one who are killing you and exploiting you in daily bases.
Now Pashtuns also in the government and preventing your own farsiwan brethren from exploiting you both economically and in their civil rights. Don't worry, we love to help our farsiwan brothers in getting rid of their corrupt leaders. I mean, that what it means to follow Pashtunwali. We are basically obligated to help the weak, its in our culture.

Well if this is the game you want to play, I am fine with it. Current status quo benefits us. Thanks for helping us lol

[DSM0305]

Well if this is the game you want to play, I am fine with it. Current status quo benefits us. Thanks for helping us lol

Anything for our Tajik brothers. This is after all in our culture to be helpful toward the weak, lol.

So the current status quo is benefiting you? Is that why you're getting more whiny day by day, lol.

[Firdousi]

Anything for our Tajik brothers. This is after all in our culture to be helpful toward the weak, lol.

So the current status quo is benefiting you? Is that why you're getting more whiny day by day, lol.

Great brother, good for you. But I don't care lol.

Have a nice night.

[DSM0305]

Great brother, good for you. But I don't care lol.

Have a nice night.

Are you already done, darling.

I hoped the new teenage representative of persian fascism could present some arguments.

I was going to make a joke about your sleeping time, but I let it slide

[torkham]

Thank you for "tolerating" us, but we don't need your approval. We are the original native people of this land. If we want to go full "pedrami" we can do it. If we want to go full "jamiati" we can do it. If we want to say "daneshgah" or "farsi" instead of "pohantoon" or "dari" we can do it. Its up to us. Not to you. You can't impose on us your will. buddy.

If you really want unity stop playing the condescending card. No one is going to tolerate Pashtunism anymore. 70th are gone wrora.

If you believe this thread "breaches" your honor, feel free to close it. You are the admin after all.

In any multiethnic group there has to be tolerance otherwise people would break or protest like during the incidents with danishgah/pohantoon wording (that would have been a thread starter to address an issue).

"i dislike persianness true but i tolerate persians in afghanistan however its only when persians go 'pedrami'......."

Now to assume my choice of word 'tolerance' is playing a card; that is the way you choose to see it. We all may as well continue to destroy each other.

Arguments like we can do this and we can do that in your context is intolerance!!

That's why I referred to the expansion of khorasan and its contraction, restored back to within modern day Iran. That's why I referred to the proverb Might is Right, meaning the victorious get their right - it is how invasive creations like humans have exhibited survival.

When you say 'We are the original people of this land' is like saying 'we are god's chosen people', Wro that is the root of this issue really.

I have noting more to say.

FIN

[Firdousi]

In any multiethnic group there has to be tolerance otherwise people would break or protest like during the incidents with danishgah/pohantoon wording (that would have been a thread starter to address an issue).

"i dislike persianness true but i tolerate persians in afghanistan however its only when persians go 'pedrami'......."

Now to assume my choice of word 'tolerance' is playing a card; that is the way you choose to see it. We all may as well continue to destroy each other.

Arguments like we can do this and we can do that in your context is intolerance!!

That's why I referred to the expansion of khorasan and its contraction, restored back to within modern day Iran. That's why I referred to the proverb Might is Right, meaning the victorious get their right - it is how invasive creations like humans have exhibited survival.

When you say 'We are the original people of this land' is like saying 'we are god's chosen people', Wro that is the root of this issue really.

I have noting more to say.

FIN

You didn't say much anyway, brother.

The thing is I do agree with you that we should cooperate and "tolerate" each other in order to bring peace to our country. This thread was a mistake so I would like to apologize. Please, close it.

Thank you.

[Firdousi]

Are you already done, darling.

I hoped the new teenage representative of persian fascism could present some arguments.

I was going to make a joke about your sleeping time, but I let it slide

I got a life, brother. I can't spent too much time here talking with you.

Congratulation for your amazing victory, BTW. I am proud of you.

[khushal]

"I can do whatever I want" and "we are the chosen people" and "pashtuns dying benefits me" are statements of a unempathetic fascist or just simply fascist.

[kanishka]

Few days ago, [MENTION=17954]kanishka[/MENTION] posted a new thread named "Pashtun culture sucks". We see on this and other forums Pashtuns bashing and insulting each other on a regular basis Even in Afghanistan Pashtuns are killing each other (this is not something new. Pashtuns have been killing each other for a long time now). Despite being an extremely nationalist ethnic group (Pashtuns are much more nationalists than Tajiks. Ethnic nationalism is almost inexistent among Tajiks. Modern Tajik nationalism is more an online phenomenon) Pashtuns seems to be extremely violent and frustrated people.

So my question is "why Pashtuns hate so much each other and other ethnicities?" Why all this hatred and frustration? Such anger is not common among non Pashtuns in Afghanistan.. why?

As a Herati I must say I have never heard other Heratis hating so much on other nations or ethnic groups (except Pakistan. Tajiks hate that country more than any other people). There is some sort of "rejection" toward Kabulies because according Herati standards they are too liberal and kinda "luchak". But not real hatred. So why Pashtuns tend to be so hateful?

It was my attempt to explain why 95% of the Pashtuns in Pakistan are "Proud" Pakistani's and don't want anything to do with Pashtunistan.
Teach Pashtuns of Pakistan a thousand times about how they should fight for their identity, and how Pakistani government and militiary is killing Pashtuns but most Pashtuns don't care and are not going to listen. They will cry more about Syria, Palestine and Kashmir than what is happening to Pashtuns.

Why? Because Pashtuns are enemies to eachother. Whenever American soldiers or Pakistani soldiers or even Pashtun soldiers working for Pakistan or Nothern Aliance bomb a school bus full of Pashtun children, another Pashtun will thank that American, Pashtun or Pakistani if those kids belong to an enemy tribe and they are in gratidude as it fullfills their revenge.

Who killed the most Pashtuns in history?
Not Mongols
Not USSR invasion of Afghanistan

Pashtuns killed the most Pashtuns, even the USSR invasion of Afghanistan, the most deaths was caused by Pashtuns killing each-other between Mujahideen, Taliban, Pakistani army , not Russian Soviet Soldiers or American or Punjabi soldiers , but perhaps more so, Pashtuns killed Pashtuns ....
More Pashtuns killed themselves more than any Pashtun has killed Hazaras. Pashtun = a culture of self-hatred. This is what Afghan tells me why Pashtunistan is rubbish for the very fact that Pashtuns themselves don't get along with eachother. For Pashtun people, it's an endless cylce of hatred....

and why so many Pashtuns in Afghanistan are persianized
and why so many Pashtuns in Pakistan are moving on and mixing into the Punjabi and Karachite culture of Pakistan.


so i wondered if this had anything to do with Badal/Blood Feuds and inter-tribal hate between different Pashtuns

Pashtuns hate eachother so much that they will trust Punjabis and Tajiks more than their own kind.... they will only trust themselves if they are like family, relatives or come from the same tribe or clan, otherwise it's always been a feudal time for Pashtuns

Pashtun culture = Culture of Self hatred, wanting to leave and become Pakistani/Indian or Persian....